The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen

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The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 4:16 PM
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Jerry's Deli is across the street from my condo but I rarely go. Too expensive and not that good. But.. I wanted some Matzoh ball soup at 9PM.When I ordered I also thought... I'd like a kreplah with that. Sorry, we no longer sell kreplahs. WHAT??? Okay, give me a side of Kishka. Sorry, we don't sell that, either. YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!!I look at the menu and instead of what I want I can get quesadillas, nachos, pizza and Bibimbop. Who are they kidding? They are no longer a Jewish Deli.
 
I looked behind the counter and the hanging salamis were gone.  The bakery items were limited.  No chocolate rolls, no cheesecake.... Just black and whites as if I liked them.
 
Jerry's is closing the location across the street from Cedars Sinai Hospital.
 
I think I know why.


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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 5:09 PM
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When I lived in Santa Monica, I frequented Jerry's a few times to remind me a little bit of NYC!  Too bad it's also changing...BTW, how was the soup?

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 5:32 PM
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Jerry's closed their location down here in OC several months ago. I agree with you, too many Jewish delis have gone and far too many have more pages with quesadillas, nachos and things like that then kishka. To get kishka today, I need to go to Los Alamitos to the Katella Deli. They also have the nachos and things, but at least they have kishke, kreplach soup and a full deli with smoked whitefish, chopped liver and a bakery with challah and all the rainbow cookies and Passover delights. They are just about the only real deli in OC. Besides that, I have to go to Factor's in West. L.A. or Brent's in Northridge to get decent deli. Fairfax has no delis left except for Canter's and even when I was growing up we only went to the Bagel or the Stage Deli on Fairfax because Canter's was more show and tourists than good deli food. It's a real shame.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 5:58 PM
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Ed - Smoked whitefish!  Now who's lucky!!
 
Mar - this story makes me sad.  I wonder if they stopped offering those items because they weren't selling and were having to throw them away or if some new owners just decided to change the format of the place to suit a more culturally diverse population than in the past.  Either way, it's a shame.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 6:34 PM
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They remodeled and sterilized the look of the place.
 
The take out counter has no hanging salamis, jars of mustard, Ubet Chocolate Sauce (or Fox's) or anything I remember from my youth of hanging out at delis.
 
I know that delis don't sell smoked cod because it because too expensive for them.  Dumb because anyone who loves it would pay the price.  I don't understand that way of thinking. 
 
The soup was decent but I doctor it up with horseradish to the horror of most.  They've cut down on the amount of chicken and carrots in the bowl but the flavor was still good.  
 
No more bagel chips to accompany the soup... just rye bread which was good.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 6:47 PM
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Mar,
Katella Deli has containers of bagel chips that are made from the bagels they bake in house. They are very good. 
 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 8:20 PM
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For kishka I buy frozen chubs in the kosher section of a Kroger here. For chopped liver, if I get there early enough on a Sunday I can get it, too, at the same Kroger (the only one here that has a Kosher meat counter and Kosher section). They also have kasha varniskes and chopped herring in the case with the chopped liver, pastrami and corned beef. Unfortunately, the pastrami and corned beef are about as sub par as possible. Of course the chopped liver ain't too good, either.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 8:50 PM
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For kishka I buy frozen chubs in the kosher section of a Kroger here. For chopped liver, if I get there early enough on a Sunday I can get it, too, at the same Kroger (the only one here that has a Kosher meat counter and Kosher section). They also have kasha varniskes and chopped herring in the case with the chopped liver, pastrami and corned beef. Unfortunately, the pastrami and corned beef are about as sub par as possible. Of course the chopped liver ain't too good, either.

Seeing how my favorite sandwich is pastrami and chopped liver on rye, sounds like I should avoid it in your neck of the woods!

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 9:06 PM
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You're all just realizing this now???
 
I thought it happened decades ago...

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 9:14 PM
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It hasn't happened to most of the delicatessen's I usually frequent.  (Canter's, Brent's, Factor's, Fromin's, Langer's...)
 
Jerry's never really qualified but they did sell lox. 
 
