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kaszeta

Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 8:56 AM (permalink)
To me, there are two ways to be annoying snobbish:
 
1. Having a vastly overinflated assessment of your own area's BBQ.  I've had plenty of people tell me that their area has excellent BBQ, only to find out when sampling it that it's actually pretty dismal.  The places I get this the most is Chicago.  Sure, there are some decent places there, but pretending that Chicago is in the same class as many of the other BBQ areas?  Please. 
 
2. Relentlessly trashing other places' BBQ regardless of quality. I know a lot of Texans that are terrible like this.  Sure, the best BBQ I've ever had (indeed, probably 5 or 6 of my top 10 places) was in Texas... but that doesn't mean that some of the BBQ I've had in Memphis, Kansas City, North Carolina, or even (gasp!) Maryland are bad.  And while I share a love of brisket, it doesn't *need* to be brisket to be good BBQ.
 
All this said, living up here in the Northeast (where the phrase "New England BBQ" should generally invoke skepticism if not outright fear), I mostly just get sad since people here don't even really seem to have much of a concept of what "BBQ" is (around here, BBQ usually means meat with BBQ sauce).
 
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    Hepcat

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    Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 9:58 AM (permalink)
    Davwud


    I would have to say Texas however I do find that denizens of the different BBQ regions seem relatively equally passionate about their particular take and deride all others. Particularly Q in non Q areas.


    Heartbreaksoup
    Since I spend a lot of time cleaning up and editing the listings for barbecue restaurants throughout the southeast, I see this kind of behavior constantly. About 20% of the time, it's "I'm from Texas, and so I KNOW barbecue."


    That's why I thought it might be in Texas but Chewingthefat says it ain't so.
     
    Davwud
    I, on the other hand, not having grown up in a Q region love it all. So long as it's good that is.

     
    My feelings too.
     

    <message edited by Hepcat on Tue, 10/30/12 12:04 PM>
     
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      Hepcat

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      Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 10:03 AM (permalink)
      kaszeta
      ...I mostly just get sad since people here don't even really seem to have much of a concept of what "BBQ" is (around here, BBQ usually means meat with BBQ sauce).

      To me the concept of BBQ revolves around meat being smoked for long hours to tenderize said meat.
       

      <message edited by Hepcat on Tue, 10/30/12 12:05 PM>
       
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        brisketboy

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        Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 10:33 AM (permalink)
        I would much rather be sitting around eating it than standing around arguing about it. That said, we got folks down here that will argue about which BBQ joint is best and why. I've eaten at most of them in the region and with a few exceptions like them all. I also like them in Georgia, Virginia, Soth Carolina etc.
         
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          Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 1:14 PM (permalink)
          Oh my God, I like it all. I've had BBQ across the nation. The east versus west North Carolina sauce argument is enough to make you want to put your head through a wall, especially as a Virginian. I don't care, I just want some BBQ!
           
          #35
            kaszeta

            Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 3:20 PM (permalink)
            Hepcat


            kaszeta
            ...I mostly just get sad since people here don't even really seem to have much of a concept of what "BBQ" is (around here, BBQ usually means meat with BBQ sauce).

            To me the concept of BBQ revolves around meat being smoked for long hours to tenderize said meat.



            I should be clear when I said "here", I meant geographically.  What passes for BBQ around northern New England is generally pretty dismal.
             
            One of the joys of my frequent business traveling is that I occasionally get some decent BBQ.  :)
             
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              Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 4:42 PM (permalink)
              No problem. I understood you meant New England. When people here in southern Ontario say BBQ, they mean nothing more elaborate than hamburgers and hot dogs on a charcoal grill.
               
              There has, however, been an absolute explosion in ribfests - generally sponsored by the Rotary Club - in which BBQ rigs compete against each other and sell their wares to all comers, albeit at higher prices these days than you typically find in restaurants.
               

              <message edited by Hepcat on Wed, 10/31/12 12:25 AM>
               
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                Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 6:07 PM (permalink)
                With all due respect, ribs have to be the easiest food item to BBQ or smoke. Now take a big brisket or bone-in pork shoulder, and you've got a whole different story.
                 
                #38
                  kaszeta

                  Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 8:58 PM (permalink)
                  Twinwillow

                  With all due respect, ribs have to be the easiest food item to BBQ or smoke. Now take a big brisket or bone-in pork shoulder, and you've got a whole different story.

                  Yeah, I've had a lot of dubious brisket.  I actually avoided it for a few years until I started going back to TX to get some.
                   
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                    Tony Bad

                    Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Tue, 10/30/12 10:06 PM (permalink)
                    Did anyone guess Pittston, PA yet?
                     
