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MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
2012/12/08 22:13:44
I enjoy Roadfood.com and, I would guess, 95% of my postings on the site concern food.  My posts are, in general, well-received. 
 
But, there is this forum within our community which invites posting and giving perspective  on "stuff" which we find either to be of general interest or simply hilarious.   For some arbitrary and capricious reason some of my well-intended, considred content ends up either being "spam-labelled" or expurgated entirely. 
 
In one extreme case an entire thread I started was expurgated after several pages of spirited, informed "back & forth" - none of which could have been fairly called "political"; the "issue at hand" was whether or not energy generated from wind turbines located in the Atlantic could be stored in U.S. Postal Service vehicles, later to be released to "fire the grid".
 
Here is that video wherein a gentleman of my age, my race, and is (even) a fellow Presbyterian speaks on the Senate floor as a duly elected Senator of the "first state" of these United States of America:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S4pHUwv2nc .
 
I posted the video as I thought (and think) it to be absolutely risible. 
 
Yet, the whole of that mostly thoughtful thread was arbitrarily and capriciously cast into the ether. 
 
I certainly may be incorrect, but it is my sense that the reason for that was that several of our "equals" were making fools of themselves.
 
Then very recently, on the "What are you reading" topic on this forum, I opined that the "Killing Lincoln" and "Killing Kennedy" books were enjoyable reads.  Further, I assured those who may be somehow predisposed not to read anything written by an employee of a certain cable channel that they had nothing to fear in the way of "ideological infection". 
 
That simple recommendation of that which has already been well-received -  the two books are the top two NYT non-fiction "best-sellers" - unleashed a torrent of "fun" back and forth that was expurgated when a number of the "plebes" mocked "the select".
 
In that censored exchange I cited - TOTALLY without offense to any rules, "Roadfood's" or otherwise - another book I was then re-reading,  Orwell's Animal Farm.
 
I quoted a passage in it that I still cannot understand for either internal logic or the sentiment:  "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
 
I ask now what that means in the context of Roadfood.
 
Discussion, please; take care to remain "within the rules" (as I have been above, most carefully).
mr chips
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 00:28:54
I'm not a moderator but i think it might be a good idea to read the revised code of conduct which is at the beginning of the off topic thread. Please feel free to send me a personal message and i will be glad to discuss as best I can my interpretation of the rules.
 
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 10:54:15
mr chips,
 
Your advice is wel taken. 
I read the revised policy and, following, copy it for others to read.
---------------------------------
Due to the high probability of discussions involving political or social issues degrading into exchanges that will violate the first two rules of this forum, such discussions are forbidden. Posts in violation will be deleted. Continued violation of this guideline can lead to loss of posting privileges.

Remember the basic rules for posting on this forum.

1. Show respect at all times.

2. Personal attacks are prohibited. This specifically means any text/post that is blatantly attacking another person on or off the forum.

 
Zagut
Junior Burger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 13:57:22
I like this place but I do see where it has become a place where new ideas and people are not as welcome as the old timers. 
 
The Anti- Spam function is abused by folks who simply disagree with what's posted and the Mod's plea they really have no power.
 
I lurk more then post simply because I don't feel welcome.
 
A lot of those who have been here a long time do tend to look down at anyone new or who have a different opinion then what's been accepted in the past.
 
Enjoy life because we only get one shot at it.
post edited by Zagut - 2012/12/09 13:58:49
mar52
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 16:10:22
You need to post more, Zagut!  It's how you get that "welcome" feeling. 
 
 
Ice Cream Man
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 16:29:37
Unless you are doing food reports, disaster reports or illness there is a lack of social content on this site. Very seldom anyone cracks a smile.
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 17:51:31
We used to.
Zagut
Junior Burger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 18:50:37
Sorry Mar. I really do like you but this place just isn't a place to feel welcome. Posting more won't cut it when what is posted is rejected because you're not one of the "Old Boys".
Right or wrong that's the impression given and impressions are 99% of what you receive in return.
I'll continue to read this stuff but until I see a more accepting attitude among the "Old timers" here I'll just lurk and watch.
I'll open my big mouth when I see fit but that won't be often.

