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djdawg
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Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 2:28 AM
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I should've started this long ago....I thought a thread for one off, quickly answered questions might be helpful.  I'll go first.
 
After opening up a can of chili, how quickly should it be used?  I'm not talking about heating it and saving it...I'm talking you open a can then put it in a container and straight into the refrigerator.  If it's kept below 41 is it ok to use 7 days later or so?

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 8:00 AM
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A good food sealer will put your mind at ease...save you money in loss...and stop your chili from picking up other smells from the fridge.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 8:45 AM
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djdawg


I should've started this long ago....I thought a thread for one off, quickly answered questions might be helpful.  I'll go first.

After opening up a can of chili, how quickly should it be used?  I'm not talking about heating it and saving it...I'm talking you open a can then put it in a container and straight into the refrigerator.  If it's kept below 41 is it ok to use 7 days later or so?
If it was opened and then put into the refrigerator for 7 days; ... why open the can until it is needed?   ... it's probably (maybe; are you 100% sure it is?) good, but I wouldn't want to eat it. 
 
I think the bigger problem comes from heating, chilling and then reheating for several days.    ... Is a $1 can of chilli worth the chance of making a customer or family sick?
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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 8:49 AM
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Break it down...break it down if you have a vat of a can. Package it like you're in business...because you are in business. You have to get away from the "is this still good?" stuff and package so you can answer that question with a 100% yes.
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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 9:17 AM
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When my wife wants chilli dogs at home, we only use may be 2 or 3 Tb from a can.   The rest is divided into 3 small plastic freezer cups and frozen.   A small cup is thawed and reheated as needed.    ... The chilli does not sit in the frig, even for 24 hrs.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 10:21 AM
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Thanks guys!  I was trying to be super prepped for Monday...first day.  Didn't really want to open a can up on site.  I opened it last night so I guess it's only 5 days but I guess I'll eat it up with some friends tomorrow night.  And it's a #10 can so it's $10....ha ha. 

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 10:39 AM
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My stupid questions are why would you open a can five days before you need it and why don't you want to open a can on site?

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 10:57 AM
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djdawg


Thanks guys!  I was trying to be super prepped for Monday...first day.  Didn't really want to open a can up on site.  I opened it last night so I guess it's only 5 days but I guess I'll eat it up with some friends tomorrow night.  And it's a #10 can so it's $10....ha ha. 

 
i think I would open a #10 early in the morning, divide it into zip lock bags and freeze what isn't needed.   How much chilli is used on a HD and how many of those do you expect to sell in a day?   One or two 14 - 15 oz cans as a backup would be good.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 11:04 AM
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You now have to think in reverse...like a hot dog vendor...hunter...canner etc. It's no more think after...that party is over. Gotta get into the mindset like everyone can see exactly how you package things...before they order and stick to that process every time you break it all down.

No looking at the milk like hmmmm I want Cocoa Puffs... and it's raining.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 11:16 AM
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Humm ... may you will use a #10 can in a day.
A #10 is 13 cups. Assuming 2 Tb spoons per HD, that is 104 chilli dogs.  (16 Tbs = 1 cup)  ... ...

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 11:23 AM
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There will be a test at the end of the semester. Two #2 pencils...sharpened.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 12:33 PM
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Even though if someone asks - I will certainly tell them what I use...but it doesn't mean I need to open up a can on site and dump it into my steam pan....it's all about perception, right? 
 
1 - # 10 can has 108 ounces...I'm guessing probably 2 oz per dog...I'll check it out tomorrow....54 servings per can.  I'll def have 1-2 backup.   

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 1:48 PM
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1 TBl spoon should be 1/2 oz.    A #10 can should be 3 gts of product.       ... A problem is the 'can' standard was abandoned 1920's/30's.    What some may can a #10 can isn't.    ... I think some cans are sold by weight, with 108 or 109 oz labeled as being a #10 can instead of a full 3 gts.   Looking at the Chef-mate #10 can of chilli (108 oz), I can't see the volume.
 