It's also right across the street.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Mon, 05/20/13 11:50 PM
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I love good Jewish food (most of it anyway)  but rather then spoil this nice Forum I have come to appreciate........ I can tell you in ONE word why most of the Jewish delis have met their demise..........  GREED!!
Anyone who is remotely interested in hearing more........PLEASE by all means PM me and I'll be MORE then happy to explain! 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 1:33 AM
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I love good Jewish food (most of it anyway)  but rather then spoil this nice Forum I have come to appreciate........ I can tell you in ONE word why most of the Jewish delis have met their demise..........  GREED!!
Anyone who is remotely interested in hearing more........PLEASE by all means PM me and I'll be MORE then happy to explain! 

Many people here have discussed factors that have made the traditional Jewish delicatessen a rare thing.  demographics, changing tastes, etc. But "Greed"? Do explain here publicly please. No reason for PM's. Public explanation here.
 
 
<message edited by smokestack lightning on Tue, 05/21/13 1:37 AM>

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 9:03 AM
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EdSails...Pastrami  and Chopped chicken liver on rye, that should be a song. I would take one of those at least once a week.
 
Mar, I don't like seeing these changes either, but, I think the menu reflects the clientele. I hope to stop in a few Jewish deli's, Yonah Schimmel Knishery, in NYC and  Italian Deli's in Philly. I can't wait to have the hand sliced Pastrami on Rye, Chopped chicken liver a herring sour cream and onions. The Italian deli's with all the cured meats, house made Mozzarella and crusty breads. To me a good day in New York will be walking down the street with a warm Knish in my hand with the people I love. Some people think a nice day is when the sun shines, I think a nice day is when your life shines. The simple pleasures that we remember from our past, may just be memories soon, enjoy them before they are gone............Have fun today..........Bill

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 9:21 AM
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It sounds like the title of this thread should be "The Demise of Jerry's Deli."

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 12:10 PM
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pnwchef


 
EdSails...Pastrami  and Chopped chicken liver on rye, that should be a song. I would take one of those at least once a week.

..........Have fun today..........Bill

 
When I was a kid my godmother lived a few blocks from Fairfax. We went to the Stage or the Bagel every week. The name of the Sandwich at the Stage----the Joey Bishop. Apparently he ordered them all the time.
 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 12:13 PM
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I love good Jewish food (most of it anyway)  but rather then spoil this nice Forum I have come to appreciate........ I can tell you in ONE word why most of the Jewish delis have met their demise..........  GREED!!
Anyone who is remotely interested in hearing more........PLEASE by all means PM me and I'll be MORE then happy to explain! 

Many people here have discussed factors that have made the traditional Jewish delicatessen a rare thing.  demographics, changing tastes, etc. But "Greed"? Do explain here publicly please. No reason for PM's. Public explanation here.



I'll try to be as specific as I can in my reply..............
EVERY business owner is in the work place trying to make a buck just like any other but for some reason it seems as if Jewish deli owners continually and constantly increase their prices to make higher and higher profits when there is no need to do so!  I DO realize that in some specific food market areas that the price of the meats, Kosher items etc are very expensive but if you offer EXCELLENT service, continually good menu items at reasonable prices your business will do a bang up job!  
A good example of that is a place we discovered about a mile from us after moving to where we now live........  I LUV Bagels!   We were extatic and would go there usually on Sundays for either a bagel/cream cheese or a Hot Pastrami sandwich!   
Well..........  3 years later the $1.99 cream cheese bagel is $4.99      The Pastrami sandwich which used to be FILLED to the brim for $4.99 is now over $9.00 for the same sandwich only a smidgeoun of the meat!    
His business has declined by probably 30% or more in three years and when talking to people we knew that once went there to eat tell us all the same thing.......  prices have escalated way out of line!  
Many years ago you could find Jewish Delis in San Diego almost on every corner much like you now can with Mexican places but they are a dying breed! 
 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 12:14 PM
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For kishka I buy frozen chubs in the kosher section of a Kroger here. For chopped liver, if I get there early enough on a Sunday I can get it, too, at the same Kroger (the only one here that has a Kosher meat counter and Kosher section). They also have kasha varniskes and chopped herring in the case with the chopped liver, pastrami and corned beef. Unfortunately, the pastrami and corned beef are about as sub par as possible. Of course the chopped liver ain't too good, either.

Seeing how my favorite sandwich is pastrami and chopped liver on rye, sounds like I should avoid it in your neck of the woods!

