Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site?

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Phil from Philly
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Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 6:35 AM
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I've been seeing a lot of reviews recently like the one for Evo in North Charleston, SC.  It's featured on the main Roadfood.com page today.  There are a few nods to the local surroundings, like okra as a pizza topping, but an upscale wood-fired pizzeria in South Carolina definitely isn't Roadfood.  It looks like a great restaurant, but the whole point of Roadfood.com is to help travelers find traditional regional foods like BBQ, and reviews for restaurants that don't belong here are increasingly cluttering up the site.
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 7:14 AM
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A belated welcome to Roadfood, Phil! 

The term "Roadfood" is one of those things that means something different to everyone and there are probably almost as many interpretations as there are Roadfood members.  Yes, they do have a definition of sorts on the site but this subject comes up every few years and it seems that it is more of a template than a hard & fast definition.  As Ed Norton once famously told Ralph Kramden, "You can't fit a square peg into a round hole!"  And so it is with Roadfood.  There are so many great places with wonderful character, generations of dedicated families and amazing food that just don't fit neatly into a box. 
 
A great way to find lots of regional specialties is to read some of the Trip Reports of RFer "Wanderingjew".  He travels quite a bit and when he does he is a pretty strict regionalist and will only try the local specialties.  Terrific pictures, narrative and a bounty of regional foods to be found all over the USA in his write-ups. 
 
If you look at the restaurant listings for South Carolina, you'll see that most of them are places featuring regional specialties:  South Carolina barbeque, oysters, meat & three, shrimp & grits, she-crab soup, etc.  It seems like there is room on the site for the regional specialties AND other places that maybe don't specialize in regional foods. 
 
I'm curious as to why you feel the site is becoming cluttered.  Are you referring specifically to the restaurant reviews?  I surf Roadfood quite a bit and have always been able to find places featuring regional specialties with relative ease.  If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.  Happy Eating! 
-billyboy

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 7:48 AM
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I thank Billyboy for the nod.
 
I hate to take credit for being a strict regionalist, however the only reason why I am is because I follow the The Stern's "pre website" roadfood books of strict regionalism.
 
Although to me, the The Stern's will always "own" the concept of Roadfood, they  have always been open to their readers suggestions had a whole new world open up when they launched the Roadfood website. As a result  roadfooders like Ayersian and Bruce Bilmes  have assisted in "re-vamping" and "updating" the definition of "roadfood" with their tremendous contributions.
In addition to that, unfortunately with the "wal-mall-ification of America and a desire over the last couple of decades for certain parts of the country to "want to fit in" with whats hip and trendy many regiional specialties  have simply died out....
 
So although I "prefer" to stand with tradition,  I do relent that "roadfood" now has a much broader definition than it used to......

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 12:30 PM
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Sometimes while "on the road" there aren't regionally represented foods to be had.
 
I hope I can find good, interesting or "write home about" things to eat when traveling. 
 
With the help of others here, I can often find them.  Nothing wrong with a wood fired pizza in South Carolina if it's outstanding.
 
For regionally specific.. Wanderingjew is the source.
 
Fast Food and chains are also important because at times you might be in a city or gas stop (while on the road) where they the only thing that are available.
 
Roadfood is not a finite entity...  it's a guide.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 1:19 PM
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mar52


For regionally specific.. Wanderingjew is the source.

Fast Food and chains are also important because at times you might be in a city or gas stop (while on the road) where they the only thing that are available.

Roadfood is not a finite entity...  it's a guide.

Why thank, you,  Mar,
 
Regarding fast food and chains, I have to disagree, I haven't resorted to stopping at a fast food restaurant or chain restaurant in many, many years while I'm on the road.....There are plenty of local restaurants to be found, again besides roadfood, yelp, chowhound and urbanspoon are great sources

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 2:29 PM
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We've run out of and through all the old restaurants. Though the Northeasters will argue with you, you can now get  a fabulous pizza in SC, or AZ, or OR... 
or Iowa .
You can get BBQ in NYC. We're a mobile society 30 years on from the first RF books, and people have taken their regional food with them as they've migrated across this great country.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 2:35 PM
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Michael Stern wrote the review for Evo.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 2:39 PM
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1bbqboy
you can now get  a fabulous pizza in SC, or AZ, or OR... 
or Iowa .

or Atlanta

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 3:02 PM
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mar52


Sometimes while "on the road" there aren't regionally represented foods to be had.

I hope I can find good, interesting or "write home about" things to eat when traveling. 

This is what I was going to say. Many regions simply do not have "regional food". So unless we include places like diners (just as an example...you cannot tell me breakfast is regional, with the possible exception of scrapple or grits), what are we to do when we find ourselves on the road in places that have no definitive cuisine? Me, I'm excited as heck when I find a really good regional specialty outside its traditional home, because that means not only do I not have to travel somewhere I am not to eat it, but that odds are really good it is being served in a Roadfood-worthy establishment, most often by a restaurant owner or chef who came from wherever the food does. I think that's neat.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 4:39 PM
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1bbqboy


We've run out of and through all the old restaurants. Though the Northeasters will argue with you, you can now get  a fabulous pizza in SC, or AZ, or OR... 
or Iowa .
You can get BBQ in NYC. We're a mobile society 30 years on from the first RF books, and people have taken their regional food with them as they've migrated across this great country.

 
And that's wonderful for the locals. Believe me, here in Rhode Island I do just about everything but  the iconic Rhode Island specialties (which I still do on occasion) however my traveling is limited, so I'd rather eat what's unique rather than get something that I can find "right across the street"at home...
 
felix4067
 
This is what I was going to say. Many regions simply do not have "regional food". So unless we include places like diners (just as an example...you cannot tell me breakfast is regional, with the possible exception of scrapple or grits), 
 
 
 
Quiz me, 
I think you may be in for a huge surprise

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 5:35 PM
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I've been seeing a lot of reviews recently like the one for Evo in North Charleston, SC.  It's featured on the main Roadfood.com page today.  There are a few nods to the local surroundings, like okra as a pizza topping, but an upscale wood-fired pizzeria in South Carolina definitely isn't Roadfood.  It looks like a great restaurant, but the whole point of Roadfood.com is to help travelers find traditional regional foods like BBQ, and reviews for restaurants that don't belong here are increasingly cluttering up the site.

