Stand alone GPS: not dead yet.

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Mosca
Filet Mignon
2013/06/10 15:18:32
I thought I could live with just my phone as a GPS. And really, it was pretty damn good for a long time. But the latest update, to Android 4.1.2 Jellybean, appears to have porked the GPS function on a lot of Android phones, including my Galaxy S3.
 
(Yeah, it's true. The best selling Android phone ever has trouble keeping a GPS lock, on a clear day in a moving car in the Midwest. Google it. My only consolation is that it appears to be Android related, not Samsung related.)
 
So I did some research on features and prices, and I bought a Garmin that has lifetime traffic and maps, and that accepts voice instruction. The price for that level of functionality has dropped a lot, so I don't feel all that put out by it. One of the things that sold me is that the maps are stored in memory on the device, rather than continually accessed through the cellular signal, and that it can be upgraded to include any continent in the world, so I can give it to my daughter to use in South America.
 
 
post edited by Mosca - 2013/06/10 15:29:25
Glenn1234
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/10 15:33:39
 
I have yet to find a better GPS than Garmin.  I have them in the car and a Garmin chartplotter on the boat.  Nothing has come close, in my opinion. 
 
 
Glenn
 
  
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/10 19:17:09
Does Garmin still employ the annoying "recalculating!" every time you miss a turn?
 
I'll stick with my iPad utilizing several different GPS apps depending on what I feel I want to do. I vacillate between the Apple Maps app and a Tom Tom app which I like better than my Garmin.
 
I modified a spare iPad case that flips down over the dash and holds the iPad so I have a nice 10" screen. I keep my iPhone handy for shooting scenes while driving with a remote switch. Stopped here, I was able to shoot them both with my digital camera.

EdSails
Filet Mignon
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 02:21:13
Somehow I always seem to hear an "attitude" coming from the GPS after the third recalculating....." />
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 09:04:10
The thing I like about our Garmin is the way it almost always wants me to take the long way. Of course I have the sound off so I don't hear that woman inside arguing about my refusal.
FriedClamFanatic
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 11:00:47
Davydd

Does Garmin still employ the annoying "recalculating!" every time you miss a turn?

I'll stick with my iPad utilizing several different GPS apps depending on what I feel I want to do. I vacillate between the Apple Maps app and a Tom Tom app which I like better than my Garmin.

I modified a spare iPad case that flips down over the dash and holds the iPad so I have a nice 10" screen. I keep my iPhone handy for shooting scenes while driving with a remote switch. Stopped here, I was able to shoot them both with my digital camera.


I'm dying to know what your Garmin told you was in front of you? LOL!  Praire Mountain Oysters on the.........um.......hoof?
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 11:13:08
No Garmin in that photo. Just the iPhone and the iPad. The location was Muncho Lake Provincial Park on the Alaska Highway in British Columbia. Bison roam free and you have to stop and wait for them to cross. We also had to stop for moose and bear on our Alaska trip.
kozel
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 11:40:19
For those of you with Garmins without lifetime maps but would like to update the maps without paying for the privilege, you should check out open source maps.
 
http://wiki.openstreetmap...Map_On_Garmin/Download
 
Maybe available for other GPS devices as well; remember Google is your friend (that is until they started giving your gmail and search history to the NSA).   Better?
post edited by kozel - 2013/06/11 12:39:58
Mosca
Filet Mignon
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 15:46:46
Haha, I've had many Garmins over the years; this is my fourth. The first was an eMaps.
 
I've gotten used to the "Recalculating... recalculating...." in that vaguely worried voice. Now it's kind of comforting. I answer, "Yeah, yeah, I know, we'll be okay in a few more miles, don't you fret now." My favorite is I-99 between Northeast PA and Pittsburgh. On my last Garmin (one I still use), I-99 was opened after my last free update, and when we drive it, the Garmin thinks we are driving through the forest! "Recalculating.. recalculating... make a uturn... turn left on Route 344... recalculating..." until we hit either PA-220 or I-80, depending on which direction we're going.
  