I make a killer sandwich based on what's known back home as a Pastrami Special. It's corned beef and pastrami on rye with Swiss cheese and good mustard (I use Ba-Tampte). For the actual Special, you can add sliced raw onion and tomato. Not me.
 
My chopped liver sandwich is pretty good, too (although how one can screw up a chopped liver sandwich I'll never know). It's just chopped liver on rye with sliced raw onion.
 
I think I'm going to have to make a couple of the corned beef and pastrami sandwiches for lleechef and me. At $17 a pound for each I can get two sandwiches out of it.


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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 12:40 PM
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Greg, it's not a matter of just food prices going up.
With the rise of gas prices there are surplus costs added to deliveries.  They're added to your trash pick up. They're added to the materials that make up your product.
 
Utilities go up.  Insurance goes up.  Advertising and rent go way up. 
 
Costs go up everywhere and on every thing. 
 
It's difficult to be in business today.
 
By the way....  my store is now closed.  Mr. Big Shot couldn't make a go of it.  $7,000 rent for my small store was his last straw! I sold when it went up over $5,500.
 
This thread might better be called the Demise of Jerry's Deli.  The clientele is not Latino but all of the employees are, in the front and in the back.  Nothing wrong with that but it loses the delicatessen feel.  Same loss of feel by getting rid of all the familiar hanging food items or shelves of recognizable foods.
 
Seeing a familiar face behind the counter is also no longer something that happens.  The family, delicatessen feel is gone.
 
Take the "Deli" out of the name and it wouldn't be a problem.
 
 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 12:42 PM
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Bill...  I'll have one of everything you order!

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 1:02 PM
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Greg, it's not a matter of just food prices going up.
With the rise of gas prices there are surplus costs added to deliveries.  They're added to your trash pick up. They're added to the materials that make up your product.

Utilities go up.  Insurance goes up.  Advertising and rent go way up. 

Costs go up everywhere and on every thing. 

It's difficult to be in business today.

By the way....  my store is now closed.  Mr. Big Shot couldn't make a go of it.  $7,000 rent for my small store was his last straw! I sold when it went up over $5,500.

This thread might better be called the Demise of Jerry's Deli.  The clientele is not Latino but all of the employees are, in the front and in the back.  Nothing wrong with that but it loses the delicatessen feel.  Same loss of feel by getting rid of all the familiar hanging food items or shelves of recognizable foods.

Seeing a familiar face behind the counter is also no longer something that happens.  The family, delicatessen feel is gone.

Take the "Deli" out of the name and it wouldn't be a problem.



 
You know Mar.......  a lot of your points I'll agree with but consider this............  (I know.....I know...... it's like comparing apples with Oranges)  but back in the early 60s I could buy a McDonalds burger for .19            Some 48 years later I can still buy a Mcdonalds buger (double burger/double cheese) for $1.99
Its not always about rising costs etc!  
I can still get HUMUNGOUS Burritos for $4.50 which is what I paid 5 years or so ago..........  the list goes on and on!  
I/we can still get a nice and filling altho "Chain store" meal at Olive Garden or El Toritos for around $12.00 which is almost the price of a Jewish corned beef or Pastrami sandwich! 
 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 1:10 PM
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Greg, what you don't factor in is if that burrito shop owner also owns the building, has X amount of employees, hires Illegals  (it happens)  buys ingredients that are local, etc.
 
Also the price of some ingredients rise at a much higher rate than others.
 
I'm wondering if McDonald's loses money on some of their items.  Lose on the small burger and reap in the profit on something else.
 
Also, not everything rises at the same rate.
 
It's not about greed.  It's about surviving while remaining open.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 2:00 PM
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Please. lets not compare the fine quality of smoked, brined, cured meats and fish of a jewish Deli with they serve in Mexican restaurants. The point that Mar is making is, the cost of doing business has increased, food cost is sky high, labor costs are crazy. I really don't know how a Jewish Deli could stay in business without having a lot of Jewish employees. The old jewish deli's made everything from scratch..............The $4.99 Pastrami sandwich from 3 yrs ago must have been the lowest price in America. I haven't paid under $10 for a Good piled hight Pastrami on Rye in years...............pnwc

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 2:06 PM
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Migod! If a pastrami sandwich dosn't cost $4.99 any longer, does that mean I can no longer get a Connecticut lobster roll for 75 cents?