 
I was a newbie too at one point.


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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 5:38 PM
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felix4067
 
This is what I was going to say. Many regions simply do not have "regional food". So unless we include places like diners (just as an example...you cannot tell me breakfast is regional, with the possible exception of scrapple or grits), 

 

Quiz me, 
I think you may be in for a huge surprise

My area leaps to mind. I've lived here for more than 40 years, and I honestly can't think of one thing that would qualify. Unless you want to stretch it to include freshwater fish, but that's available lots of places. I would love you to prove me wrong, by the way. I'm always up for learning new things, especially when it comes to food. I just can't see West Michigan having anything that differentiates us from anywhere else in the midwest.  Heck...let's expand it to all of Michigan, in which case you can tell me about cherries from Traverse City, fudge from Mackinac Island, Coney dogs from Detroit and smoked whitefish from the UP...all of which are a minimum four-hour drive away. We're closer to Chicago than any of those.
 
As for breakfast...eggs, bacon, sausage, toast, pancakes...not so regional. Like I said, there are exceptions, but for the most part eggs are eggs.
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 6:36 PM
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felix4067


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felix4067
 
This is what I was going to say. Many regions simply do not have "regional food". So unless we include places like diners (just as an example...you cannot tell me breakfast is regional, with the possible exception of scrapple or grits), 

 

Quiz me, 
I think you may be in for a huge surprise

My area leaps to mind. I've lived here for more than 40 years, and I honestly can't think of one thing that would qualify. Unless you want to stretch it to include freshwater fish, but that's available lots of places. I would love you to prove me wrong, by the way. I'm always up for learning new things, especially when it comes to food. I just can't see West Michigan having anything that differentiates us from anywhere else in the midwest.  Heck...let's expand it to all of Michigan, in which case you can tell me about cherries from Traverse City, fudge from Mackinac Island, Coney dogs from Detroit and smoked whitefish from the UP...all of which are a minimum four-hour drive away. We're closer to Chicago than any of those.

As for breakfast...eggs, bacon, sausage, toast, pancakes...not so regional. Like I said, there are exceptions, but for the most part eggs are eggs.

 
You are correct, I couldn't tell you anything about Grand Rapids specifically, however those are the items I had in mind with Michigan, however "freshwater fish" is as regional to Grand Rapids as the breaded pork tenderloin (which can be found between the I80 and I90 corridor between Indiana eastern Nebraska and Missouri is as regional to "Indianapolis"
 
Regarding breakfast......
Where can I start....
Fish Cakes and Beans in New England? or perhaps Muffins in Northern New England, yes, the Sterns have called Northern New England the Muffin belt and I can certainly see why after experiencing the best of the best in Maine and Vermont.....Speaking of Vermont- Real Maple Syrup and Pancakes.?  Heading to my neck of the woods- Jonny Cakes, or maybe some eggs, linguica (or chourice) with some portuguese bread which you can wash  down with coffee milk....Perhaps some lox eggs and onions with a bagel in NYC? or Chipped Beef and Toast in the Mid Atlantic?  Don't get me started on the South. Country ham in the mid south? or perhaps Biscuits and Red Eye Gravy?  Fat Back or Fried Bologna with those cat head biscuits and saw mill gravy?  Heading down to New Orleans- debris and eggs? Or you can substitute Migas in Texas, speaking of Texas you can also order that chicken fried steak too instead of bacon or sausage. Perhaps  some Carne Adovada in New Mexico or in the Dessert Southwest, Huevos Ranchero or some fried bread too or warm tortillas. In Utah- scones with honey butter....Speaking of scones, I've yet to have any that are nearly as good as those in the Pacific Northwest....Avocado with your eggs in So Cal, or perhaps fresh baked Granola or head up north to the Bay Area for some fresh sourdough and a hangtown fry......I haven't even gotten to the midwest. Iowa and their cinnamon buns, Wild rice omelets and pancakes in Minnesota or perhaps some Swedish Pancakes with lingonberries. And don't forget Hopfel Popfel (spelling?) in Milwaukee or some Goetta in Cincinnati and Slingers and Gooey Butter Cakes in St Louis
 
Need I go on?

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 7:29 PM
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I stand corrected on breakfast!
 
I guess it depends on your definition of regional as far as Michigan (or probably a lot of other places) are concerned. To me, West Michigan is a region and it goes well beyond Grand Rapids, which sits pretty much in the middle. But it takes about five hours to drive it from top to bottom, and about three hours to drive it side to side. The rest of the state isn't regional to me, since it's further away than that. Fair point about the breaded pork tenderloin and freshwater fish!
 
My reasoning for the whole state not being regional to here, though, is that almost none of those things are served here. Yeah, you can buy Mackinac Island fudge, but it was made last week and you have to go to the Made in Michigan store at the mall (if it's even still there, I haven't been in years). You can get a Coney dog, but it's made with canned chili. Smoked whitefish or a pasty? Not a chance. It's no different from buying those things in other states.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 7:39 PM
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Hey, I enjoy an open-face turkey sandwich with mashed potatos, gravy, and bacon-laced green beans as much as anyone - right down to the dollop of cranberry gel with the can marks still on it. 
 
But, to me, if there is no tablecloth and/or no more than 3 utensils provided initially, it's "Roadfood". 
 
Therefore, Evo's is Roadfood.  Q.E.D.
 
