Hot!Dated

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wanderingjew
Sirloin
2012/05/29 13:52:00
It's been a long, long time since I've griped about something here on Roadfood but this one quirk is driving me up the wall and I'm ready to scream.
 
I'm just sick and tired of so many people on Yelp and Urbanspoon who will slam a restaurant (Food and everything else)  just because  the atmosphere is "dated".
 
I for one, love "dated" restaurants, they present as regionally unique.  Just because a restaurant doesn't look like a place that the Kardashian sisters would go to, doesn't mean that it should be likened to a retirement home.
 
I say chalk it all up to the ongoing media induced "Wallmallification" of America.
 
 
wheregreggeats.com
Filet Mignon
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 13:58:02
I'll go with you on that one.
The good news, is that those making remarks like that are telling you, in just about so many words, that their review is useless.
 
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 15:02:06
Agreed and agreed.
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 15:33:57
I think in depends on what's meant by dated. We have some "duct tape on the seats" places that makes you wonder whether the place sees a broom and mop all that often.
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 15:42:31
Good topic, although I am a little disappointed. I was hoping WJ was going to tell us about his social life!
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 15:46:10
I don't know why, but when I saw the topic, I thought WJ was posting pictures from his little black book
 
Give me Charlie's Pool Room decor any day!  I am doing a lot of work in lovely Downtown Pittston.  Tin ceilings, brick interior walls, etc., priceless!  And if the food is good, who cares anyway.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 15:46:55
buffetbuster

I was hoping WJ was going to tell us about his social life!

Me, too. And I was going to talk about dating lleechef before we married.

kland01s
Filet Mignon
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 16:39:10
We have a place we love to go to and have for 20+ years. To us, it is fine but to someone new, it is definately "dated" (stuffed ducks and turkeys mounted, portraits of champion steers, lotsa plastic flowers). I guess I am kind of happy it turns some people off.....     stay away and leave this place with really good home made food to those of us who love it for the food and friendly service.  
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 16:39:49
I was in a dive bar just this week for the first time since some 50 or so years ago back when I was buying 6-packs out the back door in my underage years - the Workingman's Friend in Indianapolis. I think it looked the same. The coal yard down the street was gone.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 16:46:39
After reading this, I believe I am very much dated.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
wheregreggeats.com
Filet Mignon
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 16:52:08
Dated does not equal Dirty
(This regards the restaurant part of the above discussion.)
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 17:10:54
You're absolutely right. We've got places that are dated, clean and have great food and we've got places dated, dirty and have good food. I've recently had to stop going to one of the latter because of the dirty.
 
wheregreggeats.com

Dated does not equal Dirty
(This regards the restaurant part of the above discussion.)


wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 17:25:21
BB, joerogo and  MH
 
I don't think Roadfood has "the funny papers" section yet, so I can't bring up my social life
 
dated doesn't mean dirty. For example, Hollyhock Hill in Indianapolis,  and Johnny's Cafe in Omaha, among others, all Roadfood classics seem to be the target of the "trendy" yelpers referring them as "retirement homes".
 
This is some of the criteria I weed out- when looking at yelp reviews.
 
ces1948
 
funny you should mention duct tape. Two years ago I visited a great little seafood joint in Norfolk VA called the Willoughby Inn, the fried oysters were fantastic, the place was certainly dated, however the seats definitely needed to be re-upholstered.
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 17:43:07
One of My all-time favorite place was a very dated dive in Arlington, VA:  Whitey's.  Unpadded wood booths, knotty pine walls decorated by (among other things) a buck's head with Christmas lights in his antlers, a smiling picture of Dick Nixon, and a neon sign: "EAT or go to your room!"  Broasted chicken, beer-battered onion rings, cold beer, pinball, darts, country music, and the occasional willing waitress.  Heaven on earth!
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 18:08:46
Sundancer7

After reading this, I believe I am very much dated.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

