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broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 06/24/12 5:49 PM
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can't grill outside. raining way to hard.
how would you cook 1 1/8" Ribeyes?
oven broiler?
or
pan on stove top & finish in oven?

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 06/24/12 6:11 PM
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cast iron fry pan ... get it nuclear hot ... put safflower (or other hig temp oil) on the steaks themselves .... stand by with paper towels to mop up the juices that might stray from the meat and start smoking (assuming you have a normal, inefficient, fan) eliminate as much smoke as possible.
(OR) fill the bottom of the pan with oil (at least a quarter inch) and drop the steaks in and essentially french fry the steaks.
i understand that waiting for the rain to end is pointless :)
 

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 06/24/12 6:26 PM
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I like the Broiler if you have a grill pan or, better yet, a two burner grill plate.   Put it in the oven and pre-heat to sizzle hot.  Then put the steaks on. Turned the steaks when your ready. Me, that's about 3 1/2 to 4 minutes for 1 1/8th  thickness.    ... With the hot grill plate, both side will cook at the same time.
 
My electric oven did a great job this way.   However, a sizzling hot cast iron fry pan on the stove top will work too, just takes a little longer.
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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 06/24/12 8:02 PM
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thanks for both suggestions.
cooked them on the stovetop in a cat iron pan.got the pan hot but not nuclear. med-hi heat.
salt & pepper both sides, & olive oil both sides.
put the one I wanted med. rare in first. when I turned that the first time I put on the rare one.
turned them both a few times & got a nice crust maybe 8-9 mins. let  them rest & they come out great.
smokey but not bad. opened the doors & put on a big fan.
DAMN, FORGOT TO TAKE PICTURES!!!!!!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 06/24/12 11:39 PM
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Generally use a cast iron pan, similar method, great results

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Mon, 06/25/12 2:59 PM
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We use the cast iron skillet technique for all our home-done steaks now. A real time-saver (compared to the charcoal grill), and those 2 lb Porterhouses react well to the olive oil/bacon drippings used to lubricate the pan. The hardest part is letting them rest a bit after the pan-fry, before chowing down.  We like to roll our baked potatoes in the pan-drippings and crisp-up the skins a bit while the steaks are resting.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Mon, 06/25/12 5:02 PM
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Good idea about the potatoes

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Mon, 06/25/12 8:16 PM
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I'll pre-heat my oven to 550 degrees. Then, get my heavy cast iron pan smokin hot. I like to use a little grapeseed oil in the pan and when the oven has reached temp, I put my seasoned 1-1/2" thick strips or rib-eyes (I like the extra thick PRIME steaks at Costco) in the hot cast iron pan and flip often to get a great crust (forget about that flipping only once crap!). Just 30-45 seconds a side. I'll also spoon the hot oil on the top of the meat after turning them. Then, into the hot oven to finish for a max of maybe two-three minutes. Take out and let rest 12 minutes on a plate. Not in the pan! It's too hot and it will continue cooking the steaks.
They come out medium rare great every time. The secret? Really thick quality steaks! And, turning often in the hot cast iron pan to get that wonderful crust.
Of course in my house, I have to remove the battery in the smoke detecter in my kitchen!
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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Tue, 06/26/12 7:14 AM
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My broiler is awful, so I have been forced to fry when I can't grill. I used to hate my mom's fried steaks (hated her broiled steaks too...her broiler sucked too).  I put oil and butter in a hot cast iron skillet and cook it 5 minutes a side and let it rest, covered in foil on a plate. If the steak if thicker I'll finish it in the oven for a few minutes. I like my steaks with a good sear on both sides and rare to medium rare inside.
 
Prior to cooking, I put it out rubbed with Penzey's garlic salt and fresh ground pepper to come up to room temp.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Tue, 06/26/12 7:45 AM
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I have use the stove top sizzle to sear the outside of the steak and the oven grill plate at medium high (350 to 400) to finish.   But, I tend to over cook the steak (medium) this way to my liking.    To me 'oven finishing' at lower temps after searing is better suited for medium to well done steaks.    ... Where 'oven broiling' is done at searing temperatures.
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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Tue, 06/26/12 5:31 PM
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Just a question for the cast iron pan users. Do you think I could use a cast iron pan on the grill? We have a Weber 3 burner that is 36k total. A possible problem I see is not being able to concentrate enough heat to the bottom of the pan because of the shape of the grill burners. What do you think?

