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djdawg
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CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 4:16 PM
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So I've been working the late night with hot dogs for about a month and a half... it's been much more consistent than my days.

A crazy idea came to me this morning... what if I completely ditched hot dogs and served biscuits and gravy? This would undoubtedly go over well with the late night tipsy crowd, I'm just not sure how well. Who doesn't like biscuits and gravy after a night of partying? I could also have other toppings available on the gravy like shredded cheese, hot sauce, etc. It would be super easy to do on the cart, cheap and different than what anyone else is serving right now late night.

I'm curious to hear anyone else's thoughts and ideas... remember I'm not doing a morning breakfast thing for people on their way to work... its for party people very late at night.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 4:59 PM
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This may work for you but we tried the same thing and it was an epic fail.  People told us if they wanted biscuits n gravy they would go to waffle house/ihop etc. and "get breakfast" meaning the whole deal: juice, toast, eggs, pancakes, etc.  Lots of places do that, I would rather serve a great dog. Good luck!  

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 5:06 PM
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Thanks Panther! When were you doing this? Normal morning hours for people on their way to work or late night/bar time?

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 5:32 PM
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and who ever heard of a biscuit and gravy cart?

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 5:45 PM
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You would have to have incredible fresh baked biscuits and an equally great sausage gravy, not pop & fresh with chef mate gravy from a can..
Stick with the dogs!
Like panther said, if I want b&g, I'm going to ihop, etc.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 6:06 PM
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dennys is much better.
 

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 6:21 PM
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Ok, thanks for the input guys. I still think this is a viable option, but maybe I'm nuts... I think you guys have to think outside the box a bit more! Lol the area that I work in is pretty unique... there are literally hundreds of college students and young people that are walking around and pass my cart late night. There is 1 other hot dog place about a block from me and there will be another 1 set up when the weather breaks. There is no Denny's or any place like that in this area... I think some of you might be thinking I'm talking about a breakfast or lunch shift... I am talking extremely late night... 11 p.m. or later. I think I will give it a shot because so many are saying that won't work lol.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 6:30 PM
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A biscuit truck opened recently in Seattle....

http://www.seattlemet.com...eattle-biscuit-company

It would be fun to check it out when you have some time.

It would be really difficult to keep the biscuits good & fresh on a cart.




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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 6:30 PM
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Why not, keep the dogs and make room for the biscuits if it doesn't work what have you lost. Some people might not like burping dogs the morning after.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 7:05 PM
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Look momma! it's the biscuit man!

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 9:54 PM
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It's been a while but, I don't remember after a night of drinking - man I'm fitt'in for some sausage and gravy. Why so excited about sausage and gravy. There must be 50 more practical options. Drunks can't use SPORKS!

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 10:10 PM
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See CC? I'm ahead of my time! Ha!

Fresh biscuits won't be an issue at all...I'm thinking I can steam them and I already found a bakery that will make them 3 days a week. Worst case scenario I can freeze them...

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 10:12 PM
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Biscuits and gravy are HUGE for post night drinking Tristan...

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 10:17 PM
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We don't have many biscuits to be found here but ...SOS is right up there in late night/early morning Diner sales..after a night out. It makes waking-up easier.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 10:22 PM
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BpCBlake


dennys is much better.



chefbuba


You would have to have incredible fresh baked biscuits and an equally great sausage gravy, not pop & fresh with chef mate gravy from a can..
Stick with the dogs!
Like panther said, if I want b&g, I'm going to ihop, etc.



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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 10:23 PM
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SOS CC?

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 10:27 PM

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 10:29 PM
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djdawg,
 
Ever been around the military?
 
sh*t on a shingle...chipped beef and gravy on toast.  Navy version was ground beef in tomato sauce on toast.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Mon, 01/28/13 10:44 PM
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DJ Dawg Tags!

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 12:01 AM
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Awww yes! Ha ha

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 8:20 AM
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Aka creamed chipped beef on toast.

I make a delicious version (at home) served over warm soft pretzel nuggets.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 8:38 AM
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Nashville has The Biscuit Love Truck...

http://nashfoodtrucks.com...us/biscuit-love-truck/


Looks delicious and must be great if they get guys to order a sandwich called "The Princess"

http://www.eat-drink-smil...iscuit-love-truck.html
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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 11:00 AM
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First, would the HD allow this?
Have you worked out the logistics?
Can you keep the biscuits warm yet not soggy or dried out?
Would you make the gravy at the commisary from scratch right before you head out or ahead of time and refridgerate it or freeze it?
Can you keep the gravy "fresh" for 3 hours?
Would it be one big batch served until it's gone or would you be "refreshing" it as the hot stuff gets low?
How would you serve it? In a bowl? I'd be concerned about plastic forks breaking.
Do you have room to do this and dogs? I don't think I'd give up my dogs that I built my business around.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 1:38 PM
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jcheese


How would you serve it? In a bowl? I'd be concerned about plastic forks breaking.


 
This is my question too, it sounds like a mess to eat while walking around (plus half drunk)

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 1:54 PM
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If a biscuit smothered in gravy breaks a utensil....it's time to go back to the board on a biscuit recipe.