 
"dated" ? naahhh.....just "pickled" 
pnwchef
Filet Mignon
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 18:57:11
Some of the best food I have ever had has been in out dated, but clean restaurants/cafes/ diners and drive-ins. If I remember right all the waitresses were named Alice and the cook was named Bud..........
starfire62
Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 19:25:36
i'd rather eat at a dated rest than eat at a olive garden or applebees.most of the people on those sites only think that mac and cheese comes in boxes only .
bosco lover
Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/05/29 21:32:30
That roadfood favorite O'steen's is in my town, and certainly dated, but it doesn't make the food any less delicious (maybe more delicious). I have a great affinity for those old lady type places, where you might take your octogenarian mother to for mother's day. The Holiday House in Deland Fl and Claudia Sanders Dinner House in KY being 2 of my favorites
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Dated 2012/05/30 05:51:17
The Night before I got married, 52 years ago, My best man and I, both under age, were in "Sloppy Eds" Bar and Grill eating burgers and drinking beer. 2 Coon Hunters came in with a burlap sack with 4 dead Coons in the bag and dumped them on the floor for everyone to examine, sat down and had a couple beers.
I was back there a few years ago. The place was the same, the burgers and beer were still good but they had cleaned up the coon blood off the floor! That's all that had changed, except Sloppy Ed had passed to that watering hole in the sky. 
post edited by Foodbme - 2012/05/30 05:54:42
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Dated 2012/05/30 07:54:11
Why'd they clean up the blood?
Re:Dated 2012/05/30 10:55:27
agreed with you, Wandering Jew.
I am  not all that old, but find a special feeling in places that do look outdated. I do not care. Can't say some of friends care for it. 
Example: my favourite breakfast place, great food and not pricey, it is old and very outdated. The waiteress are all in their fifties and sixties and have bleached blonde hair, wear jeans and t shirt and call you honey and sweetie. I found those that enjoy food, like the place, but some other friends like Cora's, an expensive and very trendy breakfast eatery. Bleh. Give me personality, age and wear, and good food..and i am a happy girl. 
lynndunham
Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/05/30 22:11:04
kland01s

We have a place we love to go to and have for 20+ years. To us, it is fine but to someone new, it is definately "dated" (stuffed ducks and turkeys mounted, portraits of champion steers, lotsa plastic flowers). I guess I am kind of happy it turns some people off.....     stay away and leave this place with really good home made food to those of us who love it for the food and friendly service.  

kLAND01s, please tell me the name of the restaurant you are talking about. I grew up in Barrington a long, long time ago and it may be one that I remember and would want to come back to!
Lynn
FriedClamFanatic
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/05/30 23:46:31
Well, if it comes down to "dated", I think Boston's Durgin Park wins..............and you'd be hard-pressed to find a better meal anywhere..even if the waitperson in those non-dated places wants to introduce themselves and give you their life history and philosophy..after telling you that ...at 20-something....they've becomne a "sauce-master"
DawnT
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/05/31 06:25:10
The charm that develops over many years, sort of like a patina. The strata of many years accumulation gives a mature quality to many places. How many popular and memorable restaurants decades and generations old have "rennovated" either by new management or an agressive, younger generation wound up losing their loyal customer base and signature tastes? If it ain't broke, you don't fix it. 
carlton pierre
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/05/31 07:35:33
Amen, brother!!  The more dated the better
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Dated 2012/05/31 08:03:20
I obviously agree with everyone, or I wouldn't have started the rant.
 
Like Durgin Park, Katz's Deli in NYC (actually just about all the Deli's in NYC) are about as dated as you can get, but if you can find as good a Pastrami elsewhere (that goes with your "Cosmo") then be my guest.
 
 Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy going to trendy places too, there's quite a few here in Rhode Island (at least THEY think it's trendy) and there's good food there too, but I would never exclude  a "dated" restaurant over a more contemporary/trendy restaurant or deliberately slam one "just because"
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re:Dated 2012/06/01 07:49:13
This got me thinking about some of my very favorite Roadfood restaurants (Stroud's, Bobcat Bite, Hob Nob Hill, Dinner Bell, etc.) and just about every single one could be accused of being dated.  Oh well, those restaurants are great, just the way they are.
 