I got the new Garmin to give to my daughter. When she goes to South America I'm going to load up the South America maps for her, and she'll have it to help navigate her way through the cities.
 
Fried Clam Fanatic, I have that Tom-Tom app on my iPad, as well. But my iPad doesn't have cellular nor GPS. I bought a small GPS device calledan  ELF that goes into the base of the unit, but I haven't figured out a way to mount the iPad in my car. I like the Tom-Tom OK enough, but my long history using Garmin makes me more comfortable with the interface and the appearance.
post edited by Mosca - 2013/06/11 15:51:08
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 16:04:57
kozel


Maybe available for other GPS devices as well; remember Google is your friend (that is until they started giving your gmail and search history to the NSA).   Better?

Oh, for crying out loud.
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 16:24:44
I have one on my Caddy that works just fine.  If I have to purchase another, my pick would be the Garmin although it is a bit pricey.
 
Paul E. smith
Knoxville, TN
MikeS.
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 17:09:10
Davydd, how did you modify the iPad case and which apps do you like?

I use my iPad in my vehicles other than my Avalon.
FriedClamFanatic
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 17:21:47
I have this thing in my car...I call it a Mobile Application Positioner. It works great, hardly ever needs updates or recharging, has yet to fail me, and never EVER tells me what  Dummy I was to make that last left turn.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 21:09:48
One thing you have to know about GPS on a tablet or a smartphone is they can work either off cellular connections or a built in satellite GPS device. Most are based on cellular except for some like Tom Tom which have their own installed maps and use the GPS when there is no cellular available. Google Maps, Apple Maps, Waze and many others require cellular. When traveling in an RV in remote locations or even Canada if you don't pay the exorbitant price for cellular, you need a GPS device app that will work without cellular. Tom Tom and CoPilot will do that. Tom Tom is optimized for the iPad retina screen and different in functionality from the iPhone in that it uses the large screen optimally with more information. On Android it is limited to low resolution for smartphones and not tablets.
 
Here is another view of my setups only this time I had my Garmin, iPhone and iPad all using GPS. I was just experimenting.


This the the iPad GPS in a leather case covering the radio.


All it is, is a spare leather case that I bent the cover flap to fit the dash and velcroed it to stay in place. Here I am able to lift it to get to the radio.



Here is the velcro on the tray side on top of the dash.

mar52
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 23:09:06
We also had the problem with our new Garmin wanting us to see all the signal lights, stop signs and city highlights instead of keeping us on the interstate. 
 
Quickest or shortest route did not fix the problem.
 
Google the problem and it's on the majority of their models. 
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/11 23:18:46
Here's my way of being able to use many electronics at once.
 

 
 
The Iphone gets plugged directly into the socket (bottom left)
 
Then there's the Ipad, electronic cigarette and the Garmin.
ann peeples
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 04:51:49
My cousins call me the best gps ever. On a recent trip I navigated Chicago better than any machine known to man. Its called a map. LOL!
kozel
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 09:09:14
ann peeples
My cousins call me the best gps ever. On a recent trip I navigated Chicago better than any machine known to man. Its called a map. LOL!

Sometimes called an analog GPS.
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 12:40:34
You really have to know where you're going when using a GPS.  The recalculating woman is gone, but the new woman is a liar.
EdSails
Filet Mignon
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 13:04:48
mar52

You really have to know where you're going when using a GPS.  The recalculating woman is gone, but the new woman is a liar.

 
Try the Aussie guy. He's much more amusing!
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 13:24:20
EdSails
Try the Aussie guy. He's much more amusing!

...and take the motorway!
 
We call him Tommy on our Tom Tom. Dory was on our Garmin.
iluvcfood
Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 13:34:28
mar52

You really have to know where you're going when using a GPS.  The recalculating woman is gone, but the new woman is a liar.