1bbqboy.  "Used to" is a key here.

1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 19:08:42
I just blaze ahead and piss people off. It can be fun and I'm a pro at it. 
mar52
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 19:31:05
Hope you try more, Zagut.
 
I try to post where I can.  Buffetbuster's post in the trip report forum is where I'm having a good time now because although I'm not one of the Good 'ol Boys, I've been to almost all the places BB is reporting on... I can relate!  It makes it easier.
 
Bill... You're good at what you do. 
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 19:35:33
Thanks. 
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/09 20:38:15
I imagine we all feel insecure to some degree and we wonder if we fit in. I've been communicating online now in public forums for over 28 years now. I think and hope I have developed a keen sense of how I want to behave in the various places I visit, and they are not always the same way. I'm different here than I am on a few other boards I frequent. I am very different the way I post on Facebook vs. Twitter. Mostly I try to go with the flow but keep my own agenda.
 
One thing I have learned over the years is don't worry about changing anyone's mind. In that regard discussing politics and social issues is pretty much useless though I do it for exercise on another board that allows it. It is more an exercise in formulating my own thoughts. I once tried tracking how much I actually typed in a day and it was over 10,000 words. Now most of those words are just to vent my frustrations and usually end up on the delete floor. So type away but know when to pass on the Send button.
 
I have no idea how I am perceived here in Roadfood.com. I know I have slowed down and haven't posted as many trip reports even though I travel 15,000+ miles around the United States every year.  I don't or try not to get too personal with "old timers" on here other than to find a lutefisk dig for wanderingjew but that is because I just like the guy.
mr chips
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 04:27:48
i don't post about politics here because the rules ask me not to do so. I also worked in politics for 12 years of my life and have discovered that very few people change their mind on deeply held beliefs due to my brilliant arguments, You win elections and issue fights by mobilizing and energizing your supporters to take action. I love to discuss things in the appropriate places on the net and I try to follow the rules here even though I do have strong opinions
Tony Bad
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 08:39:41
MetroplexJim

Due to the high probability of discussions involving political or social issues degrading into exchanges that will violate the first two rules of this forum, such discussions are forbidden. Posts in violation will be deleted. Continued violation of this guideline can lead to loss of posting privileges.

Remember the basic rules for posting on this forum.

1. Show respect at all times.

2. Personal attacks are prohibited. This specifically means any text/post that is blatantly attacking another person on or off the forum.

 

 
This says it all.
 
Trust me, the moderators don't want to treat you all like children, and have tried...oh how we have tried...to be liberal in application of these rules. Unfortunately political or socially charged topics almost universally degrade into, as the rules state, "exchanges that violate the first rules of the forum". I wish that was not the case, as we have many people here with interesting backgrounds and life history's, and hearing what they think about these forbidden topics would probably be interesting or at least eye opening. Sadly, intolerance of the views of others seems to trump both the rules of the forum and, many times, the basic rules of socially acceptable discourse and we are usually left with a big mess. Often, the threads get so polluted they become too hard to clean up and are deleted in their entirety. This is a shame, but when there are quotes of bad posts, comments responding to deleted posts, etc trying to leave portions of the thread becomes impossible as what is left will be incoherent.
 
As for the whole old-timers being unwelcoming thing, I am not sure what people expect or want. It is an open forum. As long as you post within the rules no one has a greater right to speak their mind than anyone else. Post away. 
Tony Bad
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 09:01:43
Zagut

Sorry Mar. I really do like you but this place just isn't a place to feel welcome. Posting more won't cut it when what is posted is rejected because you're not one of the "Old Boys".
Right or wrong that's the impression given and impressions are 99% of what you receive in return.
I'll continue to read this stuff but until I see a more accepting attitude among the "Old timers" here I'll just lurk and watch.
I'll open my big mouth when I see fit but that won't be often.

1bbqboy.  "Used to" is a key here.


 
You seem to be suggesting your posts have been "rejected"? Where? By whom? You started a thread and despite the fact no one was replying anymore, you kept responding to it yourself to bump it to the top. Is that your rejection issue? 
 
