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ces1948

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Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 12:07 AM (permalink)
I thought this would be a good place to ask this since many here are in or have been in the food service business. If not that then we are all food lovers
I got raked over the coals on another forum for stating that I didn't have a problem sending something back and asking for something else simply based on the fact that I didn't like how it tasted. I'm not saying that something was not prepared correctly or that there was anything wrong with the item. Now I'm not saying sending back a half eaten meal, I'm saying you take a few bites and send it back.
I was told on the other forum things such as I was trying to get 2 meals for the price of one, insinuations that I was a thief, that I was wasting food etc.
Literally no one believed that I had the right as a customer to do this. So, maybe all of you feel the same way, that's why I'm throwing out there. What say you roadfooders?
 
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    billyboy

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    Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 12:35 AM (permalink)
    Hey ces1948, I've never been in the food service business but I live in NYC and do eat out fairly regularly.  I'd have to say the two most important word I use on a daily basis...it depends.
    It depends...are you looking to send it back and have it replaced at no additional charge?
    Many times a customer may not like a dish because 1.) they were taking a gamble by trying something new and/or foreign to them and realized a few bites in that they didn't like it/wasn't their "thing" or 2.) tried a dish that they liked at other restaurants or the way mom made it and discovered this particular restaurant makes it a different way that they DON'T like.
     
    Personally, I wouldn't send something back unless I felt there was something wrong with it:  under/over cooked, hair in food, etc...  If decide to try something new to me I do so with the knowledge that I'm taking a risk by stepping outside of my comfort zone and that I may not like it.  I wouldn't feel right asking the restaurant to take it back and make something else for me at no charge because I didn't care for the dish.  That's the risk that I took.  I've had many dishes that didn't compare to mom/grandma's version.  Some I finished as they were alright but just didn't measure up to what I grew up eating (roast turkey dinners, chili and mac & cheese come to mind) or I sometimes would wrap it up and give it to a homeless person on the street.  Just one person's thoughts on the matter but only you can decide what is right for you.
    <message edited by billyboy on Tue, 03/5/13 7:33 AM>
     
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      felix4067

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      Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 12:51 AM (permalink)
      I would have no problem sending something back if I didn't like it...but I would also pay for it as well as whatever I ordered in its place. Anything else would, to me, feel like stealing or cheating or whatever other word you feel like throwing in there.
       
      Not cooked right or not as ordered? Absolutely, back to the kitchen it goes, and I expect a replacement at no charge. But just because I decided I didn't like it? Not their fault, and I should expect to pay for it.
       
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        Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 3:22 AM (permalink)
        Sending something back just because you didnt like it and expecting something else for no price? You have got to be kidding me if thats what was meant. My wife is famous for ordering stuff that she normally wouldnt eat. Sometimes it works out, but a lot of the times it doesnt. Our saying is,,,,you have chosen poorly, when it doesnt work out. I have no issues paying for the meal if you didnt like it and ordering something else, but to expect another meal for free is silly and I wouldnt grant that if I was the proprietor.
        <message edited by tkitna on Tue, 03/5/13 3:24 AM>
         
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          RC51Mike

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          Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 7:18 AM (permalink)
          So the restaurant should take a loss on it simply because you don't like it or changed your mind?  Unbelieveable.  Because you didn't eat half of it, only a few bites somehow makes a difference?  It still has to be thrown out. 
           
          You have an absolute right as a customer to send something back.  The restaurant has the absolute right to charge you for it.  This isn't your mommy making what you want to quiet a tantrum, it's a business that can't make a profit throwing away food on a whim.
           
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            ces1948

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            Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 7:45 AM (permalink)
            So far about the same responses as I got on the other board. Anyway just to clarify some to the poster above who misinterpreted my comment about half a meal versus a few bites. IMO if I consume half a meal before sending it back then it's too late to decide that I don't like it, however consuming 2-3 bites before sending it back is much more plausible. And yes I understand it all goes in the same waste can.
            Part of my point is some people will send things back under another premise such as bad preparation etc. when the real reason is they simply don't like it. Our Publix supermarket has a sign that says it all "Satisfaction Guaranteed or your money back" it doesn't say "only if it's bad" etc.
             