                     
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                      Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 8:58 AM (permalink)
                      Tony Bad


                      Did anyone guess Pittston, PA yet?
                      I hear the Old Forge-style barbecue there is delicious.
                       
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                        brisketboy

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                        Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 9:32 AM (permalink)
                        I like all varieties, beef, pork, and I've even had mutton. Done right, it's all good. I may be going out on a limb here by making this generalization but in my not so humble opinion I find that some of the most dismal bbq is sold at franchised chains. Famous Dave's comes immediatly to mind. When a wait staff has to squirt out the various flavors of sauce before you even get to order tells me something.
                         
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                          chewingthefat

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                          Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 5:10 PM (permalink)
                          Tony Bad


                          Did anyone guess Pittston, PA yet?


                          LOL!
                          Joe, where are you??
                           
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                            chewingthefat

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                            Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 5:21 PM (permalink)
                            Well this thread had longer legs than I expected...
                            The second most snobs IMHO, are from St. Louis, this as I mentioned is simply my lone observation based on talking to tens of thousands of customers over the yrars. When someon comes in and announces the are not cutsomers, they are Judges, because of where they live, I've got to roll my eyes, because it's such bs. The people are usually quite nice and generally I get strong kudos, but I don't get the need to announce in advance, since I'm from, fill in the blank, so I know BBQ!!!
                            Just a simple observation.
                             
                             
                            #44
                              Tony Bad

                              Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 6:32 PM (permalink)
                              chewingthefat


                              Tony Bad


                              Did anyone guess Pittston, PA yet?


                              LOL!
                              Joe, where are you??

                               
                              He is probably on his way here to break my kneecaps.
                               
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                                Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 6:54 PM (permalink)
                                chewingthefat
                                The second most snobs IMHO, are from St. Louis, this as I mentioned is simply my lone observation based on talking to tens of thousands of customers over the yrars. When someon comes in and announces the are not cutsomers, they are Judges, because of where they live, I've got to roll my eyes, because it's such bs.... but I don't get the need to announce in advance, since I'm from, fill in the blank, so I know BBQ!!!

                                 
                                Hmmmmmm, and St. Louis and Kansas City are separated only by the width of the state of Missouri. Must be the water I guess.
                                 
                                 

                                 
                                 

                                <message edited by Hepcat on Wed, 10/31/12 7:07 PM>
                                 
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                                  Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 8:28 PM (permalink)
                                  StL and KC hate each other.  Separated by 100 years and 250 miles, might as well be 1000. 
                                  Don't know how Toronto feels about Montreal, but think Philadelphia and Pittsburgh or San Francisco and Los Angeles.
                                   
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                                    Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 8:58 PM (permalink)
                                    Both Montreal and Hamilton hate Toronto.
                                     

                                     
                                     
                                     
                                     
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                                      Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Wed, 10/31/12 9:02 PM (permalink)
                                      Tony Bad


                                      chewingthefat


                                      Tony Bad


                                      Did anyone guess Pittston, PA yet?


                                      LOL!
                                      Joe, where are you??


                                      He is probably on his way here to break my kneecaps.

                                       
                                      Go ahead and laugh.  Someday the whole world will be eating Pittston Red Sauce BBQ AND Old Forge Red Sauce BBQ Pizza.
                                       
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                                        Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 1:15 AM (permalink)
                                        Of Course, NONE of you have ever had "True BBQ", which you can only get on Cuttyhunk Island! And only one alternate Thursdays.  On that island, Joe Chewingthefat Hoffman swims over to the next island (Nashawena or some damn place) and tracks down a live hawg that he forces to swim back to Cuttyhunk, before smoking,  The salt water the hawg absorbs during the swim gives the meat its extra piquancy. Joe etc roasts the hawg over three charcoal briquettes ( replenished) for 5 days while bathing it in seaweed and leftover lobster shells.  Toward the end of the "Q", he breaks 17......never 16..........never 18...hard shelled quahogs over the meat to give it that soft but salty tang with the perfect ring of smokiness. Some Say that the "dew" scraped from a recently caught mermaid adds to the flavour, but i find it elusive....both to catch and to savor these days. Served up with a side of lobster salad, Johnny cakes, Boston Baked Beans (made with smuggled molasses, of course), and some coleslaw, there is not a meal in the USA that can top it!  (unless you have a deep fryer, some lovely soft shell clams, some decent breading and some panache)
                                         
                                        Linguica sausage on the side is optional.
                                         
                                        And................Happy Halloween to you all!
                                         
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                                          Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 2:16 AM (permalink)
                                          About time someone wrote something that made sense on this thread!
                                           
                                          Buddy
                                           
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                                            Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 9:28 AM (permalink)
                                            Myron Mixon said it best on Pitmasters when discussing "judges" "They ain't judges, they're eaters."
                                             