You have been here almost a year and have made zero posts about the stated topic of this forum...roadfood. I am guessing if you go into any forum, on any topic and make no attempt to discuss the actual focus of the forum you aren't going to ever become "welcome". 
 
 
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 11:33:26
I'll continue to read this stuff but until I see a more accepting attitude among the "Old timers" here I'll just lurk and watch.

 
I think I qualify as an "Old Timer" here (hell, I qualify as one anywhere) and I haven't noticed anyone being unaccepting of you or other posters. Unaccepting of an idea, sure. But this is a discussion board. I, for instance, do not accept the suggestion that I must enjoy chicken wings, sushi, so-called lobster rolls containing mayonnaise, or that I must call apizza pizza. But there's nothing personal about that.
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 13:05:06
Michael Hoffman

I'll continue to read this stuff but until I see a more accepting attitude among the "Old timers" here I'll just lurk and watch.


I think I qualify as an "Old Timer" here (hell, I qualify as one anywhere) and I haven't noticed anyone being unaccepting of you or other posters. Unaccepting of an idea, sure. But this is a discussion board. I, for instance, do not accept the suggestion that I must enjoy chicken wings, sushi, so-called lobster rolls containing mayonnaise, or that I must call apizza pizza. But there's nothing personal about that.

Mr. Hoffman, what was Prohibition like?

Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 13:18:07
It was a bitch!
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 14:28:26
I agree with Tony about the difference between 'out of line' posts, and personality conflicts.
Funny how time and some effort on the part of all involved can make a Mole-hill out of a Mountain when it comes to communication on this site. Just ask Chewie, and JoeRogo, how things seem to work themselves out over time. I am quite happy to call them 'friends' now and hope that any interpersonal conflicts can be resolved as well as ours have been.
  Not everyone here wants to be "loved". We do find members who seem to enjoy harassing or putting down others. The Moderators do make an effort to control those poor-behaviored posters...but some seem to be beyond our control at this time.
   I urge patience when you run across one of the conflicts, to quote MH..."What goes around, Comes Around"  or some such nonsense as that...
Poverty Pete
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 14:48:54
Al, either that, or you could just marry them off to lleechef. That seems to have remarkable effects on people's personalities.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 15:12:40
Now, wait just one damned minute ... .
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 15:29:29
The nominations are in for Best Post of 2012.....
 

 
Poverty Pete
 
Even though he came back from Joisey without a picture of CC
Poverty Pete
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 15:45:48
Don't jump to conclusions, Joe.  Would you return from Paris without a photo of the gardens at Versailles? Would you go to Kamakura without trying to capture the Buddha?
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 16:23:29
The Fountain of Youth..
Glenn1234
Double Cheeseburger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 17:02:23
 
 
Regarding Zagut's point over the "Old Boys", I think it would be helpful if the longer-standing members would stop using "insider talk" and code that newbies would have idea what it means.   A while back,  I was perplexed at what "TTM'd" meant.  It was later explained (after having to ask), that it meant "The Travellin Man'ed", which was named after The Travellin Man, who was known for showing up at closed restaurants. 
While using this acronym of "TTM'd" might be cute among long-standing members, it is convoluted and makes no sense to newer members.   It doesn't take that much more effort to say, "It was closed when I arrived" versus, "I was TTM'd".  
 
.... And, what is this "glee club" I see referenced at times?.  I could see no reference to singing, so I assume it's another "code word" for something, and am still in the dark on that one.
 
For an upper midwest tour, there is a refernce to "the contingent".  Again, same question?  What does this mean?    
 
To help newbies understand what is being said and feel welcome at a forum....any forum, whether it is food, cars, boating, or whatever, using understandable language is much more helpful.  
 
Thanks.
 
Glenn
 
 
post edited by Glenn1234 - 2012/12/10 17:05:55
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 17:07:19
We're a secret society. If you can't figure out the clues, no entrance into the inner sanctum.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 17:20:32
I don't spend much time on the internet. I still barely know how to use my smartphone so since my time is limited.... you just won't find me on here that frequently- especially during the day- I work and I've been really  getting slammed at work, or late at night- I try to get at least 8 hours of sleep in.... But this is still the website that I primarily enjoy looking at when I'm on the internet.... 
 