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              Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 8:06 AM (permalink)
              Not sure that being honest about simply not liking something vs. fabricating a reason (bed prep) changes that fact that the restaurant would have to take the financial hit.  The is always a "price" to be paid for trying something new.
              I think with "Satisfaction Guaranteed..." signs there is an unwritten understanding that it's okay to return something if there is a problem with it but I think the same rules apply here as well.  If you see a new product on the shelf one day and decide to give it a go and then discover it's just not your thing, would you return it for a refund (after you had opened it and used some of it)?  I've returned milk that had clearly spoiled despite the expiration date still being in the future, cereal that was stale, the occasional jar where the lid had popped, etc...  Cases where something was wrong with the product.  For me, returning something I didn't like and expecting a refund or free replacement would be like going to a casino, playing a hand of blackjack and losing and then asking the dealer to give me another hand at no charge.  In restaurants, supermarkets and casinos, there is always the risk that things aren't going to go your way, through no one's fault and that is the "price" one pays to play.
               
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                ces1948

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                Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 8:31 AM (permalink)
                Billyboy, As I believe you mentioned earlier sometimes the dish is question isn't necessarily something new. It could very well be a familiar food such as meatloaf that is prepared differently, uses different filler etc and as a result it's something I don't care for. Should I just "grin and bear it" pay for it and go away unhappy?
                I really don't have the funds to pay for two meals in order to get one I can enjoy.
                 
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                  RC51Mike

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                  Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 8:48 AM (permalink)
                  ces1948
                  Should I just "grin and bear it" pay for it and go away unhappy? I really don't have the funds to pay for two meals in order to get one I can enjoy.

                   
                  Yes.  That's how it works when you dine out.  Sometimes something isn't exactly how you like it or maybe a bit of a letdown.  Unless you make it yourself, there is an implied risk when you eat out that it won't be exactly what you had in mind.  You are not entitled to another dish for free.  If this is a common problem, you may wish to inquire about specific preparations before ordering.  I don't see this much different than ordering wine.  You taste it to see if it is bad, not whether you like it.  You already made your choice; live with it.  If not bad but you don't like it, you are nonetheless expected to buy it.  You don't get another bottle and watch them pour the first down the drain.

                   
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                    billyboy

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                    Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 9:03 AM (permalink)
                    ces1948, I can really only speak for myself as I can only decide what is right for me but I do adopt the "grin and bear it" philosophy because as RC51Mike said, there is an implied risk when you dine out and as you said, what you order may be prepared differently than what you are accustomed to.  You always running the risk of "kissing a few frogs" in your search for a meal that you truly enjoy.  A good suggestion might be to stick to places that you know you already like and dishes and preparations that are familiar to you.   I've been to plenty of restaurants in NYC where I've had food I didn't like.  Nothing was wrong with it, I just didn't care for the preparation, seasonings, etc.  I always walk into a restaurant hoping and expecting to like the food and it is always a letdown when I don't enjoy it.  
                    To go down another path (hopefully not a bad one), I wonder if it's a matter of upbringing?  Did your parents send food back with similar expectations?  It's just surprising to me because if I had tried to do that my parents would have read me the Riot Act!  I know people who have a similar philosophy to yours and they were simply doing what their parents had modeled for them growing up.  If that question is too personal, I understand.  Just wondering.
                    <message edited by billyboy on Tue, 03/5/13 9:05 AM>
                     
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                      chefbuba

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                      Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 10:42 AM (permalink)
                      Just like buying fruit, eating out is a gamble. Don't like it? Tuff, your going to pay for it if the meal was cooked and presented properly.
                       
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                        Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 11:19 AM (permalink)
                        In 35 yrs I have never had someone send something back because they didn't like it. I have had food sent back because of over done, under done, to rare and so on. Sending something back, just because you don't like the taste, is a real kick in the ass to the Chef and kitchen staff. I feel this is more your problem is eating out. Don't make your problem, someone else's problem. If I were you, I would ask a lot of questions before ordering.....I know you feel you should not eat something you don't like. If you are sensitive to taste, then be real picky when ordering. If you have a question about a meal. ask the chef, they really do want you to enjoy your meal. I have come to a table that requested special attention many times in past years...................pnwc
                         
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                          felix4067

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                          Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 11:50 AM (permalink)
                          ces1948


                          Billyboy, As I believe you mentioned earlier sometimes the dish is question isn't necessarily something new. It could very well be a familiar food such as meatloaf that is prepared differently, uses different filler etc and as a result it's something I don't care for. Should I just "grin and bear it" pay for it and go away unhappy?
                          I really don't have the funds to pay for two meals in order to get one I can enjoy.