(Years ago I "discovered" Neopolitan-style pizza at Faccia Luna, an 'Evo's-like" place in State College, PA.  And it was fantastic.  As this was before the "net", I discovered it totally by accident; the business honorary who had invited me to speak took me there after my presentation.  I was on the road and they served food; therefore:  Roadfood!).
 

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 8:34 PM
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Thanks to everyone for the replies.  I'm a longtime reader of the site, but I don't venture into the forums much.
 
wanderingjew


And that's wonderful for the locals. Believe me, here in Rhode Island I do just about everything but  the iconic Rhode Island specialties (which I still do on occasion) however my traveling is limited, so I'd rather eat what's unique rather than get something that I can find "right across the street"at home... 
 
 
 
Amen to that! If I lived in Charleston, I'd probably want to try this place, but when I'm on a road trip to SC, give me grits, BBQ, Low Country food, etc!

billyboy


A belated welcome to Roadfood, Phil! 

The term "Roadfood" is one of those things that means something different to everyone and there are probably almost as many interpretations as there are Roadfood members.  Yes, they do have a definition of sorts on the site but this subject comes up every few years and it seems that it is more of a template than a hard & fast definition.  As Ed Norton once famously told Ralph Kramden, "You can't fit a square peg into a round hole!"  And so it is with Roadfood.  There are so many great places with wonderful character, generations of dedicated families and amazing food that just don't fit neatly into a box. 

A great way to find lots of regional specialties is to read some of the Trip Reports of RFer "Wanderingjew".  He travels quite a bit and when he does he is a pretty strict regionalist and will only try the local specialties.  Terrific pictures, narrative and a bounty of regional foods to be found all over the USA in his write-ups. 

If you look at the restaurant listings for South Carolina, you'll see that most of them are places featuring regional specialties:  South Carolina barbeque, oysters, meat & three, shrimp & grits, she-crab soup, etc.  It seems like there is room on the site for the regional specialties AND other places that maybe don't specialize in regional foods. 

I'm curious as to why you feel the site is becoming cluttered.  Are you referring specifically to the restaurant reviews?  I surf Roadfood quite a bit and have always been able to find places featuring regional specialties with relative ease.  If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know.  Happy Eating! 
-billyboy

I am referring to the restaurant reviews - while I can find regional specialties easily in spite of non-regional restaurants being mixed in, regional cuisine is why I come here.  Anything that doesn't fit the Roadfood theme is cluttering up the site.  If you just want to find the best restaurants in Charleston, there are plenty of other restaurant review sites out there .  If you want shrimp & grits, she-crab soup, etc, you check Roadfood.com!

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 9:06 PM
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Interesting topic. The definitions have certainly changed very much. I trend to be more of the "representing the region" by what is made. IMO, if a pizza in the southeast is topped with fried okra, they are creating a regional specialty. Out here in the west, we have now the "Sonora Dog" or what ever each particular place calls it. You ask, how can hot dogs and bacon be regional, since they are popular all over, but it took someone in a certain area to come up with the combo that is now identified with the southwest. I think that is what is so unique about the Roadfood concept, that regions are still creating their own dishes. I don't see the problem of dishes or styles of places migrating either----if a certain type of eatery can work well in another, so be it. The other questions, what constitutes regional, is interesting also. That's why we can have a whole state's worth of Texas barbecue, but different regional styles in east and west North Carolina. Out here, the "Santa Maria Barbecue" for the most part is confined to a medium sized valley. 
I think in the long run that's what's breathing new life into the Roadfood concept. As food travels, we are seeing techniques from one area show up in another. Often times, they have great results. After all, a lot of us would really miss out if someone, someplace, hadn't thought to combine Louis Lunch's New Haven Hamburger with some San Antonio Chili. 

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Mon, 02/4/13 10:04 PM
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I've been seeing a lot of reviews recently like the one for Evo in North Charleston, SC.  It's featured on the main Roadfood.com page today.  There are a few nods to the local surroundings, like okra as a pizza topping, but an upscale wood-fired pizzeria in South Carolina definitely isn't Roadfood.  It looks like a great restaurant, but the whole point of Roadfood.com is to help travelers find traditional regional foods like BBQ, and reviews for restaurants that don't belong here are increasingly cluttering up the site.


I was a newbie too at one point.


Yes joe you were and now after 9 years we are stuck with ya! 
You should head over to Mobile Presidents day weekend

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 1:57 AM
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Phil from Philly

-----"the whole point of Roadfood.com is to help travelers find traditional regional foods like BBQ, and reviews for restaurants that don't belong here are increasingly cluttering up the site."

I'm not sure how or where you got the credentials to decide what belongs here and what doesn't and what constitutes clutter.
Suffice to say that if you read every forum and every post there are more what could be described as roadfood places discussed than anything else.
Suggest you start with "New Jersey Hot Dogs"!

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 7:47 AM
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Phil from Philly

-----"the whole point of Roadfood.com is to help travelers find traditional regional foods like BBQ, and reviews for restaurants that don't belong here are increasingly cluttering up the site."

I'm not sure how or where you got the credentials to decide what belongs here and what doesn't and what constitutes clutter.
Suffice to say that if you read every forum and every post there are more what could be described as roadfood places discussed than anything else.
Suggest you start with "New Jersey Hot Dogs"!

 
It took 18 posts before someone decided to put this poster "in his place".  I've seen numerous posts from old timers here complaining about "slippage" of the subject matter, and I think that type of discussion is important for the community because it's old friends talking to old friends.  However, I feel that a newbie coming here and complaining about a review from Michael Stern, and then using it as a commentary against the site, is an attack, not a constructive criticism.  Phil, if you're not happy with the reviews or you're not happy with what you see at Roadfood.com in general, there is an alternative for you.   

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 8:51 AM
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Foodbme-
Phil does clarify above that he is referring to the official restaurant reviews, not the forums.
 
jman-
I could not disagree with you more.  He has every right to come here and state his opinion, which I feel he did in a respectful way and not in an attack. 
 