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                                              Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 11:43 AM (permalink)
                                              LOL on "Pittston barbecue". Joe will back me up on this: traditional NEPA barbecue is shredded lunch meat (ham, turkey or pork roll) heated in a steam tray and served on a bun with relish. I kid you not.
                                               
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                                                Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 11:46 AM (permalink)
                                                And when I was growing up, barbecue was chipped chopped ham doused in ketchup and heated in a saucepan. So there. Bad barbecue? I know what that is, yes.
                                                 
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                                                  Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 3:14 PM (permalink)
                                                  Mosca

                                                  LOL on "Pittston barbecue". Joe will back me up on this: traditional NEPA barbecue is shredded lunch meat (ham, turkey or pork roll) heated in a steam tray and served on a bun with relish. I kid you not.

                                                   
                                                  Served on a soggy bun....
                                                   
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                                                    Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 4:07 PM (permalink)
                                                    It's possible that Gahanna, Ohio has the worst. After all, we have City Barbeque and Hoggy's right here in (Big Walnut) Creek City, and it just doesn't get any better than at those two giants of Q. Not only that, but there's a White Castle a little way outside of town where they serve fantastic barbeque on little buns. Plus, Kroger has tubs of Lloyd's barbeque, and cryovac packaged Montgomery Inn ribs.
                                                     
                                                    With all of that going for us it's hard not to be snobs.
                                                     
                                                    I forgot to mention canned Vivetti barbeque -- beef and pork.
                                                    <message edited by Michael Hoffman on Thu, 11/1/12 4:08 PM>
                                                     
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                                                      Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 4:59 PM (permalink)
                                                      I woulkd say when it comes to snobs I would vote CHicago. By snobs I don't mean mavens or aficianados I mean those who think they know what real BBQ is more than someone else. I have always maintained that many people ( not all by any strectch ) think the most important thing is the aquarium smoker or the neighborhood , or who owns the place. I think for many if an African American lady with extensions in her hair served ribs behind a bulletproof glass window ,they could be Chili's baby backs and there would be raving fans.Just my opinion.
                                                       
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                                                        Extreme Glow

                                                        Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Thu, 11/1/12 10:06 PM (permalink)
                                                        chewingthefat


                                                        Well this thread had longer legs than I expected...
                                                        The second most snobs IMHO, are from St. Louis, this as I mentioned is simply my lone observation based on talking to tens of thousands of customers over the yrars. When someon comes in and announces the are not cutsomers, they are Judges, because of where they live, I've got to roll my eyes, because it's such bs. The people are usually quite nice and generally I get strong kudos, but I don't get the need to announce in advance, since I'm from, fill in the blank, so I know BBQ!!!
                                                        Just a simple observation.


                                                        If any St. Louisans said that, they would have to be referring to their own cooking abilities and not to local restaurants. Until the last few years, the BBQ restaurant scene in St. Louis was abysmal.  For years, the places pointed to as being the "best" served any and all meats swimming in super-sweet sauce.  My first experience (many years ago) with St. Louis BBQ was ordering some chicken at a famous (still open) place; the guy behind the counter grabbed some long tongs, dipped them into a huge vat of steaming sauce, and pulled out a half chicken.  Two pieces of white bread came along to make it a chicken sandwich.  I'm sure the expression on my face was one of shock.  It was pretty disgusting.  If anyone asked me for a BBQ recommendation, I would direct them to Memphis or Kansas City.
                                                         
                                                        Fortunately, that has changed with the likes of The Shaved Duck, Pappy's, Bogart's, and other places.
                                                         
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                                                          MetroplexJim

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                                                          Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Fri, 11/2/12 7:37 AM (permalink)
                                                          chewingthefat


                                                          Michael Hoffman


                                                          Emmitsburg, Maryland?

                                                          No, not snobs, Savants!


                                                          Speaking of genius -- how goes the sales of the pork BBQ "burger"? 
                                                           
                                                          My mouth still waters at the thought of adding crispy goodness to my favorite 'cue.
                                                           
                                                          #59
                                                            kaszeta

                                                            Re:So what city turns out the worst BBQ snobs, do you think? Fri, 11/2/12 10:44 AM (permalink)
                                                            Extreme Glow

                                                            If any St. Louisans said that, they would have to be referring to their own cooking abilities and not to local restaurants. Until the last few years, the BBQ restaurant scene in St. Louis was abysmal. 

                                                             
                                                            While I haven't been there since 2007, Smoki O's has done pretty well by me several times, although they do seem to rather heavily apply sauce to what were otherwise decent smoked ribs and pig snoots.
                                                             
                                                            http://offbeateats.org/20./07/smoki-o-st-louis-mo/
                                                             
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