I think we've had a discussion on the forum of # of chilli dogs from a #10 can before, with the answer ranging from abt 70 to 120 HDs. (my recollection)
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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 2:02 PM
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I found the volume info on Nestle website.   Chef-mate #10 has 48 (1/4 cup)servings; ... 12 cups or 3 qts
 
I think you will find 2 tbl spoons is plenty on a HD.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 4:22 PM
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I use a 1/2 oz ladle for my chili, works perfect. Unless you're doing a big volume event, stick with the 15 oz. cans.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 4:28 PM
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Don't forget, the more toppings (like relish, shredded cheese, onions) the LESS Chili sauce you can put on the dog & it still be edible.  You don't want a messy dog.
 
 And don't store the chili in the same can after it's been opened, put the chili in ziplock bags. We only used the 15 (or so) oz cans.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 4:33 PM
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If you don't want yer customers seeing you dump Hormel in your pan, open a few and  dump them in baggies. If you have a cast iron pan on your grill, you can heat up some jalapenos, onions, garlic and whatever and dump them in there to "freshen up" the flavor. A touch of Worscester, brown sugar and hot sauce helps.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/6/12 8:02 PM
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I have a lot of people refusing sauce because they are worried about dribbling on their clothes while in a car or standing up. You're probably not going to get rich right away selling coneys so #10 should last you the whole week. Split it into portions and freeze it to be sure about safety.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Sun, 09/9/12 3:45 PM
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Thanks everyone...all great advice. Grand opening is tomorrow! So excited and nervous. Checking and double checking everything. I like the baggie suggestion for the chili...I'm actually using Stagg beanless chili. I like it...I'll take lots if pics for opening day tomorrow.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Sun, 09/9/12 4:56 PM
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ah so you are going stagg?
I like hormel myself.
 

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Re:Stupid question thread - Sun, 09/9/12 5:44 PM
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Good luck to you, djdawg!

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Re:Stupid question thread - Sun, 09/9/12 5:49 PM
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Break a dog...DJ!

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Re:Stupid question thread - Sun, 09/9/12 7:03 PM
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We will all be waiting on your report, good or bad.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Sun, 09/9/12 9:29 PM
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Chill-out, Go to bed. Don't commit suicide when you don't sell as many dogs as you expected. Heck, it could take a week or two to get rich!

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Re:Stupid question thread - Sun, 09/9/12 11:56 PM
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yeah a week or two.
maybe three.
 

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Re:Stupid question thread - Mon, 09/10/12 10:21 AM
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So I was doing some last minute trial runs last night and am still not happy with my pan set up. I have a full spillage pan on the far right... and in it two half perforated pans. the perforated pan on the left has the dogs in it, the 1 on the right will have the buns in it... I thought it would be better to put the buns in that one because it's farthest from the heat. so that leaves the far left burner... I have a quarter pan that is doubled up like a double boiler and chili is in that 1. in the space that's left over I have a 1/3 pan and a 1/9 pan. I also have the 1/9 pan as a double boiler and will use it to re heat grilled onions. What I'm not liking is in the middle where the 3 pans meet they are discoloring from the heat... it doesn't seem to matter what level the heat is at... it looks like they are burning and it's only at the corners. but I have water or food in all 3 of them...I was thinking about getting rid of the 2 smaller pans and just having 2 1/4 pans...one for chili, the other an empty pan to reheat grilled onions and heat up kraut if they want that....of course it would need to also be a double boiler it my pan is going to burn up...any suggestions?

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Re:Stupid question thread - Mon, 09/10/12 12:14 PM
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you have something wrong. I think it's the burners air/fuel mix. they are not suppost to burn the pans. what size gas lines do you have? are any of the kinked?

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Re:Stupid question thread - Wed, 09/12/12 12:31 AM
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So where is our first day report? Hope his head didn't explode from being so nervous.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Wed, 09/12/12 12:44 AM
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djdawg


I should've started this long ago....I thought a thread for one off, quickly answered questions might be helpful.  I'll go first.

After opening up a can of chili, how quickly should it be used?  I'm not talking about heating it and saving it...I'm talking you open a can then put it in a container and straight into the refrigerator.  If it's kept below 41 is it ok to use 7 days later or so?