This is a website about Roadfood. I post trip reports, respond to trip reports, respond to "where to eat" posts and other posts pertaining to Roadfood.  Ive met some friends along the way with similar passions and interests and that has been very rewarding
 
I know there are others here that post about things  I just don't care about. Please  don't let that stop you....you just won't find me in those threads.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 17:22:19
Glenn1234 

 

.... And, what is this "glee club" I see referenced at times?.  I could see no reference to singing, so I assume it's another "code word" for something, and am still in the dark on that one.



The Glee Club is a group of Roadfood members who travel around North America wearing garish Hawaiian shirts trying to rescue Wiffenpoofs who are convinced they are actually black sheep rather than a capella singers who belong to an eating club in New Haven.

post edited by Michael Hoffman - 2012/12/10 17:23:58
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 17:37:38
Glenn1234, This  is a community, a community of goof-offs, but still a community.  At any time, any poster, new or old can chime in and ask a question.  And I can gar-in-tee you will receive a respectful reply.
 
Tony Bad
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 17:56:23
joerogo

The nominations are in for Best Post of 2012.....



Poverty Pete

Even though he came back from Joisey without a picture of CC

 
I second that nomination.
lleechef
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 18:29:45
Poverty Pete

Al, either that, or you could just marry them off to lleechef. That seems to have remarkable effects on people's personalities.

Now wait just a cotton pickin' minute......I have my hands full already!!
 

Zagut
Junior Burger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 19:09:55
"You seem to be suggesting your posts have been "rejected"?
 
Not at all. I have no rejection issues. It was an observation after reading this site for well over a year and seeing the changes in the interaction of posters.
 
The thread title said A sincere question so I gave a sincere answer.
As to not posting about the stated topic "Roadfood". I don't post much at all. But I do believe this is Off Topic & "Lighter Fare"
 
"I think I qualify as an "Old Timer" here (hell, I qualify as one anywhere) and I haven't noticed anyone being unaccepting of you or other posters. Unaccepting of an idea, sure. But this is a discussion board."
 
Not seeing the forest is sometimes the trees getting in the way.
 
" But there's nothing personal about that."
I totaly agree and never take any if this personally and hope no one else does.
 
 
"I agree with Tony about the difference between 'out of line' posts, and personality conflicts."
 
I really don't give a damn about them. Sometimes they can be really funny.
I only mentioned the spam flagging because it's been so abused. If it was used to flag spam fine but when it's used to silence it's annoying. You Mods are doing a fine job but you have said you have on control over it. It takes away from the site. Ya really should just can the feature.
 
"Regarding Zagut's point over the "Old Boys", I think it would be helpful if the longer-standing members would stop using "insider talk" and code that newbies would have idea what it means."
Not exactly where I was going but it wouldn't hurt.
I will admit trying to figure out the seceret code can be fun at times.
I've seen it said here that this site is losing posters and isn't what it used to be because of the newer social media's like facebook etc.
I just see it as it needing to take a sincere look at itself.
 
 
It's a good site and I'll continue to visit.
Enjoy,
Z.
 
 
 
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 19:30:55
I do believe that The Mayor would be the best person to explain about the Glee Club, and probably Mr. Roadhouse could handle the question about the Contingent.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 19:34:57
Zagut


Not seeing the forest is sometimes the trees getting in the way. 





Oh, I can see the forest quite well. Perhaps you're having a problem with the understory.

ann peeples
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/10 20:20:07
The contingent is a group of people, between Milwaukee and Chicago that meet often for food tours. Everyone is welcome.I have no idea why my favorite people call their group the Glee club, and never asked. But everyone is welcome, as well. Some of us have known each other for years, and have formed wonderful friendships. Thats it, no big deal.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/11 09:08:53
A small group of gentlemen met in 2004 to do a tour of Middle Tennessee's BBQ locations (6 stops in one day) We had a fine day, but over-estimated our ability to absorb BBQ at the rate necessary to meet our goals. 
 