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 2:27 PM
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iluvcfood


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iluvcfood


I love good Jewish food (most of it anyway)  but rather then spoil this nice Forum I have come to appreciate........ I can tell you in ONE word why most of the Jewish delis have met their demise..........  GREED!!
Anyone who is remotely interested in hearing more........PLEASE by all means PM me and I'll be MORE then happy to explain! 

Many people here have discussed factors that have made the traditional Jewish delicatessen a rare thing.  demographics, changing tastes, etc. But "Greed"? Do explain here publicly please. No reason for PM's. Public explanation here.



I'll try to be as specific as I can in my reply..............
EVERY business owner is in the work place trying to make a buck just like any other but for some reason it seems as if Jewish deli owners continually and constantly increase their prices to make higher and higher profits when there is no need to do so!  I DO realize that in some specific food market areas that the price of the meats, Kosher items etc are very expensive but if you offer EXCELLENT service, continually good menu items at reasonable prices your business will do a bang up job!  
A good example of that is a place we discovered about a mile from us after moving to where we now live........  I LUV Bagels!   We were extatic and would go there usually on Sundays for either a bagel/cream cheese or a Hot Pastrami sandwich!   
Well..........  3 years later the $1.99 cream cheese bagel is $4.99      The Pastrami sandwich which used to be FILLED to the brim for $4.99 is now over $9.00 for the same sandwich only a smidgeoun of the meat!    
His business has declined by probably 30% or more in three years and when talking to people we knew that once went there to eat tell us all the same thing.......  prices have escalated way out of line!  
Many years ago you could find Jewish Delis in San Diego almost on every corner much like you now can with Mexican places but they are a dying breed! 


I couldn't tell you about LA but here in NYC, that couldn't be further from the truth..
You'll find the handful of Jewish Deli's that are left, are packed......with TOURISTS....
Doesn't mean the food isn't good anymore...It still is and I LOVE it , atlhough I think the Rye Bread sucks..
I mentioned this on another thread, but one of my middle aged friend phrased it perfectly....As much as they loved their grandparents....they don't want to BE their grandparents....instead of going around using phrases like "oy" and "feh" they're using phrases like "dude" and "sweet"..they would rather do what is hip and trendy and sorry but Jewish Delis are just not that...The "new" New York  eats are Asian, West African, Latin American and Caribbean.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 2:31 PM
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At one time lobster was used for fertilizer.
 
Might be the first link the The Economist on Roadfood.
http://www.economist.com/node/5091088

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 2:59 PM
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kozel


At one time lobster was used for fertilizer.

Might be the first link the The Economist on Roadfood.
http://www.economist.com/node/5091088

No wonder why Michael is, Full of "Lobster"
 
Michael, I would take you out for a Lobster Roll but the bridge is closed.................I think you may remember this bridge.
 

 
 
 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 3:01 PM
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Please. lets not compare the fine quality of smoked, brined, cured meats and fish of a jewish Deli with they serve in Mexican restaurants. The point that Mar is making is, the cost of doing business has increased, food cost is sky high, labor costs are crazy. I really don't know how a Jewish Deli could stay in business without having a lot of Jewish employees. The old jewish deli's made everything from scratch..............The $4.99 Pastrami sandwich from 3 yrs ago must have been the lowest price in America. I haven't paid under $10 for a Good piled hight Pastrami on Rye in years...............pnwc

OK.......  to prove my point I called the Jewish deli that we used to go to 3 years ago and was $5.95 and not the $4.99 as I previously stated......  so I was a bit wrong in the price structure! 
As to you not knowing how a Jewish deli could stay in business w/o having a lot of Jewish employees????   Whens the last time you visited an Asian restaurant?  Over 1/2 if not more of the workers/chefs are Hispanic so the ethnic makeup has NOTHING to do with how successful a business will be! 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 3:09 PM
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pnwchef


kozel


At one time lobster was used for fertilizer.

Might be the first link the The Economist on Roadfood.
http://www.economist.com/node/5091088

No wonder why Michael is, Full of "Lobster"

Michael, I would take you out for a Lobster Roll but the bridge is closed.................I think you may remember this bridge.