Phil has been a registered member here for over four years.  It is apparent from what he wrote that he actually does use the restaurant review database to find regional places to eat while he is traveling.   That makes me pay attention to his opinion more than his post count.       

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 8:52 AM
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felix4067
 
And don't even get me started on Beignets and Cafe Au Lait in New Orleans, toasted cuban bread and butter with cafe con leche in South Florida or Trenton Pork Roll in New Jersey for that matter...
 
 
Phil From Philly
 
don't let other "posters" detract you just ignore them.  You brought up a very worthy topic and I look forward to your future comments...
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 10:58 AM
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Trenton Pork Roll?

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 4:13 PM
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Trenton Pork Roll?


Also known as Taylor Pork Roll

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 5:29 PM
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That's what I always buy.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 8:37 PM
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The problem with roadfood is that when the Sterns started this venture there were still longtime regional restaurants serving unique foods to their region. Fast food, chains, TV, Internet, mobility, etc. is quickly wiping out regionalism. What's good gets spread around. Then there are few people opening up independent diners and cafes with a "roadfood" flavor. What is opening up are "chef driven" restaurants at a higher end more dinner oriented. Those restaurants are busy designing menus to harken a local flavor and bent. I wouldn't call them roadfood in the old traditional sense but they are independent and locally owned. Also regions are changing. The Minneapolis/St. Paul Twin Cities area had a huge influx of Southeast Asians (mainly Hmong) and Somalis. Those restaurants are serving unique foods that are hard to find in other regions and they are becoming dominant. Just read the local talk on Chowhound to confirm that. Ya, you betcha, the Twin Cities is changing. Few Minnesotans today even know about let alone tasted lefse and lutefisk and lingonberries are mostly sold at Ikea.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 10:11 PM
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The problem with roadfood is that when the Sterns started this venture there were still longtime regional restaurants serving unique foods to their region. Fast food, chains, TV, Internet, mobility, etc. is quickly wiping out regionalism. What's good gets spread around. Then there are few people opening up independent diners and cafes with a "roadfood" flavor. What is opening up are "chef driven" restaurants at a higher end more dinner oriented. Those restaurants are busy designing menus to harken a local flavor and bent. I wouldn't call them roadfood in the old traditional sense but they are independent and locally owned. Also regions are changing. The Minneapolis/St. Paul Twin Cities area had a huge influx of Southeast Asians (mainly Hmong) and Somalis. Those restaurants are serving unique foods that are hard to find in other regions and they are becoming dominant. Just read the local talk on Chowhound to confirm that. Ya, you betcha, the Twin Cities is changing. Few Minnesotans today even know about let alone tasted lefse and lutefisk and lingonberries are mostly sold at Ikea.

 
Barring lutefisk, (which I think  I still think should be considered a form of torture) I proved in my "heartlanding though the breadbasket" trip report that the traditional stuff is very much alive and well.... Many of the local cafes that didn't  (and don't) have websites do have facebook pages  and there's lotsa hotdish to be dished out....
BTW, my experiences with Scandinavian food have been nothing but favorable- comfort food at its best. For the life of me I can't imagine why it could possibly be disappearing.
 
I do agree though at least  in they  NYC area, other than a few tourist oriented Jewish  delis that are left, the locals have all moved on to Asian, Caribbean, West African and Latin American food. 
 
BTW, we have plenty of hmong here in Rhode Island and we have several Hmong restaurants- no big whoop
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 10:20 PM
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Twenty years ago you couldn't find an Italian beef sandwich outside of the Chicago area but that certainly has changed. Thanks to the Internet and Food Network-type shows, Chicagoland's best-kept culinary secret isn't a secret anymore. Italian beef sandwiches, as well as Chicago-style hot dogs, can now be found from coast to coast. Look at Portillo's and Al's #1 Beef; Portillo's has a couple of outlets in southern California, and Al's recently opened a location in Athens GA and will soon open up in San Jose and Las Vegas. The concept of regional has certainly changed since the Sterns' first book back in the '70s.
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Tue, 02/5/13 10:53 PM
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wanderingjew, 
I really wonder why Scandinavian food has all but disappeared. Out here in CA, where when I was growing up there were several decent Scandinavian restaurants, the only places left it seems are the Danish places in Solvang (Little Denmark) and the Swedish places in Kingsburg (Little Sweden). Outside of that, I can't find Scandinavian food at all any more. I went to a place in Kingsburg a few months ago called the Stockholm Bakery and Cafe and it was such a treat to have a Swedish lunch. I don't know if it's just not "exotic" enough for people today or what the reason is, but it is a shame that it has all but disappeared. 
 
Carolina Bob,
You're right. Portillo's in Buena Park is a once a month treat for me. I have turned several friends on to it and everyone loves it. In fact, now you have me thinking of an Italian beef......I may have to go there on Thursday. Being able to enjoy something like that here is a treat indeed.
 
Davydd,
You hit on a lot of good points. A few months ago I went to Portland and spent a day with Mr. Chips going to several road food-type places. I think things are alive and well. One of the highlights was the Cameo Cafe that we went to for breakfast. Mr. Chips had a huge blueberry pancake and bacon. I had a huge Korean pancake, with a side of bacon too.I also had the house-made kimchi. Everything was delicious. Like everything else, Roadfood is changing, but there are still plenty of old standbys and I am learning to enjoy the new places too that take regional influences and combine them with concepts from people who have moved here from other countries and combined their foods with ours to make new, unique regional styles.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Wed, 02/6/13 12:35 AM
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buffetbuster

Foodbme-
Phil does clarify above that he is referring to the official restaurant reviews, not the forums.