The group decided that an appropriate name for our activity would be desirable...And thus was born "The Western Tennessee BBQ Appreciation Society", later ammended to include "and Glee Club" as an appendage to the original title.
  After a period of time the original title was shortened to the Glee Club. There are no membership requirements, although wearing  vivid-colored oversized Hawaiian Shirt as a symbol of respect to the founder of that uniform apparel (Mr BUSHIE) will be encouraged.  The group meets, usually on Presidents Day weekend for it's annual dinner and other  foodie activities. The location has not been set for the 2013 meeting, but hopefully it will be someplace 'Warm" . Mobile,AL or Pensacola,FL  has been suggested, but has not been finalized.
At the last Glee club gathering, the original members were joined by 25 or so other RF members who shared in some or all of the interesting food stops in the Nashville area.
If you are at all interested in meeting other RF members and sharing a rather fun social experience, consider yourself a Member of the Glee-Club, Hawaiian Shirt or not...and join us at the next meeting if you can.  If we let Hoffman attend, the admission standards can't be all that high !!
 
Other members are encouraged to edit this post, as my memory for historic detail is fading a bit.  Except that I will never forget out stop at My 3 Sons BBQ, and meeting Larry, Darryl and Darryl that day.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/11 09:36:50
ADD-
I received info this morning that will confirm Mobile, Alabama as the base of the Annual Glee Club meeting for the Presidents Day weekend in 2013.
Specific dates will follow, but the tradition has been a Friday evening, Saturday, and Sunday morning gathering. All are welcome for ANY or ALL of the meal stops.  more details follw.
Anyone know when Mardi Gras falls in 2013. That could be a conflict as Mobile has a huge celebration of that event???
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/11 13:18:55
Mardi Gras is February 13, 2013. President's Day is a week later, IIRC, so y'all should be fine.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/11 16:02:20
Felix, If you are South again during the winter, consider coming over if possible. it would be great to see you .
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/11 20:40:57
I would LOVE to! Unfortunately, at this point I am car-less, mostly job-less, and recovering from surgery. I just don't see it happening.
easydoesit
Double Cheeseburger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 14:41:51
I've been thinking about this thread for a couple days, wondering if I should get into it at all.  I will because I like Roadfood, and value it highly.  
 
And that's it.  We all value it highly, that is very clear. We don't want to lose it, we want it to thrive.  Everybody.  That's really great.
 
This thread started out real good, but seemed to dwindle to the end, and has a satisfactory solution been suggested?
 
To tell the truth, I LIKE political commentary, and can find it many places, don't have to come here.  But I want to come here, for all our sakes.
 
There didn't used to be a Fast Food thread, did there, or Restaurant Professionals, or Hot Dog Vendors?  And it sems there was controversy about getting them added.
 
This is the forum for miscellaneous stuff.  Would be worthwhile to at least give a shot to some type of political thread?  One great thing about this site is everybody (most everybody) are friends or at least friendly, and I think a high respect level might be honored among the posters.  If not, well, shut it right down.
 
But we could add a lot of hits, and we would spend more time here, which would be good for us all. 
 
And I KNOW I could learn a lot from the experienced and talented people here. And it could be a lot of fun.  And we would surely get to know each other better, which would hopefully lead to more cohesiveness, instead of division.  Hopefully.
 
Any shot at it at all?  Grow or die!
easydoesit
Double Cheeseburger
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 15:09:35
Regarding the old boys club, and welcomingof  newcomers, well, big boys, don't deny it.  It's been that way since I've been coming here, and I've experienced it too.
 
This is not a gripe, it's an example.  I'm a big boy too, and don't get my feelings ruffled by such as this.
 
Everybody in the area loves Fred's in Burlington WI.  Me too.  I used to work the for railroad that runs right behind the building, and have had many a fine burger there.  One time King T (great posts, always) started a thread in which Fred's was prominent, and everybody enjoyed the thread.
 
Having spent a lot of time in Burlington, I might know more about it than other Roadfooders.
 