                          I don't have the money to pay for two meals, either. Thus if I order something and find it not to my liking for whatever reason that does not involve it being made wrong, I do grin and bear it. Because it's MY fault I don't like something. The kitchen prepared it the way they normally do, using ingredients they always use, and presented it according to how it says on the menu. If I'm not sure I'll  like something to the point where if I don't like it I won't be able to eat it, then I choose something else from the menu in the first place. It is at best inconsiderate to expect to be given something for free because what you ordered doesn't taste good to you.
                           
                          Hell, that happens at my house sometimes! Probably three nights out of seven I'm creating something in my kitchen without following a recipe. Sometimes I lose, often I win. But on the days I lose, I suck it up and eat it anyway, because I can't afford to throw the food away. I figure the same applies to a restaurant.
                           
                          The one exception to this is food allergies. In the past, it has not been uncommon for restaurants to use cantaloupe slices as a garnish instead of parsley and an orange slice or whatever. I am highly allergic to melon, and cannot eat anything on the plate if it's there. Since prices have gone up, it's rare to see it, so I don't always remember to ask if they use it. If my plate comes out with a slice of melon on it, I apologize profusely and explain the deal. I always offer to pay all or half of the cost of the meal I can't eat, and I have always been told that's not necessary. And trust me, I know they're not taking the plate back to the kitchen, removing the melon, and serving me the same plate. I would have a reaction, and it wouldn't be pretty.
                           
                          But simply not liking something? No way would I expect them to replace my meal for free.
                           
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                            DawnT

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                            Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 1:18 PM (permalink)
                            My concern with this is that some restaurants offset the cost (or used to) by taking it out of the waitstaff's pay no matter the reason if it was the customer's or the kitchen's fault. My mom wouldn't eat a bloody piece of meat even though she was pretty clear about how she wanted it cooked. More often then not, if it was returned for some extra cooking it was returned incinerated and barely edible. It wouldn't be fair that the waitstaff takes a hit just because the kitchen screwed up. I'd never return something just because I didn't like it or made a poor choice. There would have to be a valid reason such as spoilage or finding foreign matter inside the food. You can't blame someone for your poor choice or diferent expectation under the guise of customer satisfaction.
                             
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                              pnwchef

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                              Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 1:30 PM (permalink)
                              My concern with this is that some restaurants offset the cost (or used to) by taking it out of the waitstaff's pay no matter the reason if it was the customer's or the kitchen's fault
                               
                              No way this would happen now a days, if at all it ever happened. The labor board would be on the restaurant in no time. I have never seen this any place I owned or worked...............pnwc
                               
                               
                               
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                                ann peeples

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                                Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 5:44 PM (permalink)
                                I recently had an experience twice at the same restaurant on my trip to Mobile. I ordered eggs over easy, and they were medium. Not a big deal, but I like over easy. On the return home, ordered over easy, and got one over hard and one over medium, at best.I just sucked it up, as not worth the wait. Frankly, a cook knows, and should not have sent them out that way. Its different to me, if you dont like something.If I order something way out of my league, and dont like it, too bad.Allergies are a huge thing, as well, Felix. Bob cannot have a salad if it has touched a cucumber.......we found out some restaurants were simply removing the cucumber before serving him-we knew-his thraot was closing up!
                                 
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                                  lleechef

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                                  Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 5:59 PM (permalink)
                                  In nearly 30 years of cheffing I never had anyone send something back because they didn't like it.  I also had a bad experience on the way to Mobile.  We stopped at an Iron Skillet to gas up and decided to get a bite there.  I really wasn't hungry and don't like breakfast food so I ordered a grilled chicken salad.  The chicken was the stuff that's injected with sodium and water.  Some of the lettuce pieces were slimy.  I took two bites and left the rest.  I didn't send it back and didn't complain.  The waitress never even asked why I hadn't touched it.  My solution:  I will never ever again eat at an Iron Skillet.
                                   