I think my same comment would apply.
If you look at the TOTAL body of work in the Restaurant Reviews, you would find many more what you could call "Traditional Roadfood" places reviewed than any other lkind.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Wed, 02/6/13 7:24 AM
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Foodbme
 

Phil from Philly
 
-----"the whole point of Roadfood.com is to help travelers find traditional regional foods like BBQ, and reviews for restaurants that don't belong here are increasingly cluttering up the site." 
 
I'm not sure how or where you got the credentials to decide what belongs here and what doesn't and what constitutes clutter. 
Suffice to say that if you read every forum and every post there are more what could be described as roadfood places discussed than anything else. 
Suggest you start with "New Jersey Hot Dogs"! 


It took 18 posts before someone decided to put this poster "in his place".  I've seen numerous posts from old timers here complaining about "slippage" of the subject matter, and I think that type of discussion is important for the community because it's old friends talking to old friends.  However, I feel that a newbie coming here and complaining about a review from Michael Stern, and then using it as a commentary against the site, is an attack, not a constructive criticism.  Phil, if you're not happy with the reviews or you're not happy with what you see at Roadfood.com in general, there is an alternative for you.   

I don't mean to attack the site, and I'm a huge fan of it.  I kept the tone constructive, and I didn't attack the restaurant or the reviewer.  I questioned whether reviews of restaurants that don't fit the site's theme belong here, and I don't claim to be the sole arbiter of what does and doesn't count as Roadfood - I picked what I thought was a blatant example, but several posters made good arguments for its inclusion. 
Davydd

The problem with roadfood is that when the Sterns started this venture there were still longtime regional restaurants serving unique foods to their region. Fast food, chains, TV, Internet, mobility, etc. is quickly wiping out regionalism. What's good gets spread around. Then there are few people opening up independent diners and cafes with a "roadfood" flavor. What is opening up are "chef driven" restaurants at a higher end more dinner oriented. Those restaurants are busy designing menus to harken a local flavor and bent. I wouldn't call them roadfood in the old traditional sense but they are independent and locally owned. Also regions are changing. The Minneapolis/St. Paul Twin Cities area had a huge influx of Southeast Asians (mainly Hmong) and Somalis. Those restaurants are serving unique foods that are hard to find in other regions and they are becoming dominant. Just read the local talk on Chowhound to confirm that. Ya, you betcha, the Twin Cities is changing. Few Minnesotans today even know about let alone tasted lefse and lutefisk and lingonberries are mostly sold at Ikea. 

If Somali food is characteristic of the Twin Cities, and hard to find elsewhere, it makes sense to include here.  I maintain that an upscale pizzeria is a sign of an increasingly suburbanizing South that's losing its character, but several of you posted well-thought-out arguments for why this review should be included.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Wed, 02/6/13 8:17 AM
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Somalian restaurants can be found in several large cities.
 
I know Seattle has  several of them and so does DC, they aren't unique  to the Twin Cities.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Wed, 02/6/13 9:50 PM
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I have avoided posting on this thread to see how the flow would go, but now I wish to add my $ .02.
 
Yes the defintion of RF is "defined" by the Sterns and has held fairly true for many years.  We as a society have changed as did the time and cultures.  So now the definition is a unique "opinion" per every person.
 
Regionalism - is a shrinking item, in such as the way we view it.  Food items have changed and migrated over time and place to place.  What was once found strictly in 1 region can now be found in other regions.
 
Case in point:  Look at the expansion of BBQ and the changes that have taken place to it over the many years.  Pork and Beef were the staples, now there is chicken and ribs and fish and mutton, sauces changed and reside in regional locations, but BBQ is no longer strictly a southern or Texas thing.
 
I know WJ tries to stay true tot he regionalism as defined by the original definition, but he also sees that across the country that we as a food loving culture have expanded and blended regions, sometimes creating totally new creations, other times just changing details (like sauce).  I have always valued WJ opinions and love his devotion for maintaining a closeness to the original.
 
I love finding the mom and pop out of the main stream places, sampling the locals take on the food they created.  I know here in middle tennesee there has been a huge influx of hispanic peoples and that has caused the food scene to change to include them.  In LA there is a large vietnamese population, and I think of LA for not only being cajun and creole, but also for the vietnamese/asian style of cooking.
 
They great part about roadfood is that we are a living breathing community, that enjoy the good things in life, and enjoy searching them out and sharing with the others.  I drool over WJ and BB trip reports or Ayersian's ice cream adventures, or Billyboys escapades through NYC.  I miss being able to get out as much as I used to, but when I do I love exploring and adventuring to places known and unknown.
 
As for the original posters comments about EVO, not every review I agree with, but I feel that times and locations are ever changing and therefore the defintion of Roadfood is ever evolving too.  What might not have made it "Roadfood" in the past, makes it "Roadfood" now because the times and traditions around Charlestown have changed.
 
 
 
 
 