 
No it is not, according to my HD. I suggest you ask questions like this specific to your HD. In NC we have adopted the FDA Food Code your state may be different. http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/RetailFoodProtection/FoodCode/default.htm
 
If it is anything "Potentially Hazardous" I freeze if not used in two days or throw it out.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentially_Hazardous_Food
 
That is the only thing I dont like about this forum is sometimes for new people they could get in trouble if they go by the answeres given here if they take it as gospel and dont check with their local HD. Even then your local HD could and can be wrong with the answer they give. Sometimes you have to call a the state level or have them show you the answer in writing in one of their rules books.
 
What is acceptable in one sate may not be in yours. That is why I think people should give a discalimer in threads like this for you to check your local HD for the correct answer.


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Re:Stupid question thread - Wed, 09/12/12 5:55 AM
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I think DJ got the benefit of the doubt as a member for almost a year...this far into the process...asking a question right before opening and maybe a little nervous about it. As opposed to someone showing up asking that question and getting the canned response from the forum.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Wed, 09/12/12 8:06 AM
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I don't think it's a problem to only "THIS" forum.  Besides if it's on the internet IT'S GOT TO BE TRUE!

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Re:Stupid question thread - Wed, 09/12/12 8:29 AM
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I think the big crisis on the stupid question thread was averted when DJ decided to feed it to his friends...the next day.

***The stupid question thread should not be taken as gospel. Check with your HD before reading the stupid question thread.***

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/13/12 2:45 AM
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Go to a ServSafe course and get certified...

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 09/13/12 3:43 AM
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geez, most of them are already certifiable now.
 

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 09/18/12 10:15 PM
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my stupid question:
 
How do you guys package your dogs? do you wrap them, styro ect

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 09/18/12 10:48 PM
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quad104

my stupid question:

How do you guys package your dogs? do you wrap them, styro ect

I am going to use foil sheets and put them in a paper bag.
 

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 09/18/12 11:30 PM
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Only problem with bags is the customer instinctively carries from the open end, so if the dog is vertical all of the condiments slough to one end of the dog. So either tell the customer to carry on it's side to prevent a mess, or find a bag the opens the long way.
 
I am doing foil in a hot dog paper tray. I only bag if they order more than one.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 09/18/12 11:39 PM
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For what its worth...I've only been doing this for over a week but I decided long ago that I would simply dress their dog in a 12" x 12" wax paper sheet and hand it to them...no one has complained.  It's worked well..

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Re:Stupid question thread - Wed, 09/19/12 1:09 AM
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another question, how are your condiments kept? are you using iced trays?
 
if so, any particular brands?

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/13/12 2:41 AM
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How on earth are you guys keeping your white coolers clean?  I'm talking the outside....and especially the top.  I've tried a bleach mixture, soft scrub, etc and nothing seems to work....it's not dirt per say....it's just not white.  I'm a stickler for cleanliness and it's bugging me.....

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/13/12 7:25 AM
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djdawg


How on earth are you guys keeping your white coolers clean?  I'm talking the outside....and especially the top.  I've tried a bleach mixture, soft scrub, etc and nothing seems to work....it's not dirt per say....it's just not white.  I'm a stickler for cleanliness and it's bugging me.....

 
Greased Lightning and a stiff scrub brush works for me. I even use a stainless steel wire brush if needed. You have to stay on top of it every few days and it stays nice and clean.


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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/13/12 10:42 AM
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Thanks RJT...never heard of Greased Lightening...I'll try and find it. I'm glad I'm not the only one that experiences this...

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/13/12 11:47 AM
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If you have S O S pads down there try them.
Best I have found for cleaning plastic of all kinds.
They will make an old white lawn chair look new.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/13/12 12:19 PM

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/20/12 12:03 PM
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hi guys, i'm new here and thankful I found this forum,
 
..now for the stupid question,
 
i'm planning to build my own hotdog cart this year and i'm trying to source each part off the internet, if you know where to get these things, please help.. 
 
1. axle with suspension, (or what does it called)
 
next question:
 
2. how do you set up the burner? can somebody please upload pictures of the burner setup,
 
hoping to contribute with you guys in the coming days,
 
thanks in advance =)

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/20/12 5:14 PM
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Most people build their cart on a Harbor Freight Tools trailer.
 
http://www.harborfreight.com/870-lb-capacity-40-inch-x-49-inch-heavy-duty-utility-trailer-with-8-inch-wheels-and-tires-42708.html
 
All parts including burners, fuel rail, etc can be found here.
 
http://store.benscarts.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1817
 
 
Hope this helps!! Good luck!!!