I'm assuming you are talking about brand NEW GPS systems?  My 5 year old Garmin (one of the best investments I have ever made) has NEVER led me to the wrong place never!  The ONLY problem with mine is that the maps need to be up-graded and being it's as old as it is is not a FREE up-grade! 
I have to go buy a new one that has FREE upgrades. 
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 13:57:29
I have free upgrades, but I lost the cable.
FriedClamFanatic
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 19:08:44
ann peeples

My cousins call me the best gps ever. On a recent trip I navigated Chicago better than any machine known to man. Its called a map. LOL!

 
LOL.that was what I was getting at in my post! I may be old, but I seem to still have all my geographic brain cells.  I took my son's car with GPS one day in Rotterdam NL and it got me so foulded up I just gave up and got to where the streets started looking familiar
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 21:48:32
Our old Garmin worked when it wanted and not when we wanted.  We paid for lifetime upgrades before they offered them for free.
 
Problem was there isn't enough storage space in the actual Garmin for the upgrades without removing something first.
 
I couldn't believe how many farm roads the new one wanted us to take.  The old one was perfect when it worked.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/12 23:08:11
mar52

Our old Garmin worked when it wanted and not when we wanted.  We paid for lifetime upgrades before they offered them for free.

Problem was there isn't enough storage space in the actual Garmin for the upgrades without removing something first.

I couldn't believe how many farm roads the new one wanted us to take.  The old one was perfect when it worked.

You noticed that too with upgrades. I'll never use a standalone GPS device again as I can make an iPad and iPhone work better in many ways.
Mosca
Filet Mignon
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/14 23:50:28

It locks on to a signal in about a second, and doesn't lose it.

The "recalculating..." Is gone, it just picks up a new route from where you deviated. I think that was a function of processor speed.

I never had that problem with the upgrades on any of my Garmins, and certainly not on this one nor the one previous; out of the box I updated both. This newest one had room to back up the first set of maps, then download and install the new maps.

The voice is loud and clear. I have an iPad, I know what the volume and speaker are like. This is better.

It has adaptive lane directions, where it tells you which lanes to get in, and at about a mile before any important turn, it splits into a Google maps first person view of what you should see.

I only used it for a few days, but it took me on the most direct routes for the places we were going.

If I were in a situation where I were dependent on a GPS, there is no comparison: the dedicated device has far more features and useful ones, for a lower price. However, if I needed a GPS only occasionally, or rarely, and I already had a smartphone, it might not make sense to get a standalone.
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/15 13:41:39
I LOVED the lane feature on my new Garmin.
 
But, my new Garmin told me to get in the left lane when I was in very busy downtown Dallas and take it to the left....  when I saw the sign to go to Waco (where I was headed) all the way on the right.
 
Guess it wanted me to see all the sites that Dallas had to offer before heading me in the right, direct direction.
 
 
 
 
Earl of Sandwich
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/15 14:19:18
How did we get anywhere before the GPS?  I love the Garmin and have yet to have a phone GPS that works as well.
iluvcfood
Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/15 15:30:07
mar52

I LOVED the lane feature on my new Garmin.

But, my new Garmin told me to get in the left lane when I was in very busy downtown Dallas and take it to the left....  when I saw the sign to go to Waco (where I was headed) all the way on the right.

Guess it wanted me to see all the sites that Dallas had to offer before heading me in the right, direct direction.
Which Garmin did you buy?  If it's off that much I'll not buy it!  I need a new one!!





mar52
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/15 22:07:39
I put it away so well that I can't find it.
 
Bought it at Fry's.  They had MANY to choose from.
 
On the shelf it was on sale for $159.00.  At the register they rang it up as $199.00!  They made me pay the full amount and then they gave me a refund of the difference.  That took about a half an hour.
 
That should have told me something right there.
 
It came with free lifetime updates and I updated it right out of the box.
 
The number 150 comes to mind but that might have been the price.
 