Hell, the bridge isn't just closed, it's busted up. Besides, there's no place out there to get a lobster roll. There is, however, a pretty good place over on the point at Lordship.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Tue, 05/21/13 5:52 PM
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Yum! @ black & white cookies from Canter's.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 1:15 PM
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For kishka I buy frozen chubs in the kosher section of a Kroger here. For chopped liver, if I get there early enough on a Sunday I can get it, too, at the same Kroger (the only one here that has a Kosher meat counter and Kosher section). They also have kasha varniskes and chopped herring in the case with the chopped liver, pastrami and corned beef. Unfortunately, the pastrami and corned beef are about as sub par as possible. Of course the chopped liver ain't too good, either.

Seeing how my favorite sandwich is pastrami and chopped liver on rye, sounds like I should avoid it in your neck of the woods!

I make a killer sandwich based on what's known back home as a Pastrami Special. It's corned beef and pastrami on rye with Swiss cheese and good mustard (I use Ba-Tampte). For the actual Special, you can add sliced raw onion and tomato. Not me.

My chopped liver sandwich is pretty good, too (although how one can screw up a chopped liver sandwich I'll never know). It's just chopped liver on rye with sliced raw onion.

I think I'm going to have to make a couple of the corned beef and pastrami sandwiches for lleechef and me. At $17 a pound for each I can get two sandwiches out of it.

 
I'll send you my address. I'll take one of each of those sandwiches please, Michael. 

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 1:24 PM
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iluvcfood


. I can tell you in ONE word why most of the Jewish delis have met their demise..........  GREED!!

 
Well, iluvcfood, I can't completely disagree with you. Out here in LA, for example, Junior's Deli went out of business because the LANDLORD tried to raise the rent so high that they could not survive. In Orange County, Jerry's Deli went out of business because the LANDLORD decided not to renew the lease and brounght in a new, hip place that paid a lot more. From what I understand that was the same problem with Katz's in NYC, the LANDLORD wanted way too much money and forced them into bankruptcy. 
So greed it might be, but don't put the blame on the deli owners. Have you priced brisket these days or lox? Even at wholesale, they are not cheap.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 2:51 PM
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To the best of my knowledge, Katz's Delicatessen, on Houston and Ludlow has never filed for bankruptcy. Kat's Deli in Austin filed for bankruptcy, which, while on the surface looked like a landlord-tenant dispute was really a lot more about someone incapably of paying their bills: 
     

Katz said agreeing to his lease terms was his “biggest mistake,” but also said he was “asleep at the wheel” and did not respond to rising costs and declining economic conditions quickly enough.

Katz’s Deli owes $121,900 in federal, state and county taxes, according to court records. The company owes about 14 vendors about $30,000 and owes more than 55 past and present employees about $26,000.

The company has annual revenue of about $2.7 million, based on court records that said monthly revenue is $225,900.

 

Katz's in NYC was rumored to have had the building sold to make way for condos, but I can't even find information about that any more. I thought that they were going to build the condos above Katz's, but I could be remembering incorrectly.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 3:11 PM
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TTM,
I'm wondering if Edsails is confusing Katz's with Second Avenue Deli. They did close because the landlord wanted to raise their rent, but I don't think they were forced into bankruptcy- either way they ended up re-opening  a year or two later on 33rd and 3rd!

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 3:38 PM
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If Jewish deli's are doomed, the wounds are self inflicted.  Below is the sandwich menu from Harold's.  Great stuff and a "free" pickle bar, but, how many times a week can you shell out that kind of money for lunch?  And do you really want to bring a doggie bag back to work with you?  I really like the Harold's Special.  Last time I had it, $42.00, it is now $62.00...OY VEY!
 
It seems that there is a race to see who can offer the most outrageous, hugmongous and costliest sandwich.  If you are in an area that can support it, fine.  Most places are not.
 
To me it appears that Katz's serves a normal sized sandwich.  Hope to try it someday.
 