All the Roadfood regulars were back-and-forthing about the food, and I added what I at least thought was informative and maybe entertaining post.  I discussed the well-known Burlington liars club, which in humorous fashion publishes the best whopper of the year.  That comes out I think in January.  The city even has a plaque to them on a main drag in town.  You can get a membership card for a buck, and I still carry mine to show off.  It's always good for a laugh..
 
http://burlingtonliarsclub.com/
 
I discussed the Sun Ray Hills nudist camp, where I met the owner (nice lady) by accident, and she told me about the square dances in their barn, which image I have still not been able to get out of my head.
 
http://www.sunrayhills.com/
 
And I discussed how enamoured my railroaders are with Fred's burgers, to the point they would sometimes use their cell phones to place an order from the trains, and if the train was short enough to fit between the crossings, they were very willing to stop and get it.
 
Not trying to pat myself on the back, but I thought I was adding to the conversation, and wanted to get into the gang.
 
The response?  Zero.  Nary a word.  The good buddies just kep chattering right along to each other, and ignored my interruption entirely.
 
I'm not complaining, I'm not a child.  But don't say it doesn't happen, or didn't before, because it did and it does.  A lot of the new people, maybe all of them, see it.
 
Now...why would I take all the time to write this, if I didn't care a lot about the site?  I could be doing almost anything else, but I want this to be good for us all.
 
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 15:55:34
As far as the older members not making the newcomers feel welcome...that is true of every message board on every website ever. It's also true of situations in real life. Anyone ever been the new kid in school, or started a new job? Everybody else already knows each other, so you have to butt in and try to find a place for yourself in what is already an established pecking order, as it were. I don't think anybody really means anything by it (obviously there are exceptions; there always are), it's just how it happens.
 
I will say that when I was new and didn't know anybody except my ex (who has moved on from here, near as I can tell), I was made to feel welcome by some and unwelcome by others. So I tended to mostly ignore the ones that ignored me, and chatted with the ones who chatted back. And one of my favourite memories is having dinner with Mayor Al and his lovely wife on my way through Indiana on a trip to the Gulf Coast a few years back.
Tony Bad
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 16:21:15
easydoesit

All the Roadfood regulars were back-and-forthing about the food, and I added what I at least thought was informative and maybe entertaining post.  I discussed the well-known Burlington liars club, which in humorous fashion publishes the best whopper of the year.  That comes out I think in January.  The city even has a plaque to them on a main drag in town.  You can get a membership card for a buck, and I still carry mine to show off.  It's always good for a laugh..

http://burlingtonliarsclub.com/

I discussed the Sun Ray Hills nudist camp, where I met the owner (nice lady) by accident, and she told me about the square dances in their barn, which image I have still not been able to get out of my head.

http://www.sunrayhills.com/

And I discussed how enamoured my railroaders are with Fred's burgers, to the point they would sometimes use their cell phones to place an order from the trains, and if the train was short enough to fit between the crossings, they were very willing to stop and get it.

Not trying to pat myself on the back, but I thought I was adding to the conversation, and wanted to get into the gang.

The response?  Zero.  Nary a word.  The good buddies just kep chattering right along to each other, and ignored my interruption entirely.


 
Here is the thread you are referring to:
 
http://www.roadfood.com/F...ington-WI-m463572.aspx
 
Now, I hate to be picky, but what I see here is very different from what you described. Someone posted about their visit to an establishment, which was followed by one comment. ONE COMMENT. You characterize this as "All the Roadfood regulars were back-and-forthing about the food,". Really? There was one reply before you made your post. "All the regulars" were not involved. You then wrote "The good buddies just kep chattering right along to each other, and ignored my interruption entirely.".  There were two posts after yours, then a couple more added a month later. Your portrayal sounds very different than the reality of the situation, making it seem there was some massive effort on the part of these mysterious "regulars" to cast you and your comment aside. That simply didn't happen and I am not sure why you would want to make it seem like it did.
 
I understand that it is unpleasant when you take the time to write something and don't get the reply you may have anticipated. It has happened to me as well and I didn't like it any more than you, but sometimes people just don't share your interest in an area or subject or they really have nothing to add to the discussion. I read a lot of great reviews and add nothing because just writing "great review, thanks" seems lame to me. You can't take it personally as most of us don't know anything about each other as actual people. 
 
The Travelin Man
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 16:42:21
Tony, in the future, if you choose not to say "great review, thanks," perhaps you can just wish them a Merry Christmas.
 