                                   
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                                    ces1948

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                                    Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 6:04 PM (permalink)
                                    Well it's obvious I'm in the minority in thinking I have the right to send something back simply because I don't like the taste. There are many fine lines here like the preparation method, the ingredients used etc. All these things can affect whether a person likes the taste of the final result. It can be something as simple as putting carrots in the meatloaf without mentioning what you put in the meatloaf on the menu. Personally I have never inquired about the exact ingredients but perhaps I should.
                                    I'm a little taken aback that almost all the people that replied feel it's me as the customer that should take the financial hit because I didn't like something. As a person that unfortunately has many a bad meal (as well as good) in my 65 years I don't necessarily feel I'm always at fault when I don't like a meal that's served to me.
                                     
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                                      felix4067

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                                      Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 6:49 PM (permalink)
                                      ces1948

                                      I'm a little taken aback that almost all the people that replied feel it's me as the customer that should take the financial hit because I didn't like something. As a person that unfortunately has many a bad meal (as well as good) in my 65 years I don't necessarily feel I'm always at fault when I don't like a meal that's served to me. 

                                      Our reasoning is that no one made you order it. You looked at a menu and thought you wanted something. When it came, you changed your mind. Why should the restaurant, which did not force you to order it, have to take the financial hit because YOU didn't like the taste? It's not their fault...they just made something the way they always do. Yes, there are many ways things can be made that can turn a person off, but the fact remains that you chose to order something of your own free will, and decided you didn't like how it tasted. So yes, in that instance, you should be expected to take the financial hit. Just like if you made something at your house and didn't like how it tasted. You can't take it back to the store and get something else, so why should you be able to do it at a restaurant?
                                       
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                                        ces1948

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                                        Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Tue, 03/5/13 7:58 PM (permalink)
                                        Well I do recall on occasion in the distant past that a waiter or waitress would notice that someone at our table was not eating their food and asked if everything was alright and offer to replace the item with something else. I don't know how many places would have a policy like this but IMO it would be a good thing if all of them did. Realistically you would think the primary interest of restaurant would that we enjoy their food and come back.
                                        But then again the old saying that some people brighten a room when they enter and some when they leave.
                                         
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                                          Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 1:13 AM (permalink)
                                          The server/manager asking if something is wrong is very different than you asking for a replacement meal. In your original post, you said that people insinuated that you were a thief or were wasting food. I don't think either of those things. It just sounds like you have an exceptional sense of entitlement.
                                           
                                          I'm just curious, but what if you didn't like the second meal that the restaurant brought out to you? Would you then be entitled to a third meal? Which meal should you be charged for? The most expensive option? The least? The one you finally decided was to your liking?
                                           
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                                            ces1948

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                                            Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 1:30 AM (permalink)
                                             I guess a bad tasting meal means you've just wasted your money and most here agree that's the way it should be. I really am not trying to cheat anyone, my whole point in going out to eat was to enjoy myself and have a good meal
                                            Someone equated ordering a meal as akin to shooting craps. I've never really looked at eating out in that vein.
                                             
                                             
                                             
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                                              Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 8:18 AM (permalink)
                                              I guess it depends on your choice of restaurant.  And maybe if the cook is having a good or bad day.
                                               
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                                                The Travelin Man

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                                                Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 9:09 AM (permalink)
                                                I had a curiosity. How often does this happen? I am 40-something and single. I eat at a restaurant almost every day. I can't remember the last time I ordered something that I have eaten previously and just didn't like that particular restaurant's presentation. Admittedly, I am NOT the most adventurous eater - I like what I like. But, when I am paying good money for food, I am usually of the mind to order something that I should like.
                                                 
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                                                  ces1948

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                                                  Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 9:22 AM (permalink)
                                                  It's really only happened a couple of times where I've actually said something. There was a serving of fried chicken that was too heavily spiced for me and before that I can't really recall except it was some kind BBQ. I've sat in silence a few times also. I think as I get older and the $ got tighter I'm more inclined to speak up. When we budget money to eat out it literally means we have to budget that money.
                                                   
                                                  The Travelin Man


                                                  I had a curiosity. How often does this happen? I am 40-something and single. I eat at a restaurant almost every day. I can't remember the last time I ordered something that I have eaten previously and just didn't like that particular restaurant's presentation. Admittedly, I am NOT the most adventurous eater - I like what I like. But, when I am paying good money for food, I am usually of the mind to order something that I should like.


                                                   
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                                                    Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 11:12 AM (permalink)
                                                    ces1948


                                                    It's really only happened a couple of times where I've actually said something. There was a serving of fried chicken that was too heavily spiced for me and before that I can't really recall except it was some kind BBQ. I've sat in silence a few times also. I think as I get older and the $ got tighter I'm more inclined to speak up. When we budget money to eat out it literally means we have to budget that money.