 

SANDWICHES

Served on Rye, White, Whole Wheat, Pumpernickle, Italian, Hero, Kaiser Roll or Bagel -- with Coleslaw

x            

Deli Sandwiches

ANY 2 MEAT COMBINATION SANDWICH (X-Large) $44.95 FEEDS 3-5

ANY 2 MEAT COMBINATION SANDWICH (Large) $27.45 FEEDS 1-3

(with Tongue, Additional $2.00)

  Large X-Large     Large X-Large NEW YORK'S BEST
CORNED BEEF
22.45 42.95   ROAST TURKEY 22.45 42.95 HOT PASTRAMI 22.45 42.95   SOFT SALAMI * 19.45 36.95 ROAST BEEF 22.45 42.95   HARD SALAMI 19.95 37.95 ROAST BRISKET OF BEEF 22.45 42.95   BOLOGNA 16.50 33.00 BEEF TONGUE (hot) 24.95 6061.95   LIVERWURST 16.50 33.00 GRILLED AMERICAN, SWISS, MEUNSTER, PROVOLONE 
OR CHEDDAR CHEESE
    VIRGINIA HAM 16.50 33.00 7.45   BOILED HAM 16.50 33.00

with Ham or Bacon    

9091.45   BACON, LETTUCE, TOMATO 22.95           * Hebrew National  

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 3:46 PM
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CCinNJ


Yum! @ black & white cookies from Canter's.

As a kid I found these so attractive (we shopped at Cake Masters in NYC), but too cakey.  I'd like to try them again now, though. 
 
I'd probably pay whatever they asked for real, traditional Jewish deli pastrami and corned beef.  It's been forever since I've had that.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 4:45 PM
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Ooops!  Missed another price increase.
 
            HAROLD'S FAVORITE
                Heaping serving of Corned Beef, Pastrami or Combination served open face on 
                Potato Kanish with Melted Swiss Cheese 
66.95

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 7:04 PM
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TTM,
I'm wondering if Edsails is confusing Katz's with Second Avenue Deli. They did close because the landlord wanted to raise their rent, but I don't think they were forced into bankruptcy- either way they ended up re-opening  a year or two later on 33rd and 3rd!

You are right,
A little bird whispered Katz's, I did a quick internet search and didn't see (or know) there was one in Houston too, just skimmed the article and added it to back my reason. Honestly, never having been in a deli in NYC, Katz's and Russ and Daughters anre the only places I have heard of. The two places I mentioned in LA/OC though are very well documented, one by the LA Times and the other by the Irvine company themselves.
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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 7:12 PM
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joerogo


Ooops!  Missed another price increase.

            HAROLD'S FAVORITE
               Heaping serving of Corned Beef, Pastrami or Combination served open face on 
               Potato Kanish with Melted Swiss Cheese 
66.95


The description is even more obscene than the price.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Wed, 05/22/13 7:58 PM
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Kanash sounds like a verb.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Fri, 05/24/13 11:27 AM
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iluvcfood
EVERY business owner is in the work place trying to make a buck just like any other but for some reason it seems as if Jewish deli owners continually and constantly increase their prices to make higher and higher profits when there is no need to do so!  I DO realize that in some specific food market areas that the price of the meats, Kosher items etc are very expensive but if you offer EXCELLENT service, continually good menu items at reasonable prices your business will do a bang up job!  

I am reminded of the old joke:
 
A: I know how you can really increase business. Just reduce your prices by 50%!
B: But we'll lose money on every sale!
A: I know that, but you'll make it up on volume!
 
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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Fri, 05/24/13 11:34 AM
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joerogo


Ooops!  Missed another price increase.

            HAROLD'S FAVORITE
              Heaping serving of Corned Beef, Pastrami or Combination served open face on 
              Potato Kanish with Melted Swiss Cheese 
66.95


The description is even more obscene than the price.

My wife and I buy a single 2 meat sandwich, and we get enough leftovers for another dinner. Harold's is a place you go to with a group, not alone. And they smoke their own pastrami (and you can tell).
 
Bart

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Fri, 05/24/13 12:10 PM
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bartl, My point exactly.  It seems most Jewish Deli's are following Harold's model.  You cannot stop in for lunch by yourself, spend $10-$12 for a sandwich and get back to work.  Thus eliminating a large customer base.  If an area, like Harold's, can support this business model, good.  But, most areas cannot.
 
And as far as quality, Harold's is the best pastrami I eve had.

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Re:The Demise of the Jewish Delicatessen - Fri, 05/24/13 2:47 PM
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I think a pastrami sandwich at Langer's Canter's...Carnegie & Katz's Deli are all in the $15 - $17 range.

A corned beef sandwich at Canter's is $12.50.