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A few things about my home area and then some other more general comments.
      Portland's recent development as a a food tourist center has led to a lot of local commentary about why this is so .And some of it is stuff that is at the heart of the road food debate.
      Portland is known for salmon but most chefs here don't serve all that much salmon anymore. They serve many variations of pork dishes because it is cheaper than salmon and there are excellent abattoirs that serve exceptional local pork. Chefs are more inclined to work with local meats, fruits vegetables, and wines and no tavern in Portland can survive without local microbrews on tap. Coffee roasting is also done by locals. Cheap Vietnamese sandwich shops are now as important to road food type places in Portland  as Jewish delis are/ were to New York.
          Roadfood has won in Portland (and I believe in much of America). Chefs here make great sandwiches, great hamburgers, interesting ice cream and other American traditional foods and are as creative as anybody. And places like the Cameo Cafe mentioned by Ed Sails here serve excellent combinations of American traditional foods along with international additions that serve to make these American standards even better. These
 dishes that are as good as anything made in the past.
        My road food philosophy is very simple"Good is Good" and good food should be eaten and reviewed on road food. An excellent Hungarian place in Albany,  Oregon is a find and a great experience and sheld be shared here. Hamburgers
are a national food and just because you can get a good hamburger in Fort Wayne or Providence does not mean a roadfooder would not be interested in a good hamburger in Los Angeles, Meedford. or Chico when traveling  
           I guess I agree with Davvydd a lot. Portland has a large vietnamese population of long standing and, like Minneapolis , has a large population of creative chefs who frequently take American classics, upgrade the ingredients and turn out burgers, Mac and Cheese, sandwiches and other items that are creative and tasty, the essence of road food. Our standards evolve and change. I am much less tolerant of inferior beer and coffee than when I first started reading road food books and respectfully I have never seen the distinction between road food books and website reviews. I love this place and just wish I had contributed more.
       Phil from Philly, thank you for opening this topic. An opinion that is well reasoned is always welcome and i hope to hear more from you. And i must say that Michael's review  of southern pizza place with unusual toppings was a feature of the pre website days as well. There was a place in Lafayette, Louisiana called Dean-O that he reviewed in one of the books that featured pizza with crawfish topping which I remember very well and i recall how good the pizza was and not being very worried about how regional the dish was.
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Wed, 02/6/13 11:01 PM
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You know Don, I'm really going to miss seeing you in Mobile.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Thu, 02/7/13 4:15 AM
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Anyone of our New York or Chicago Glee Clubbers "know a guy who knows a guy" that will "gently" persuade Don to join us?

 
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Thu, 02/7/13 6:47 AM
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mr chips


 Cheap Vietnamese sandwich shops are now as important to road food type places in Portland  as Jewish delis are to New York.
  

 
Mr Chips, 
 
As a native New Yorker who can back up my statement, comparing Vietnamese sandwich shops to something that is 
A- Past it's prime
B- dying (or dead depending on who you speak with)
C- Caters to tourists
Is probably not a good thing....
 
 

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Thu, 02/7/13 6:14 PM
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MH & Edsails
I would love to be there in Mobile, and Thank you both.
The "Glee Club" meet ups are (as barney says) "Legned....... Wait for it...... DAIRY!!!"
 
Right now I am just focused on getting dad out of the hospital and back to "normal"

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Thu, 02/7/13 8:08 PM
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wanderingjew


mr chips


Cheap Vietnamese sandwich shops are now as important to road food type places in Portland  as Jewish delis are to New York.
 


Mr Chips, 

As a native New Yorker who can back up my statement, comparing Vietnamese sandwich shops to something that is 
A- Past it's prime
B- dying (or dead depending on who you speak with)
C- Caters to tourists
Is probably not a good thing....




Sad to hear that.  There are a bunch of Jewish delis around me that do well, supported by a large Jewish population in the Philly area (as well as people like me who just can't get enough corned beef).  Are most of the NYC Jewish delis in former Jewish neighborhoods that have since been taken over by more recent immigrants?
 
I wonder if South Philly's Italian Market might suffer a similar fate in the years to come.  The area is getting an influx of both new ethnic groups and yuppies, and a lot of the natives have married non-Italians and/or moved to the suburbs.  The area still has a lot of authenticity, but I would hate to see it turn into a Disneyfied tourist attraction in the future.

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Roadfood to me is, Great Food, Prepared by Great people who care. I could care less about the rest, I just want Great Food..........pnwc

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Thu, 02/7/13 8:32 PM
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pnwchef


Roadfood to me is, Great Food, Prepared by Great people who care. I could care less about the rest, I just want Great Food..........pnwc

Yep.


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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Thu, 02/7/13 9:01 PM
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Phil from Philly


wanderingjew


mr chips


Cheap Vietnamese sandwich shops are now as important to road food type places in Portland  as Jewish delis are to New York.


Mr Chips, 

As a native New Yorker who can back up my statement, comparing Vietnamese sandwich shops to something that is 
A- Past it's prime
B- dying (or dead depending on who you speak with)
C- Caters to tourists
Is probably not a good thing....




Sad to hear that.  There are a bunch of Jewish delis around me that do well, supported by a large Jewish population in the Philly area (as well as people like me who just can't get enough corned beef).  Are most of the NYC Jewish delis in former Jewish neighborhoods that have since been taken over by more recent immigrants?

I wonder if South Philly's Italian Market might suffer a similar fate in the years to come.  The area is getting an influx of both new ethnic groups and yuppies, and a lot of the natives have married non-Italians and/or moved to the suburbs.  The area still has a lot of authenticity, but I would hate to see it turn into a Disneyfied tourist attraction in the future.

 
First of all I love Jewish Deli. Being in my late 40's that's considered a rarity for someone in my age group. And I'm probably more upset than you in the decline.
 
The decline of the Jewish Deli probably began well over 30 years ago. NYC has a huge Jewish Population but those who supported the Jewish Delis and made them thrive have simply passed on.  The current generation simply prefers something that's newer, as one of my friends put it, going to Jewish Deli's remind them of their grand parents and as much as they loved there grandparents, they don't want to be their grandparents. Nowadays typical NYC roadfood consistes of restaurants with West African, Latin American, Carribean and Asian influences so yes, in a way, there are new immigrants but at the same time, "the delis are just not cool, hip and trendy"......There are only a few Jewish Delis in the city and those in the suburbs seem to thrive more as caterers for special event but even those delis are starting to go out of business.  
 
Maybe the average age of the jewish population in PHilly is older than that in the NYC area?
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Thu, 02/7/13 10:10 PM
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I love Jewish Delicatessens.  I often go to them... with my mother or family.
 
My friends who aren't Jewish don't like them as much.
 
I just don't find kishka, knishes or chopped liver sandwiches on rye at other restaurants.
 
They have a place and I hope that they remain.
 
it would be a sad day without them.
 
 

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The decline of the Jewish Deli probably began well over 30 70 years ago.