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Tue, 06/26/12 5:46 PM
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ces1948


Just a question for the cast iron pan users. Do you think I could use a cast iron pan on the grill? We have a Weber 3 burner that is 36k total. A possible problem I see is not being able to concentrate enough heat to the bottom of the pan because of the shape of the grill burners. What do you think?

I always do...the best way to cook a steak!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Tue, 06/26/12 6:45 PM
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I had the same challenge yesterday ... I went to the butcher and got a superb 2-inch New York strip ($13) ... all fat cut away.
 
I fired up my standard ol' JC Penney pancake griddle and browned some potato slices, grilled come onions and roasted up some green beans.
 
I slathered meant with oil of safflower ... torqued up the heat to about 400 ... put the steak down with some weight on top ... about 7 minutes per side ... perfect (and almost zero smoke) !!!
 
I ate the whole thing in one sitting.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Tue, 06/26/12 6:55 PM
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YUM!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Fri, 07/27/12 7:32 AM
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I used to do the broiler and didn't consider the stove top.  Now I amjust the opposite.  Cast iron skillet, on the grill, but not the broiler.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Fri, 07/27/12 10:52 AM
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I have to watch the smoke or every detector in my apartment will go off.
I don't have a cast iron pan, so I use a heavy anodized aluminum pan with metal handles, get it really hot, oil and s&p on the steak, sear it well, then move the pan under the broiler for a couple minutes per side. I usually can't wait any longer than 5 minutes for it to rest.
I do London Broil this way and always get a perfect medium rare.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Fri, 07/27/12 12:47 PM
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I love the broiler for certain fish but not for steaks or chops.  Usually we (no, Michael does all the work) do them outside with charcoal.  In lieu of that I would definitely opt for my cast iron pan.  Made some fried green tomatoes in the cast iron, they were pretty good!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Fri, 07/27/12 12:49 PM
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keep smoke down (A) by only putting oil on  the steak and put it down, using a paper towel to wipe up any juices (ie potential smoke) or, (B) make sure the bottom of the pan is totally covered in oil.
The smoke seems to come when juices get burned up in the very hot pan.
 

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Fri, 07/27/12 2:43 PM
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Wait a minute!!  RAIN???  What the heck is that???? Haven't seen any in these parts for a long time.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Fri, 07/27/12 3:38 PM
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Not indoors but still good info:
http://www.bbqsuccess.com/best-steak-recipe/

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Fri, 07/27/12 7:10 PM
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Want Grillmarks on your Indoor Steak?
Try a Grill Pan; And it's Cast Iron!
http://www.williams-sonom...taub-grill-pan/?pkey=e|
http://www.lodgemfg.com/logic-grillpans.asp
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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Fri, 07/27/12 7:18 PM
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Its raining here right now!!!!But not enough for my wheat like front lawn......
 

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 12:13 PM
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mayor al


We use the cast iron skillet technique for all our home-done steaks now. A real time-saver (compared to the charcoal grill), and those 2 lb Porterhouses react well to the olive oil/bacon drippings used to lubricate the pan. The hardest part is letting them rest a bit after the pan-fry, before chowing down.  We like to roll our baked potatoes in the pan-drippings and crisp-up the skins a bit while the steaks are resting.

Al, try this, slice baked potato, remove as much as possible, keep in a pile in he pan, spread the skins open all the way, place potato side down on the pan, butter the potato side first, add some granulated garlic first, if you like, crisp them up while waiting for the steaks to rest. See if you like!


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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 3:11 PM
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Michael just came home with two gigantic NY strips.  Those beauties are going out on the grill!!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 3:43 PM
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A pair of Prime steaks, so I'm leaving the grilling of them up to the better cook. I'll just start the coals for her.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 5:10 PM
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Michael Hoffman


A pair of Prime steaks, so I'm leaving the grilling of them up to the better cook. I'll just start the coals for her.

Make sure you squirt additional lighter fluid on while the steaks are cooking, gives it that SPECIAL flavor!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 5:42 PM
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Oh, I don't use lighter fluid. I'm a high-test gasoline guy.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 6:03 PM
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OH ... instant char ...  would that be  Shell or Exxon flavor???

