What is the difference between a chili dog vs. a coney island

I believe in this case, the chili dog has no beans in it. 
Does anyone have any definitive answers on this. 
Does a chili dog have tex mex seasonings. 
 
Help.

Around here it's usually the other way around...sometimes.  A coney dog will never have beans ("coney sauce") while a chili dog might or might not.

Lived in the South for 50 years,never had a chilli dog with beans.

Here is a previous thread on the same subject where even hot dog experts Michael Stern and John Fox weigh in with their opinions.

I make no claims for elsewhere
 
but
 
with Cincinnati-style chili, those two mean the same thing.  That said, one does not typically ask for a "coney island" or a "chili dog" at a Cincinnati-style chili parlor - although either would be understood - they ask for a "coney", and more commonly still - a "cheese coney", which is a coney topped with shredded mild cheddar

The great question. slaveforsushi a quick trip across the Ambassador Bridge will bring you to the town that the Great and Almighty Coney was invented. For Detroit was its birth place. Lafayette Coney and American claim to be the originators but common knowledge says it came from the Greeks that immigrated there.
 
IMO: They would never include beans. Here you will find several recipes for the concoction: http://www.roadfood.com/F...ce-Recipe-m114580.aspx
 
There are a lot of differences between Flint, Cincy, and Detroit. It appears to start off with something like the Detroit version but changes were made along the way. Coney sauce is thinner than the others and has less of the ground beef texture.
 
...Russ

The Detroit Coney Island hot dog is made unique by the chili sauce it's topped with. (Its not any old beanless chili). The sauce is almost always made daily in the restaurant and has beef organ meats finely diced into the ground beef base.
 
The five, or six, or dozen, premier coney places in metro Detroit add "proprietary" spice mixes to the sauce; with water, tomato paste and...
 
An authentic Coney Island is always an encased weiner.
 
Hope that helps your understanding. 
    

RedJim64


The Detroit Coney Island hot dog is made unique by the chili sauce it's topped with. (Its not any old beanless chili). The sauce is almost always made daily in the restaurant and has beef organ meats finely diced into the ground beef base.

The five, or six, or dozen, premier coney places in metro Detroit add "proprietary" spice mixes to the sauce; with water, tomato paste and...

An authentic Coney Island is always an encased weiner.

Hope that helps your understanding. 
   

Perhaps for the newcomers we should discuss the difference between a weiner and a hot dog.

I'm no newcomer, but what IS the difference?

1bbqboy...
 
My understanding is that there are only two types of hot dogs: weiners and frankfurters. A weiner is always an all beef sausage. A frankfurter is a blend of ground pork and beef. The weiner sausage originated in the region around Vienna, Austria; the frankfurter, in Frankfurt, Germany. Of course, how each sausage is spiced makes it unique to the butcher.
 
And I think both sausages must have a membrane casing.
 
The distinction between the two sausages probably got very muddy when "hot dogs" started to become popular in the USA.   

Here in Rochester we have red or white "Hots" In nearby Stracuse they have red "Franks" & white "Coneys". In Rochester chili on a Hot is called hot sauce (no beans), in Syracuse they call it chili. Whatever you call them they are swell. I don't care what you call them, just shut up and EAT. 

So, Ed, What's a Michigan up there?

There's 41 posts on the other thread that Buffetbuster mentions.
Could a Moderator please merge these 2 threads?

RedJim64


1bbqboy...

My understanding is that there are only two types of hot dogs: weiners and frankfurters. A weiner is always an all beef sausage. A frankfurter is a blend of ground pork and beef. The weiner sausage originated in the region around Vienna, Austria; the frankfurter, in Frankfurt, Germany. Of course, how each sausage is spiced makes it unique to the butcher.

And I think both sausages must have a membrane casing.

The distinction between the two sausages probably got very muddy when "hot dogs" started to become popular in the USA.   

The Vienna Sausage Manufacturing Company arrived in Chicago in 1893 with two sausage makers from Austria and Hungary that set up shop on Halsted and Maxwell. Vienna Beef makes all beef hot dogs and Polish, both natural casing and skinless, known as franks, not wieners.
CSD
Hot Dog University/Vienna Beef

I cannot recall ever getting a Coney in Michigan where the Hot Dog was not a natural casing. You will never have beans in Coney Sauce. Koegels and Kowalski are used for just about all. I have never seen a Vienna in Michigan. Even a Chicago Style Dog tastes better with a Koegel. Now available at all Meyers in Ohio! 

Brian Degalan, owner of the One Stop Coney Shop in Grand Rapids, MI is a proud graduate of Hot Dog University. Brian serves Koegels products, including a Chicago style version. www.onestopconeyshop.com