I'm glad those people think the restaurants are dated.  They are crowded enough without them! 
mr chips
Filet Mignon
Re:Dated 2012/06/01 17:51:22
Classics are always good. We here in portland always seem to be looking for the next hot chef. I personally have enjoyed the increased variety of foods now available because of food carts, treasure the retro virtues of the old school Ringside steakhouse(where sam and trudy took me 4 my birthday dinner)and even love the virtues of the Salt and Straw, a trendy ice cream place (with the lines outside the door so brilliantly satirized in the  Portlandia t.v. show) and with delightfully oddball flavors. A combination of the timeless places and the new and hip is what makes dining in Portland so marvelous.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Dated 2012/06/01 21:24:18
Buffetbuster reports that they're going to tear down the original Lo Lo's Chicken And Waffles in PHX!
http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/tm.aspx?m=699761&high=
We have several courses of Action:
  1. Shoot the Messenger, OR
  2. Organize a large group of RF'ers to stage a sit-in when the Bulldozers and wrecking ball arrives.
  3. Appeal to Mrs. White of Mrs. White's Golden Rule Cafe to intercede with her Grandson, Larry "LoLo" White, to save the Hallowed chicken shack.
  4. Have the place put on the Historical Registry list!
  5. I have a Sneaking Suspicion that Larry, "LoLo" White may have sold the business to some chain. If so, I hope he chokes on a chicken bone!
EDIT: I sent an email to Larry "LoLo' White and he replied - "Yes Sir. We've out grown our lil house. Need mo elbow room. It'll be sweet. You'll see."
post edited by Foodbme - 2012/06/02 04:52:00
Ahi Mpls.
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2012/06/10 23:59:47
  Well Gosh, THIS isn't the topic I thought it would be!
     Interesting though, I am the person that LOVES to go to Yelp, Tripadvisor, etc. reviews and sort them by ratings ( bad first )  to hear about how Dude & his date Had an ABIZMAL  (actual quote)  time at ________.  
       The best ones are the ones where the very nature of the place is what they are yarking about.
    Durgin Park is an excellent example. O'Steens, Pepe's (or Sally's), Rendezvous, Katz', Langer's, The Salt lick,(I hear the chicken ceasar salad is TERRIBLE and you will smell like bbq smoke all DAY!)  
  Or for a real laugh, check out ANY steamed cheeseburger restaurants, The west coast blogger folks go WILD with hatred.
  It's awesome.
    
post edited by AHI MPLS - 2012/06/11 00:00:56
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Dated 2014/07/15 11:32:23
I thought I would bring this back
 
Recently a "one timer" slammed a restaurant on yelp and I called her on it in a PM- her response was "oh you must be old" I responded, if 49 is considered old, then so be it- her response was, "yep, you're old" Funny how to  yelpers I'm "old" yet to the older folks here on the forum (who still think they're middle age, and I think that's cute BTW) at 49,   I'm still a "young pup"!
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Dated 2014/07/15 11:48:17
Whippersnapper is more like it. I train young pups.
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re: Dated 2014/07/15 11:56:27
wanderingjew
It's been a long, long time since I've griped about something here on Roadfood ...

Did I read that correctly? I thought it was in English, but apparently it's some other language.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re: Dated 2014/07/15 12:30:29
JRPfeff
wanderingjew
It's been a long, long time since I've griped about something here on Roadfood ...

Did I read that correctly? I thought it was in English, but apparently it's some other language.



Well, as you can see that comment was made back in 2012. Perhaps  past JRPfeff felt differently, maybe future JRPfeff will have a completely different opinion. Better get back in your Delorean and re think this.
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re: Dated 2014/07/15 12:53:51
I know that's from 2 years ago. I guess the constant drone just makes it seem like it's been forever. ;)
BelleReve
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Dated 2014/07/15 13:23:16
I love those family-owned restaurants and they aren't dated, but what I affectionately call timewarps, where the food and d├ęcor hasn't changed in 40-50 years and they still have older waitresses named "Flo."  Actually, you hear so much about mid-century moderne, now it seems trendy.
 