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 6:07 PM
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I get mine from an independent operator. I used to use diesel but it got too expensive. I even tried that Match Light stuff, but it didn't add enough flavor.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 9:14 PM
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I use Gas too!---Propane!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 9:26 PM
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I hope someday I'll be able to have a propane grill again. I've been afraid of them since mine caught fire a number of years ago and almost blew my house off the face of the Earth.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 07/28/12 10:55 PM
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Gonna let you guy's in on a little secret. This will be the best steak you have ever had. Please don't tell anyone. LOL
 
http://www.tinyurbankitchen.com/2009/09/oven-to-pan-seared-prime-ribeye-steaks.html

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 07/29/12 1:14 PM
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Re: Steaks. I haven't tried it yet, but my mother swears by a technique taught to her by a steakhouse chef; cooking the steak on a pre-heated cast iron griddle inside the oven. I could get the details from her; I go by a variation on Alton Brown's advice, and use my (gas) oven's own broiling pan. I just line it with heavy duty aluminum foil, because, from what I have seen of Alton Brown, there is no evidence that he ever washed a dish, pot, pan or utensil in his life.
 
Re: Starting a charcoal grill. OK, I also have to give some credit to Alton Brown. For years, I used a chimney starter (in the days of 2 pound cans of coffee, you could make an excellent chimney starter by taking one with the top and bottom removed, and make holes along the bottom side with a "church key" can opener; a few years back I got a Weber chimney starter for a couple of bucks in a close-out sale). In any case, Brown's hint made the chimney starter even more efficient: spray some vegetable oil on the newspaper on the bottom first (you don't have to buy commercial products or even expensive mist oil sprayers; just get a cheap pump spray bottle, put in the oil, and toss when it's empty).
 
Bart

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 07/29/12 6:03 PM
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mrclean


Gonna let you guy's in on a little secret. This will be the best steak you have ever had. Please don't tell anyone. LOL

http://www.tinyurbankitchen.com/2009/09/oven-to-pan-seared-prime-ribeye-steaks.html


Them's good lookin' Steaks! Worth a try!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Mon, 07/30/12 10:09 AM
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As it has a "sear" setting, the Cuisinart Griddler produces a wonderful indoor result:  http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11600425&search=cuisinart&Mo=5&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=5000043&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=cuisinart&Ntt=cuisinart&No=2&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1 
 
Costco always has them in-store and with a recent coupon sold them for $59.00.  Sam's carries them in-store & online as well.  They are also available at Kohl's, Macy's, BB&B, etc. for prices up to the full list of $149.00. 
 
Beyond steaks, it makes great burgers, grilled cheese, panini, etc.  Clean-up is quick and easy and grilling is pretty much smoke-free. 
 
Also, use CharCrust "Original Hickory" rub:  www.charcrust.com .  Wal-Mart, as well as several other grocers, carries it here in Dallas.  Great stuff!
 
(BTW:  the Cuisinart Griddler once advertised on Roadfood; support our advertisers!).
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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Mon, 07/30/12 10:21 AM
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I keep wanting to buy one of those Griddler things, but lleechef keeps pointing out that we have no room for one and we have no need for one. Unfortunately, she's right on both counts. But I still want one.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Tue, 07/31/12 5:09 AM
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Michael Hoffman

I keep wanting to buy one of those Griddler things, but lleechef keeps pointing out that we have no room for one and we have no need for one. Unfortunately, she's right on both counts. But I still want one.

You shoulda put that in the Pre-Nup's!!!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Tue, 07/31/12 9:42 AM
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Michael Hoffman


I keep wanting to buy one of those Griddler things, but lleechef keeps pointing out that we have no room for one and we have no need for one. Unfortunately, she's right on both counts. But I still want one.


She may be right on the "room" issue, but she is dead wrong about "need".

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Thu, 08/2/12 8:21 AM
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wheregreggeats.com


cast iron fry pan ... get it nuclear hot ... put safflower (or other hig temp oil) on the steaks themselves .... stand by with paper towels to mop up the juices that might stray from the meat and start smoking (assuming you have a normal, inefficient, fan) eliminate as much smoke as possible.


 
This is the method I use also 1 1/2 minute side one flip 1 1/2 minute flip 1 minute flip 1 minute on last side cover with foil for 5 or more minutes. This will give medium rare. Pull the batteries out of the smoke alarm if your fan isn't powerful enough.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Thu, 08/2/12 9:01 AM
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I use a cast iron grill pan, but go out on the porch with my butane stove.  Great for a rainy or snowy day.  Or if you are cooking a couple burgers and don't feel like lighting the grill.  And no smoke in the house!
 
http://www.restockit.com/...ci_sku=FHCF200&kw={keyword}&adtype=pla
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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Thu, 08/2/12 9:11 AM
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joerogo


I use a cast iron grill pan, but go out on the porch with my butane stove.  Great for a rainy or snowy day.  Or if you are cooking a couple burgers and don't feel like lighting the grill.  And no smoke in the house!