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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Thu, 02/7/13 11:46 PM
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When I was growing up in L.A., Fairfax Avenue had Canter's (always touristy and show biz) the Bagel, the Stage and probably 10 small 4 table delis, some just counter places without even seating.There were a few that were strictly fish even. Last year when I went up there, not even the small places were left. Canter's has never been an option for me. The area where the Bagel and Stage were is now primarily Ethiopian restaurants. At least in L.A., I'd split the difference and say 45 years ago is when the delis started to disappear on Fairfax.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Fri, 02/8/13 7:44 AM
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wanderingjew


Phil from Philly


wanderingjew


mr chips


Cheap Vietnamese sandwich shops are now as important to road food type places in Portland  as Jewish delis are to New York.


Mr Chips, 

As a native New Yorker who can back up my statement, comparing Vietnamese sandwich shops to something that is 
A- Past it's prime
B- dying (or dead depending on who you speak with)
C- Caters to tourists
Is probably not a good thing....




Sad to hear that.  There are a bunch of Jewish delis around me that do well, supported by a large Jewish population in the Philly area (as well as people like me who just can't get enough corned beef).  Are most of the NYC Jewish delis in former Jewish neighborhoods that have since been taken over by more recent immigrants?

I wonder if South Philly's Italian Market might suffer a similar fate in the years to come.  The area is getting an influx of both new ethnic groups and yuppies, and a lot of the natives have married non-Italians and/or moved to the suburbs.  The area still has a lot of authenticity, but I would hate to see it turn into a Disneyfied tourist attraction in the future.


First of all I love Jewish Deli. Being in my late 40's that's considered a rarity for someone in my age group. And I'm probably more upset than you in the decline.

The decline of the Jewish Deli probably began well over 30 years ago. NYC has a huge Jewish Population but those who supported the Jewish Delis and made them thrive have simply passed on.  The current generation simply prefers something that's newer, as one of my friends put it, going to Jewish Deli's remind them of their grand parents and as much as they loved there grandparents, they don't want to be their grandparents. Nowadays typical NYC roadfood consistes of restaurants with West African, Latin American, Carribean and Asian influences so yes, in a way, there are new immigrants but at the same time, "the delis are just not cool, hip and trendy"......There are only a few Jewish Delis in the city and those in the suburbs seem to thrive more as caterers for special event but even those delis are starting to go out of business.  

Maybe the average age of the jewish population in PHilly is older than that in the NYC area?

 
Most of the Jewish delis around me are newer businesses; I can't think of any ancient institutions like The Stage or Katz's.  You commented earlier in the thread about only having classic Rhode Island food once in a while - I suspect NYC people consider Jewish deli food passe, while older suburban Philly Jews might see it as comfort food from their youth.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Fri, 02/8/13 8:03 AM
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A few things about my home area and then some other more general comments.
    Portland's freest arrival as a a food tourist center has led to a lot of local commentary about why this is so.And some of it is stuff that is at the heart of the road food debate.
    Portland is known for salmon but most chefs here don't serve all that much salmon anymore. They serve many variations of pork dishes because it is cheaper than salmon and there are excellent abattoirs that serve exceptional local meat.. Chefs are more inclined to work with local meats, fruits vegetables, and wines and no tavern in Portland can survive without local microbrews on tape. Coffee roasting is also done by local. Cheap Vietnamese sandwich shops are now as important to road food type places in Portland  as Jewish delis are to New York.
        Roadfood has won in Portland (and I believe in much of America). Chefs here make great sandwiches, great hamburgers, interesting ice cream and other American traditional foods and are as creative as anybody. And places like the Cameo Cafe mentioned by Ed Sails here serve excellent combinations of American traditional foods along with international additions that serve to make these American standards even better. These
dishes that are as good as anything made in the past.
      My road food philosophy is very simple"Good is Good and should be eaten and reviewed on road food. An excellent Hungarian place in Albany,  Oregon is a find and a great experience. Hamburges
are a national food and just because you can get a good hamburger in Fort wayne does not mean a roadfooder would be interested in a good hamburger in Los Angeles, Meedford. or Chico.
         I guess I agree with Davvydd a lot. Portland has a large vietnamese population of long standing and like minneapolis a has a large population of chefs who frequently take American classics, upgrade the ingredients and turn out burger, Mac and Cheese, sandwiches and other items that are creative and tasty, the essence of road food. Our standards evolve and change. I am much less tolerant of inferior beer and coffee than when I first started reading road food books and respectfully I have never seen the distinction between road food books and website reviews. I love this place and just wish I had contributed more.
     Phil from Philly, thank you for opening this topic. An opinion that is well reasoned is always welcome and i hope to hear more from you. And i must say that Michael's review  of southern pizza place with unusual toppings was a feature of the pre website days as well. There was a place in Louisiana that he reviewed in one of the books that featured pizza with crawfish topping which I remember very well and i recall how good the pizza was and not being very worried about how regional the dish was.

Mr Chips, Portland is in a Food world all in its own. I think of portland as Food freedom, food made with a great amount of Imagination, freedom to experiment, freedom to be different, freedom to change, freedom to be yourself, food made from the heart. I hope it never changes, It's the way food should be..........Mr Chips, I thought we were going to keep this prize for ourselves, now we may have to share it with the world.................pnwc...........P.S. The fresh Italian sausage at Otto's is real good.
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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Fri, 02/8/13 9:51 AM
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I love Jewish Delicatessens.  I often go to them... with my mother or family.

My friends who aren't Jewish don't like them as much.

I just don't find kishka, knishes or chopped liver sandwiches on rye at other restaurants.

They have a place and I hope that they remain.

it would be a sad day without them.