College kids don't really worry about making a mess.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 8:03 PM
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After the gravy soaks in it should be soft. A drunk may jump on it and be sloppy. Easy to break a tine off a fork and swallow it if you're cutting bites.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 8:21 PM
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Ellie Mae.
"I'm scared Paw!"

"I'll take care of it Jethro!"
CCinNJ


If a biscuit smothered in gravy breaks a utensil....it's time to go back to the board on a biscuit recipe.

College kids don't really worry about making a mess.



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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 9:08 PM
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Throw it in the cement pond!

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Tue, 01/29/13 9:23 PM
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Colleen,
I want to say that when I first posted here you and a couple of others I thought were you know what. Now that you guys losened up you have me in stitches sometimes.
 
Keep it coming please. Ha ha!

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 12:08 AM
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1 Drunk +1 Flimsey Plate  = 1 Mess you have to clean up after the night is over.
Can you envision a bunch of drunks with plates of Gravy---Suddenly, someone yells----FOODFIGHT!!!!
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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 12:39 AM
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"I love to get a pie in the face.....".....Soupy Sales.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 3:08 AM
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Oh my word the things you guys worry about. Lol My chili dogs are way messier than two biscuits in a boat with gravy.

Picked up the sample biscuits from the bakery tonight...made a small batch of gravy...holy crap it was delicious. I'm going to try it...

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 8:11 AM
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I believe in you DJ!!


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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 11:03 AM
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I really dont think the HD would allow this. You are from seattle yes? ( sorry, that would require me to go all the way back to the top of the first page, and that is a long way away, so im going to stick with the seattle thing)
I know in Spokane ( other side of the state) they would crap a brick if they found biscuits and gravy at a hot dog cart. Id be sure the triple check with them first. Aside from that, im all for trying new ideas, go get em

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 2:32 PM
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I can believe anything now.
I heard someone is doing sloppy dogs.
I can picture drunks eattting these.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 3:02 PM
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Why not put a couple link sausages in a bun and put the gravy on top? You could add cheese, bacon, some scrambled egg, and hot sauce...Russ

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 3:47 PM
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If you're able to do it...a plain cream gravy base with additions that are hot dog cart friendly to meat it up would give you a few optional routes.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 8:11 PM
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Remember, beer in one hand, food in other!
 

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 8:18 PM
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I don't know about biscuits, being from the NAWTH
 
But
I do know business planning
You got a good thing going with Dawgs, why give it up?
Introduce the biscuits(in addition) and see where it goes.  Folks know you now for Dawgs not breakfast
Don't let your Dawg business/quality falter for "the new idea"
Ask the folks that come to your place.  Most come now for Dawgs, but would they comes for other things?  Don't ask us..we don't eat your stuff.  You lose your customer base on "an idea whim", you gonna be selling that cart soon.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 8:28 PM
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If he can do it Bejeezus! try it on the slowest night on average.

No cart conversion. No major investment.

***One night only***

*maybe.


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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 01/30/13 8:39 PM
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There's even a freakin' BISCUIT BIKE in Portland!

http://www.seriouseats.co...n-portland-oregon.html

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 12:33 PM
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I've been thinking of an "HD work-around"
They don't allow raw meat and not sure about milk.
I got a packet of "Country Gravy" mix that my daughter swears by. Just add water. Also got some Jimmy Dean Sausage crumbles, pre-cooked and frozen. Can be totally made on the cart. Also got some frozen BM biscuits. I think they allow baking at home as long as you have a certificate stating that.(Met a lady selling muffins she made at home).
I had an invite to do a Farmers Market but turned it down because it starts at 7am and ends at 11. Not really "Hot Dog Prime Time" But was thinking of something more apropo for that time slot. Gravy from scratch would require me to be at the comm. at 4 or 5 in the morning.
Was thinking of doing a sausage dog with gravy. Buy frozen pre-cooked links on the way to job and heat on cart. Make the packet gravy on the spot and serve on a bun.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 3:06 PM
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Jack,
Let me know if this works for you eh?
Boo

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 3:34 PM
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Well, I made a batch. Real fast and easy and quite tasty. Wouldn't eat it on a regular basis cuz I can make my own. Homemade has a small window where it's perfect. I think this stuff would hold up for a few hours, seeing as it is mostly chemicals. Letting it sit on the stove now, gonna try it on a bratwurst on a roll.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 3:53 PM
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Mmmmm...... Nothing like a big heapin bowl full of "The Cow from Dow"

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 4:18 PM
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Does IHOP & Denny's start from scratch or use a mix?

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 4:36 PM
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After a lot of thought and consideration, I'm going to hold off on this for now.

I do have good crowds late night but as with anything, repeat business is where it's at and I'm not sure I have a large enough of a crowd to draw from to make it huge...I don't see people getting B&G multiple times a week like they do now with the dogs. I think this would fly at a special event like a festival, etc.