http://www.restockit.com/...ci_sku=FHCF200&kw={keyword}&adtype=pla

 I have one of those also and they work great. Oriental grocery stores carry them also.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 08/4/12 8:19 AM
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ces1948


Just a question for the cast iron pan users. Do you think I could use a cast iron pan on the grill? We have a Weber 3 burner that is 36k total. A possible problem I see is not being able to concentrate enough heat to the bottom of the pan because of the shape of the grill burners. What do you think?

 
not a problem. the beauty of cast iron is that it conducts heat so well, that even if most of the heat is on one side of the pan, the pan will conduct that heat evenly across the entire cooking surface. you can even set a cast iron pan directly on a campfire with no grate and get excellent results with it.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 08/4/12 9:03 AM
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Some folks mentioned using charcoal starter; try this instead:
(One Sunday NY Times will start two years worth of charcoal!)
 


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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 08/4/12 10:45 AM
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One thing that I learned the hard way about cast iron pans on the stove-top: preheat on medium, cook on low.. If you put the flame on high, many cast iron pans can end up cracking, and if you cook on anything above low, unless you have one heck of an exhaust system, you will have smoke all over the place.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 08/4/12 11:09 AM
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bartl


One thing that I learned the hard way about cast iron pans on the stove-top: preheat on medium, cook on low.. If you put the flame on high, many cast iron pans can end up cracking, and if you cook on anything above low, unless you have one heck of an exhaust system, you will have smoke all over the place.


Which is exactly why I use a Cuisinart Griddler after rubbing the steaks with CharCrust Original Hickory!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sat, 08/4/12 6:12 PM
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Tampico

joerogo

I use a cast iron grill pan, but go out on the porch with my butane stove.  Great for a rainy or snowy day.  Or if you are cooking a couple burgers and don't feel like lighting the grill.  And no smoke in the house!
http://www.restockit.com/...ci_sku=FHCF200&kw={keyword}&adtype=pla

I have one of those also and they work great. Oriental grocery stores carry them also.

A Coleman Camp Stove with a cast iron skillet works good too!

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 08/5/12 10:49 AM
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bartl


One thing that I learned the hard way about cast iron pans on the stove-top: preheat on medium, cook on low.. If you put the flame on high, many cast iron pans can end up cracking, and if you cook on anything above low, unless you have one heck of an exhaust system, you will have smoke all over the place.


Which is exactly why I use a Cuisinart Griddler after rubbing the steaks with CharCrust Original Hickory!

 
The George Foreman never got hot enough for me. Does the Griddler so a better job?

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 08/5/12 1:05 PM
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Tampico

joerogo

I use a cast iron grill pan, but go out on the porch with my butane stove.  Great for a rainy or snowy day.  Or if you are cooking a couple burgers and don't feel like lighting the grill.  And no smoke in the house!
http://www.restockit.com/...ci_sku=FHCF200&kw={keyword}&adtype=pla

I have one of those also and they work great. Oriental grocery stores carry them also.

A Coleman Camp Stove with a cast iron skillet works good too!

 
Yep, gotta have an open flame.  I bought an electric one first.  Not hot enough and can't hold a proper temp.

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Re:broiler or stove top for steaks - Sun, 08/5/12 3:59 PM
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Tampico


MetroplexJim


bartl


One thing that I learned the hard way about cast iron pans on the stove-top: preheat on medium, cook on low.. If you put the flame on high, many cast iron pans can end up cracking, and if you cook on anything above low, unless you have one heck of an exhaust system, you will have smoke all over the place.


Which is exactly why I use a Cuisinart Griddler after rubbing the steaks with CharCrust Original Hickory!


The George Foreman never got hot enough for me. Does the Griddler so a better job?
 

Yes! 
 
Because of the "sear" setting, it does.  And, it will do up to a 2.5" steak.  The grill plates are easily removed for cleaning and clean up quite easily.  Even though it "looks good" on the counter, it is realtively light and compact for easy storage.  It will be the best $60 bucks you ever spent for anything that goes into the kitchen.
 
Prior, I had a Foreman Grill and had the same problem with it.  That was twelve years ago, so in fairness to the Foreman Grill the new ones probably have addressed this issue.  I've had my Cuisinart for six years now and it still looks - and performs - as new.
 
A little off this topic, I recently watched a CNBC "special" on COSTCO and now having "seen inside" a bit, I appreciate them more than ever:  especially the care they take to insure the quality of the limited number of items they stock.  The fact that both Sam's and COSTCO always stock this model speaks volumes for it.