Oh wait....that might be TOO inside. See...sometimes, when people wish other people a Merry Christmas, they're really not wishing them a Merry Christmas.
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 17:07:01
Happy Chanukah?
Tony Bad
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 17:48:57
I just want to add, I don't mean to pick on you easydoesit. Many cite a lack of response to their on topic posts as a reason they post less, so the problem certainly exists. There are also many other things one could fairly complain about in these forums. The only reason I checked back is because contrary to popular opinion, the moderators do try to root out bad behavior and eliminate posts where people are mean and disrespectful of others, even if they have been here a while. Heck I had Michael Hoffman on speed ban for a while there, and they don't get any more old-timer than him!
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 17:51:08
We found a way to rehabilitate MH...and so far it seems to be working !!! Thank God for Lleechef !
 
Perhaps we should all just try to get along. 
 
I do find it interesting that the source of much of the concern has remained aloof and has not desended from near the throne to deride the peasants in their feeble attempts to find a solution to these issues.
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 17:57:43
If Taco Bell had a Brisket and Latkes burrito, I'd be in, Mr. Mayor.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 18:02:57
I withdrew my suggestion BBQ- but I like your response anyway !!
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 18:03:20
1bbqboy
Happy Chanukah?

 
I hear TTM converted to Catholicism.  Some say for a college football team, I hear he did it for the jokes.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 18:25:55
Yeah he really likes BYU football !
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 18:28:55
This will definitely be the first time I have ever rooted for 
Notre Dame in anything at anytime, but if it deflates the vaunted SEC God Bless the Irish.
Now back to your regular programming.
mar52
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 18:31:09
Some posts and posters generate more responses. 
Write a detailed trip report with pictures and you might get 3 posters commenting or several pages of responses.
 
It doesn't mean we all don't like or enjoy those posts.
 
I tend to post on trip reports where I'm familiar with the places mentioned.  That makes sense to "me". 
 
What I'm saying is we all have our own posting style and responding style. 
 
I try to add to the board with my comments or threads.  Some just expect to be entertained.
 
If no one comments on something I write, no big deal. 
 
Because I make a presence on this board, more people are aware of my posts and because of that I think I get more interaction with others,
 
Give and take!
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 18:34:48
We do not deign to bother with the lower classes squabbling about the nothingness of being.
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 21:29:42
The Scarecrow at Sun Ray Hills wears clothes.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 22:00:07
The horn blows at Mid-night.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 22:33:41
mayor al

The horn blows at Mid-night.

Ah, Jack Benny and Alexis Smith.

Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/12 22:34:57
CCinNJ

The Scarecrow at Sun Ray Hills wears clothes.

It's a darned good thing!

MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:A sincere question re: policy and practice on this forum 2012/12/13 07:51:51
Tony Bad 

...  as we have many people here with interesting backgrounds and life history's, and hearing what they think about these forbidden topics would probably be interesting or at least eye opening. Sadly, intolerance of the views of others seems to trump both the rules of the forum and, many times, the basic rules of socially acceptable discourse and we are usually left with a big mess. Often, the threads get so polluted they become too hard to clean up and are deleted in their entirety. This is a shame, but when there are quotes of bad posts, comments responding to deleted posts, etc trying to leave portions of the thread becomes impossible as what is left will be incoherent.



(The underline of the sentence above is mine).
 
Thank you.  That is a reasonable explanation.
 
Still, that thread about the Senator's speech advocating the storage of electric power generated by wind turbines off the Atlantic shore in the the batteries of USPS vehicles from which it might later be released "to fire the grid" was far more about the Laws of Physics than politics. 
 
Frankly, I thought all of us, including you as an active participant, were just having some good, clean, informative fun discussing this proposal which I considered to be an absolutely risible, phusically impossible, and Rube Goldberg-esque.  Some disagreed with me and some fun mayhem ensued.  I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that the thread was excised after one side started feeling cornered by reality - especially by (as I recall) PLB who is an electrical engineer. 
 
Oh, well - as Albee had George saying to Martha, "That's all jut blood under the dam", ...  I hope your home electric project is going well; it is soundly based in what really is possible.
 
Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas!
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