Mar, your right, it would be a sad day. The things I missed most when I moved out to the PNW were Italian and Jewish Deli's and Diner's. I miss the family owned food establishments that welcomed you with open arms. One of my favorite Italian Restaurants/Taverns would know me by name, the owner would come out and yell yo me " Bill, how about some baked Ziti, you like it al dente  right ?? . I think we miss the simpler times, good food, from the heart. People sitting down having a cup of coffee with endless refills. I would be happy to share a Chopped liver with onion and Rye, any day of the week with you. I may have to order a side dish of pickled Herring, sour cream and onions... The Diners offered Hot Turkey sans, Stuffed cabbage, liver and onions all the old time favorites. In the morning and late evenings the home fried potatoes would be cooking on the back of the grill as the short order cook flipped eggs. I believe in moving forward in my life, I just don't want to lose the values, pride and caring these places offered to us .....................Bill

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Bill, you're right about that personal feel and the side of pickled herring and onions in sour cream.  (Yum)
 
Sharon will protest but here are other things she can order.  Maybe next time?
 
We're also losing the mom and pop grocery stores.  My grandparents owned one in Boyle Heights in the 40s and 50s.  Nothing like having your lox sliced right from the huge side of salmon or grabbing your pickle with long tongs from the pickle barrel.
 
There are some things the future generations will never experience or know about. 

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This has been a marvelous thread and i would like to expand a little bit about what i think is a road food restaurant. One of the things that sometimes irritates me is that an area is devoid of road food places. That comment has been made about I-5 south of Portland to essentially Redding, California. Novack's in Albany, Oregon a 4 meal oasis of excellent Hungarian cuisine which is delicious food , the A and R Drive In with its huge cones of high butterfat Umpqua Ice cream in Rice Hill is of high quality, Ashland's Wild Goose Cafe with its excellent, muffins, fried oysters, breakfasts, Weed's Tip Top Cafe for its small town feel and good if unspectacular breakfasts, or Mt. Shasta City's really good new Age bakeries and good coffee. Travelers need to know of theses places and I think  it imperative that such places need to be reviewed here on road food.. Just because you can get good pancakes, bacon or hamburgers  in Portland, Providence or Chicago does not mean a website devoted to good American food should not feature places serving good versions of these things in Pocatello,Chico, or Boca Raton

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Fri, 02/8/13 3:48 PM
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I'm getting ready to do a thread about a burger place I have been to a few times now that I think is phenomenal. What is interesting to me is looking at everything and trying to decide what is Roadfood and what is not. In some ways the place does not fit the definition of Roadfood but in others it offers exactly what we look for in road food-----originality, comfort, the personal touch (including making things the way the customer wants) and delicious food. I am going to see some interesting comments I am sure on it. The bottom line to me------if it makes food that makes me feel good and tastes delicious, and caters to what I consider comfort food, I consider it Roadfood. 

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Sat, 02/9/13 10:47 AM
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I'm getting ready to do a thread about a burger place I have been to a few times now that I think is phenomenal. What is interesting to me is looking at everything and trying to decide what is Roadfood and what is not. In some ways the place does not fit the definition of Roadfood but in others it offers exactly what we look for in road food-----originality, comfort, the personal touch (including making things the way the customer wants) and delicious food. I am going to see some interesting comments I am sure on it. The bottom line to me------if it makes food that makes me feel good and tastes delicious, and caters to what I consider comfort food, I consider it Roadfood. 

 
I am looking forward to the thread. 
 
Had there been a www.roadfood.com in 1987 I surely would have written about a little hole-in-the-wall hamburger carry-out I discovered in Arlington, VA. 


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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Sat, 02/9/13 3:22 PM
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mr chips


This has been a marvelous thread and i would like to expand a little bit about what i think is a road food restaurant. One of the things that sometimes irritates me is that an area is devoid of road food places. That comment has been made about I-5 south of Portland to essentially Redding, California. Novack's in Albany, Oregon a 4 meal oasis of excellent Hungarian cuisine which is delicious food , the A and R Drive In with its huge cones of high butterfat Umpqua Ice cream in Rice Hill is of high quality, Ashland's Wild Goose Cafe with its excellent, muffins, fried oysters, breakfasts, Weed's Tip Top Cafe for its small town feel and good if unspectacular breakfasts, or Mt. Shasta City's really good new Age bakeries and good coffee. Travelers need to know of theses places and I think  it imperative that such places need to be reviewed here on road food.. Just because you can get good pancakes, bacon or hamburgers  in Portland, Providence or Chicago does not mean a website devoted to good American food should not feature places serving good versions of these things in Pocatello,Chico, or Boca Raton

You forgot Jasper's and La Tapatia. 

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Sat, 02/9/13 4:53 PM
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This has come up in a few of the entries above, that maybe, for some of us, how long a place has been in existence is a factor in what we think of as road food.  Some of these time-honored "institutions" are what we picture in our minds as road food--those places that have stuck to their formulas from years past and preserved them for future generations to appreciate. 
 
I remember wondering about this topic when I saw the review for Red Truck Bakery in Warrenton, VA, which opened in 2009, replacing a long-term bakery that closed in that location.  I thought, "What's so 'road food' about that place?"  Okay, I still wonder that.   (I've been to it, as it's in my sister's hometown.)
 
Any thoughts on the historical aspect--is that a part of the issue?

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Sat, 02/9/13 5:29 PM
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pnwchef


Roadfood to me is, Great Food, Prepared by Great people who care. I could care less about the rest, I just want Great Food..........pnwc

Well said. 

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Sat, 02/9/13 7:54 PM
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Agree, Ed. pnwchef nailed it.  Here in Milwaukee we have awesome Jewish deli's. Some of our friends on Roadfood have eaten at these places. We also have great Kosher butchers-best veal patties I have ever had.

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Re:Should restaurants that don't fit the Roadfood theme be on this site? - Sun, 03/31/13 9:03 PM
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CajunKing, I was just reading over this thread and wanted to thank you for your nod!  And your reply was so well thought out and written.  You really nailed it!  I love sharing my fondess for NYC foods and I should be posting another trip report soon of a recent escapade with The Travelin' Man.
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