My first one was almost $400.00.
ces1948
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/15 23:54:42
My 3 year old Garmin Nuvi will hold only half the maps of the US in it's main memory, it does have a micro-sd card slot which they recommend you use if you need more maps on the device. The biggest problem I have is the business listings for things such as restaurants is not updated nearly as often as the maps are so sometimes the restaurants are long gone and new ones are not listed.
EdSails
Filet Mignon
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 18:12:59
This whole talk of GPS I find very interesting. I got my first GPS in--1993!

 
These were the days when there were only marine GPS'. There was no map readout-----the readout you see gave latitude, longitude, speed, direction and Estimated Time of Arrival. You programmed it by putting a series of "waypoints" into it. If you were sailing to the back side of  Catalina Island for example, you couldn't just put a beginning and end waypoint-----it would take you through the middle of the island. You had to work with a paper marine chart, picking waypoints on the route to take you around the island. But boy, it was neat to go for a 30 mile saile at night and wind up right where you wanted to. When I look at my car GPS these days, it is so simple to operate as opposed to the original marine ones. 
post edited by EdSails - 2013/06/16 18:14:57
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 18:36:24
Ed, I am a sailor and I had a 26 Hunter that I raced every weekend and the best I ever came in was last.  The device to me sounded incredibly difficult but at the time, I am sure it was up to speed.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
EdSails
Filet Mignon
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 20:03:06
Sundancer7

Ed, I am a sailor and I had a 26 Hunter that I raced every weekend and the best I ever came in was last.  The device to me sounded incredibly difficult but at the time, I am sure it was up to speed.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Paul, I know you had a boat, but I thought it was a power boat. My boat was a Hunter also, a 1984 25.5. 3/4 oz. racing spinnaker, 155 jib on a roller furling, even an Autohelm Autopilot. Even though I mainly used it for cruising, it was a nice little racer and came in 1st several times. The way I had it set up, it was the perfect boat for single-handing out to the islands and around the CA coast.
post edited by EdSails - 2013/06/16 20:04:08
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 20:27:30
Ed, I have had a bunch of boats.  I currently have a Regal power boat that only get used by my grandboys.  I only have about 12 hours on it.  I have a kayak (Hobie self propelled fishing) and a coleman canoe.  My Hunter did not have all the toys you had but I knew how to use it, not race it.  I was not good.  I had a small catalina that I sold a few years ago.  I had it on a lift at my dock.  I had a 270 Sea Ray that I sold after my wife died.  it was way to big to maintain and it had a 454 engine that got three gas stations per mile.  Adios.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 20:36:11
Some of us go back to this...
 

Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 20:54:10
I grew up using a sextant. I didn't really need it on Long Island Sound but my father insisted that I know how to navigate. It sure came in handy years later in the Bahamas and then in the Caribbean.
CajunKing
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 21:00:49
EdSails

Somehow I always seem to hear an "attitude" coming from the GPS after the third recalculating....." />

 
I am waiting for it to say "Oh Do Whatever you are going to do and be done with it"
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 21:13:42
There is a limit to Garmin's "recalculating" effort in two ways. The first is if your new route finally gets shorter than your old route. The second, and I have tested this taking old Highway 61 on Minnesota's North Shore shoreline instead of the parallel four lane divided route between Duluth and Two Harbors that has numerous connecting roads to get back on the recommended route. I forget the number of times but after a while it just quits navigating until you give it new instructions.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 21:15:43
I had to learn how to use the sextant in Navy OCS but I couldn't begin to know how to use it now.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/16 21:25:34
It's been more than 30 years since I last used one. I think I'll stick with GPS now.
mikebef
Junior Burger
Re:Stand alone GPS: not dead yet. 2013/06/22 11:07:42
Mosca,
I came across a post of yours: Incredible set of WW2 photos: 7th Fighter Squadron on Iwo Jima - Fri, 02/12/10 12:15 PM, referencing a picture taken by my dad, Murray Befeler, from WWII. I'd like to learn more about your research.
Mike Befeler