To answer...I'm not in Seattle...north of there. HD is fine with B&G...gravy would be made beforehand...no raw meat on cart.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 4:44 PM
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not sure about ihop, but dennys is made in a central kitchen and quick freezed for it's stores. KFC's gravy is a mix thou.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 11:38 PM
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Um...Frozen "BM biscuits"?
jcheese


I've been thinking of an "HD work-around"
They don't allow raw meat and not sure about milk.
I got a packet of "Country Gravy" mix that my daughter swears by. Just add water. Also got some Jimmy Dean Sausage crumbles, pre-cooked and frozen. Can be totally made on the cart. Also got some frozen BM biscuits. I think they allow baking at home as long as you have a certificate stating that.(Met a lady selling muffins she made at home).
I had an invite to do a Farmers Market but turned it down because it starts at 7am and ends at 11. Not really "Hot Dog Prime Time" But was thinking of something more apropo for that time slot. Gravy from scratch would require me to be at the comm. at 4 or 5 in the morning.
Was thinking of doing a sausage dog with gravy. Buy frozen pre-cooked links on the way to job and heat on cart. Make the packet gravy on the spot and serve on a bun.



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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Thu, 01/31/13 11:43 PM
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I'd like to solve the puzzle and say....

Buttermilk!

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Fri, 02/1/13 4:27 PM
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I agree about not giving up dogs. If you can squeeze in room for B&G, then try it.
My thoughts on early morning FM would be to start with Breakfast style then move into dogs. Another thought I had was "Breakfast Sliders"......A sausage patty on a dinner roll with maybe cheese and maybe gravy for dipping. Pre-cooked bacon can fit in here somewhere......not to mention Bacon Jam.
Not to drift too much....but I thought about OJ. Little packages are expensive, HD may not like a pitcher poured in a small cup. Then I thought.....fresh squeezed! Four oz for a buck, or part of a combo.
Gotta do the cost analisys, but maybe two sliders in a tray with gravy in the middle for dipping and OJ for 5 bucks.
FriedClamFanatic


I don't know about biscuits, being from the NAWTH

But
I do know business planning
You got a good thing going with Dawgs, why give it up?
Introduce the biscuits(in addition) and see where it goes.  Folks know you now for Dawgs not breakfast
Don't let your Dawg business/quality falter for "the new idea"
Ask the folks that come to your place.  Most come now for Dawgs, but would they comes for other things?  Don't ask us..we don't eat your stuff.  You lose your customer base on "an idea whim", you gonna be selling that cart soon.



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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Wed, 02/6/13 6:07 AM
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Foodbme


1 Drunk +1 Flimsey Plate  = 1 Mess you have to clean up after the night is over.
Can you envision a bunch of drunks with plates of Gravy---Suddenly, someone yells----FOODFIGHT!!!!

 
EXACTLY what I was thinking.  You don't want to lose a spot because the landlord/city bans you from selling because food was smeared across walls/cars.  If you can overcome this the first question is:
Will your HD allow this?  If so, what the heck.  Give it a try and see what happens.  Good Luck.  DD
EDIT ADD: Just realized you said you would hold off on this idea.  Why not "poll" your customers and see if THEY would like to see B & G?  Again GL.
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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Sun, 02/17/13 4:07 PM
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Ok, did a little messin' around.
Found some Banquet Pre-cooked Sausage Links (Frozen). Ten for $1.59
Two fit perfectly on a Hot Dog bun.
Found some Country Gravy Mix for $1.39, makes 3 1/2 cups, just add water.
Added Jimmy Dean Pre-cooked Sausage Crumbles to gravy.
One oz. of gravy covers the sausages pretty well w/o being too sloppy.
Voila!.....A one handed Sausage and Gravy Dog!
As is, tasted pretty good. Tweak a little with some sage, thyme and/or cayenne and can only get better.
I figured the cost to be about .55 per serving, depending on how much sausage you put in the gravy.
You should be able to get this OK'd by the HD. Meat is pre-cooked, gravy involves no dairy and can be made on the cart.
Now, I used my microwave to cook the meat, but it shouldn't be hard to do on cart.
Gravy recipe calls for boiling 2 cups water and mixing package with 1 cup water then mixing together. Was thinking of dumping frozen sausages in the boiling water for a minute or two to warm them up.Then throw on griddle to brown a bit. Would flavor "Sausage Gravy Water"
As for holding sausages....either in foil over a steam pan, or why not in the gravy? Flavor each other!
Shouldn't take up much pan space to try it, maybe a 1/3 pan.
No biscuits to bake and possibly no food fights.
And BTW, I usually make my own sausage, biscuits and gravy and wouldn't eat all the chemicals in the mix on a regular basis. Trying to satisfy the HD. Kinda ironic, isn't it?
Oh, and since the mix is so chemical laden, it holds up real well for hours.

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Re:CRAZY idea for late night! - Sun, 02/17/13 4:41 PM
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Sounds reasonable. Good luck!!!! Oh I am so happy not to be out drinking late night (I'm 66) but 40+ years ago I would have appreciated something like this. We did have White Castle and Denny's and that was it.