                                                    ............

                                                     
                                                    Then you should eat at restaurants where you know the food, rather than 'experiment' at someone else's expense.    If you are that picky, then ask for a taste sample if considering ordering a dish that you have never eaten before.    At a strange BBQ place, you could ask for a sample to taste for spicy heat.
                                                     
                                                    Yes, I've walked out on a meal for two and paid for them. Then when across the street to another restaurant for our dinner.    ... Thinking back I really shouldn't have paid full price for those two meals. The plates were king crab legs (when they were cheap) and we were told the crab leg would be served hot when we called before going.  After ordering the waitress came back to the table and told us the kitchen would not heat the crab legs.   The manager stated they did not, would not, heat the crabs.  ... I paid full price for the meals and only drank a half glass of tea and ate a small bowl of soup.   ... The manager got a piece of my mind and I have never been back (> 20 years now).    The cost of 4 meals for two that night was about $80.
                                                     
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                                                      ann peeples

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                                                      Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 1:14 PM (permalink)
                                                      Again, Al, Janet and I had an experience in Biloxi at a place called The Yard. Well touted for the bbq. It was average or below. Honestly-we all agreed.I would never think of sending it back. And I was on a budget.It wasnt to my liking, but thats the chance i took. Now, on the way back to Mobile( and by the way enjoyed the company and beautiful beaches, etc...) we saw an older gentleman cooking ribs on the corner-at an abandoned gas station. THATS where we should hae had bbq on that afternoon. But that evening, The Brick Pit changed my mind about BBQ. Fantastic.
                                                      On a side note- I have sent food back-years ago-Bob told me not to do it as they might do something bad with his....so if I send it back-and I dont-its AFTER he gets his.
                                                      I guess my point is I rely on people I know for suggestions, and take my chances on places I have never gone.I dont like the Iron Skillet.....they screwed up my eggs twice. But their chicken fried  steak is awesome( I had tastes from Al and Mike S.)It is what it is, my friend.
                                                      Recently, I went to two places on the suggestions from both roadfood friends and my family-McBobs and Rocket Baby bakery. Never been. McBobs has some of the best reubans I have ever had-we also ordered a prime rib sandwich with au jus..sharing said food. Honestly-fantastic. Then the bakery-! Not cheap, but worth every penny.....I guess I would ask my friends opinions on restaurants-especially our friends here at roadfood. They have never steered me wrong. And if they all go to a place I may not like, I just dont order.
                                                       
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                                                        Michael Hoffman

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                                                        Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 3:39 PM (permalink)
                                                        It's interesting that you AND Al thought so much of the chicken fried steak at the Iron Skillet. On our way to Mobile the chicken fried steak I had at a different Iron Skillet from the one you went to was disappointing. It was, I guess, OK. This was the Iron Skillet where lleechef had a salad that she deemed inedible.
                                                         
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                                                          ces1948

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                                                          Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 4:11 PM (permalink)
                                                          Well perhaps I should just send it back and ask them to take it off the bill  and go elsewhere rather then ask for a replacement meal.  Maybe that's better for their bottom line. Serve one meal get paid zero or serve 2 meals get paid for one.  Somewhere my bottom line as a paying customer has to be addressed.
                                                           
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                                                            Re:Sending food back and asking for something else Wed, 03/6/13 4:27 PM (permalink)
                                                            ces1948


                                                            Well perhaps I should just send it back and ask them to take it off the bill  and go elsewhere rather then ask for a replacement meal.  Maybe that's better for their bottom line. Serve one meal get paid zero or serve 2 meals get paid for one.  Somewhere my bottom line as a paying customer has to be addressed.

                                                             
                                                            Do whatever you want but the overwhelming consensus here (looks like 100% to me) and by your own admission from some previous forum is that you are unequivacally, dead wrong in your thinking.  Social convention, accepted practice, restaurant experience, politeness and manners all point to not returning food just because you don't like it.  Period.  No, your bottom line does not always get addressed.  Because a restaurant makes a meatloaf with carrots or a particular filler does not mean the restaurant has to incur the loss.  Sometimes when you dine out you will be relatively disappointed.  Everyone who dines out, except you, knows this. 
                                                             
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