 
  
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re: Dated 2014/07/15 17:39:48
JRPfeff
I know that's from 2 years ago. I guess the constant drone just makes it seem like it's been forever. ;)



Oh, you mean like the way you b***h slapped hot dogs and mac n cheese in MH's hot dog thread?
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re: Dated 2014/07/16 09:44:20
wanderingjew

I'm just sick and tired of so many people on Yelp and Urbanspoon who will slam a restaurant (Food and everything else)  just because  the atmosphere is "dated".


I say chalk it all up to the ongoing media induced "Wallmallification" of America.





 
I chalk it up to 'the information age' - wherein anyone can publish criticism.
 
Back in the days of media gate-keeping, the aggressively stupid, the stunningly arrogant, the egregiously unreasoned - were restricted to ranting to like-minded fellows in bars, barbershops, or university classrooms.  Presently, they can publish their rants to the world in all manner of written or video forms.
 
So, it should be no surprise that individuals who would arrogate to themselves being expert on cuisine should also consider themselves to be qualified in interior design.  
 
Here is an excellent example of a 'dated' place which I enjoy here in McKinney, TX: http://billsmithscafe.com/index.htm .  It's not the wondrous, late, great Whitey's of Arlington, VA that I rhapsodized about two years ago in post #14 above, but it is every bit as dated - right down to the knotty pine.
 
R.I.P. Whitey's
 

 
post edited by MetroplexJim - 2014/07/16 10:00:49
rumaki
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re: Dated 2014/07/16 10:40:26
MetroplexJim:  I loved Whitey's.  Their broasted chicken was outstanding. Thanks for posting the photo.
 
Although not a bar as such (they did serve beer, but limited each customer to two), the Countryside in Roseville, MN (a St. Paul suburb) also served broasted chicken (on toast!), had a big, faded mural on one wall of some landscape or other (sort of like the one in the old Charcoal House on the north edge of Old Town Alexandria, VA, which you might also remember), and knotty-pine walls with old-fashioned advertising signs on the wall for defunct sodas and so forth.  You could look out the big glass windows at their "garden" (which was really just an expanse of grass and trees) and watch the birds.  It seemed miles from civilization, though it was quite close to Rosedale shopping mall.
 
Lots of online commentators called it "dated."  But we loved it.  Family owned and operated, it closed forever last December, much to my regret. http://theopinionateddiner.com/Countryside_Family_Restaurant_Roseville_MN.html
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/16 15:43:07
If it wasn't for these places, no one would remember what "Good Eats" were.
The Coffee Cup, Pensacola, FL
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g34550-d388583-Reviews-Coffee_Cup_Restaurant-Pensacola_Florida.html#LIGHTBOXVIEW
post edited by Foodbme - 2014/07/16 15:49:48
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re: Dated 2014/07/16 19:46:57
Another 'dated', truly wonderful place that serves Broasted Chicken is the Breezy Heights Tavern in tiny Avella, PA. 
 
Here is a thread on this true Roadfood destination; Buffetbuster contributed several really good photos both of the quirky, 'dated' interior and of the chicken in question.
 
Here's a pic of the 'dated' interior, again, compliments of Buffetbuster:
 

lleechef
Sirloin
Re: Dated 2014/07/16 23:07:58
The Breezy Heights Tavern really doesn't look too "dated".  Henry's looks very dated.  From the outside it looks downright scary!  But who cares?  They have PIE!!
http://roadfood.com/Restaurant/Overview/544/henrys
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 10:25:41
 
lleechef
The Breezy Heights Tavern really doesn't look too "dated".  Henry's looks very dated.  From the outside it looks downright scary!  But who cares?  They have PIE!!
http://roadfood.com/Restaurant/Overview/544/henrys


On your and Michaels next foray to Eastern OH or Western PA you should really stop at The Breezy Heights in Avella, PA - which is just on the PA side of the state line.  Here's another of Cliff's pics to whet your (whatever; guns were used).
 

 
As for 'datedness', this display has been there for more than just a little while; it's hardly 21st. Century 'politically correct'!.
post edited by MetroplexJim - 2014/07/17 10:26:52
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 10:33:38
MJ-
I would like to make a correction.  That photo is actually from Michael Hoffman's living room!
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 10:49:39
buffetbuster
MJ-
I would like to make a correction.  That photo is actually from Michael Hoffman's living room!