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/20/12 5:28 PM
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http://allamericanhotdog.com/parts/2burner_large.jpg
 
http://www.silverstarmetal.com/gallery/gc100.asp
 
A couple of pics of burner setups. Go with a three burner while you are building you will appreciate it later.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/20/12 6:49 PM
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Yes, the 3 burner is the best.
you can hold, steam and boil all at once.
and install self igniters. nothing like setting up and realizing you forgot your burner lighter.
 

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/20/12 10:26 PM
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Tristan225


I don't think it's a problem to only "THIS" forum.  Besides if it's on the internet IT'S GOT TO BE TRUE!

I am a french model.  
 
um.... bon jour.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/20/12 10:46 PM
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wee-weeeee

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/20/12 10:49 PM
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djkilabot


hi guys, i'm new here and thankful I found this forum,

..now for the stupid question,

i'm planning to build my own hotdog cart this year and i'm trying to source each part off the internet, if you know where to get these things, please help.. 

1. axle with suspension, (or what does it called)

next question:

2. how do you set up the burner? can somebody please upload pictures of the burner setup,

hoping to contribute with you guys in the coming days,

thanks in advance =)

If you have access to the internets you could do a "search" for trailer axles. Tractor supply has them too.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Mon, 11/26/12 4:03 PM
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If you are in the midwest Runnings Farm supply carries axels.  You can also look on the internet for Redneck Trailer supply.  They have several locations, I have bought axels from the one in the Denver area before.  They will also custom make them to your specs.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/27/12 12:06 PM
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My stupid question regards relish toppings. I have a 6 compartment condiment tray, stainless steel with plastic inserts. Plexiglass cover on the top. No bottom. I have the following in it. Neon relish, chopped onions, sport peppers, jalapenos, tomato slices, and shredded cheese. I've only been out a few times yet and have sat this on the table. Do you guys ice this down? If so, HOW do you ice it down? Is there a bucket/bin contraption out there that it would nestle in? Any input is always appreciated.
 
~Lonestar

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Re:Stupid question thread - Tue, 11/27/12 12:49 PM
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I have one of these, it holds ice in the bottom and the little plastic cups slip right in.
 I used to use it for lots of stuff now i just put my limes in it.   In hot weather the ice melts fast so i built myself an insulated box that holds 6th pans. 


Notice the aluminum box on the top of my cart; it has a red cutting board resting on it. That is my new cold box, the outer area is made of stainless steel, the inner is thin aluminum sheets.  In between is some r4 rated pink hard foam insulation 3/4" thick.  The top piece is a daimond plate aluminum piece that is removable so i can access the inside for cleaning/ repairs.
 


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Re:Stupid question thread - Sun, 12/2/12 7:01 AM
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hella good tacos


I have one of these, it holds ice in the bottom and the little plastic cups slip right in.
I used to use it for lots of stuff now i just put my limes in it.   In hot weather the ice melts fast so i built myself an insulated box that holds 6th pans. 


Notice the aluminum box on the top of my cart; it has a red cutting board resting on it. That is my new cold box, the outer area is made of stainless steel, the inner is thin aluminum sheets.  In between is some r4 rated pink hard foam insulation 3/4" thick.  The top piece is a daimond plate aluminum piece that is removable so i can access the inside for cleaning/ repairs.



 
Very well done.  I've often thought of fabricating something similar.  Your design is brilliant.  Good Luck.  DD

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 12/6/12 2:11 PM
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For those of you that boil your dogs... the pan that actually holds the dogs, do you have that over direct heat or in a double boiler?

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 12/6/12 2:52 PM
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boiling is over direct heat. pan in pan is steaming or holding depending on the setup.
 

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 12/6/12 6:40 PM
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why was that post flagged ?  

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 12/6/12 6:55 PM
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THE WILD DOG

why was that post flagged ?  

beats me. almost all my facts come from bens book.
hot dogs saved my life.
maybe I should start quoting word for word. but then ben prolly wont like that much.

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Re:Stupid question thread - Thu, 12/6/12 7:15 PM
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I believe you are to simmer the dogs and never boil the dogs.

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