But it's an old picture. I donated all those to the Columbus Natural History Museum.
lleechef
Sirloin
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 11:05:01
Yeah, I finally had to put my foot down and made him get rid of all the critters.  Too many fleas.
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 11:21:44
Did you try putting a flea collar on MH?
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 12:35:43
Thanks a lot for giving her the idea.
lleechef
Sirloin
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 12:43:18
JRPfeff
Did you try putting a flea collar on MH?

He was de-flead and de-wormed when I met him.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 19:55:56
lleechef
JRPfeff
Did you try putting a flea collar on MH?

He was de-flead and de-wormed when I met him.

Good thing you got a pre-nup!
Davydd
Sirloin
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 22:11:55
Would it be dated if a restaurant was using the bar from the 1893 Chicago World's Fair?
 

 
Or if they had you dine in this private booth? 
 

 
This is the Rockwell Inn in Morris, IL. The lobby was selling Norman Rockwell painting reproductions as well.
lleechef
Sirloin
Re: Dated 2014/07/17 22:57:14
I wouldn't call that dated.  It's historic and charming!
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/18 04:10:49
The Stockyards Restaurant in Phoenix is Arizona's Original Steakhouse. In business for 67 years.
The bar dates back to the late 1800's.
Go into the bar and you feel like you've gone back in time 100 years.
http://www.stockyardssteakhouse.com/history.html
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/18 12:11:06
Dated. I took a date to the '93 Chicago World's Fair.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/18 14:50:31
Michael Hoffman
Dated. I took a date to the '93 Chicago World's Fair.

They had a Fair in 1893????????? 
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re: Dated 2014/07/18 15:54:48
Foodbme
Michael Hoffman
Dated. I took a date to the '93 Chicago World's Fair.

They had a Fair in 1893????????? 


They sure did. And they had this huge Ferris wheel, and lots of other good stuff. I remember, too, taking a date to the 1933 one in Chicago. My date liked it so much she became a performer. You may have heard of her. She was a fan dancer. Sally Rand.
 
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Dated 2014/07/20 23:07:51
I recall the first time I took my Mom and Janet with me into Louie Mueller's BBQ in Taylor, TX. (1989)
I wanted to show them the Business card I had posted with the hundreds of others on the bulletin Board on the wall of the "eating room". The place was smoke-stained and dinghy and had creaking wood floors. The skylights were all blackened over from years of smoke-stains.  To say the place was "dated" was a city-term that meant nothing...IT was a Testimony to the the authenic History of BBQ, Texas Style, and despite the recent Pit-fire in the same room and the addition of other rooms for eating...the Ambience remains solid for those who demand the finest in original soot-tracking. I am pleased to report that even with the loss of the 1989 card, at last report my 1994 and 2004 cards remained attached to the board. I hope to get a 2014 added before the end of this year to keep up the tradition.... but am saddened that my friend Bushie will not be present to join the festivities.
post edited by mayor al - 2014/07/21 12:05:47
Davebassman
Cheeseburger
Re: Dated 2014/07/21 10:56:41
MetroplexJim
Here is an excellent example of a 'dated' place which I enjoy here in McKinney, TX: http://billsmithscafe.com/index.htm .  It's not the wondrous, late, great Whitey's of Arlington, VA that I rhapsodized about two years ago in post #14 above,
 



Jim, your mention of Whitey's in Arlington reminded me of how much I miss that place, a great neighborhood bar with good food, cold beer and live music! My favorite meal at Whitey's was their "Beer-Steak Sandwich", a strip of steak that had been marinating in beer for who knows how long grilled and served on a sub roll with fried onions and melted provolone.
It also reminds me of another "dated" restaurant/bar, JV Restaurant in Falls Church. http://www.jvsrestaurant.com/home.html
A small (narrow) old-fashioned "beer joint" that serves pretty good food and has live music 7 nights a week. Coincidentally, as their web site indicates, they are enlarging and renovating the joint.