Hot!$25 fees every time you move your location?

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brickboo
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2013/07/05 11:49:21
So is this pretty common in your area?
Everytime I want to try a new location, my city requires me to submit new forms, signed by the owner of the property, and the person who runs a business on the property, if this is the case. Plus they want an aerial view of the property, and it all has to be in triplicate. Then if I move every week or two they want $25 each move. 
 
Do you guys really sit at a location for a month and are only selling $10 to $20 a day, and have to drive 30 miles round trip for your commissary plus the cost of ice every day. I mean if this were the situation, after one week wouldn't you think it was time to move? It wouldn't take you a month to figure this out would it?
 
I don't want to quit but it gets tougher each day. I've been sitting around for awhile now since I vended a Veteran's sponsored antique auto show and bought a bunch of coke, buns and 3 cases of hotdogs (160) and did a total of $100 and had to pay $25 for the spot which was a break because I was told up front that the fee would be $100.
 
There must be others here that are having the same problems eh? I mean is this the only city that  wants to get in your pocket every time you fart?
 
Help me out here please!!!
top^dog
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/05 14:17:02
Look...you have to pick a spot with traffic and stick with it untill people see you are there every day...people wont show a lot of interest if you are not dependable....if you just do events thats different story
C2CD
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/05 15:17:46
I drive a hour to my commissary, it is what it is in this area. I'm seriously considering taking out a loan and building a kitchen just as a commissary to rent to people.
sillydogz
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/05 17:19:19
Boo,
   Here in my city we pay our fees annually and are allowed to set up pretty much anywhere in the city on public property as long as it's zoned for commercial use and a few other regulations.  That said, if we set up on private property the city requires us to apply for a building permit and pay 75 dollars to set up on the private property. So if I chose to do that and I moved around I'd have to pay 75 dollars every time. Sounds like it might be the same type of thing you're dealing with.

 
Buck & Vi's
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/05 20:14:18
when I worked the streets I had to pay 60 bucks every time I moved! I only moved once. yes had to fill out all the paperwork get owners permission in writing.no aerial view tho. thank God !
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/05 21:53:28
If I were doing $50 - $75 daily and wanted to improve my daily sales, that would be ok all of these fees and paperwork. But I worked a Walgreens' lot last year that is always busy from late August until sometime in December.
 
The first couple of weeks, I had a $90, $80, $65, a couple of $40 to $50 days. Most days during that time was $10 to $15 days. 
 
I also tried during that time Habitat For Humanity's parking lot for a couple of weeks and did nothing for a few days and 1 or 2 $10 days. It has three times the traffic as Walgreens and clear on the other side of town 15 miles away. It was worst than Walgreens for selling dogs.
 
It's hard to pay any fees when your not making any money. I explained this to one of the ladies at the permit office and I asked if there was some way I could try a spot for a weekend or two before I commit to a long term commitment and the lady I spoke with said she would inquire of her boss if something like that would be possible.
 
I will check with her next week. 
post edited by brickboo - 2013/07/08 11:17:03
Tristan225
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/05 22:02:35
Worked the streets....I thought we were talking about hot dog carts!
Buck & Vi's

when I worked the streets I had to pay 60 bucks every time I moved! I only moved once. yes had to fill out all the paperwork get owners permission in writing.no aerial view tho. thank God !


Buck & Vi's
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/06 08:04:53
oops! wrong forum...lol.
Luckily I have a permanent spot at a manufacturing plant that doesn't cost a dime....leave my trailer there, its all hooked up to municipal sewer w/ grease trap, water, elec. when we're done I just lock the door and "see ya  tomorrow"! I think if I had to stop that and go back on the "streets" I would rather pick up a few events around here like," Big daddy" don Garlits has a place here and he does a few car shows each year, we got into them , they are very good, believe it or not we have a model plane club where they fly those model planes, those were very good, there were a few smaller ones held right in town that were good sponsored by the chamber of commerce. there are a few ideas boo, oh and the car parts places are always good, we got one hot dog cart at a advance auto parts place does VERY WELL...been there for years, keeps a lot of his stuff right inside the store.
here's a tip at most of the events we did there was always someone that came around to see if all was going ok,, when we were at one that we wanted to get into next time or get on "the list" to call I would ask this person to let us know when there was another coming up. along with good food, a little P.R. work  most times I was on the "list to first call". we were always busy on week ends and never traveled more than................40 miles
Tristan225
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/06 09:39:00
I would LOVE to go any place I wanted on private land (with owners approval) for $25-$100. If I could get the freedom to do that I would be all set!
Speedymike
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/06 10:45:56
BOO, feel bad for you.
daddywoofdawg
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 03:50:35
If only we were making the millions everyone thinks we were!
 
C2CD
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 09:28:25
daddywoofdawg

If only we were making the millions everyone thinks we were!


Thank bens carts and people like that for all the books and youtube videos that tell everyone you can make a 6 figure income from selling hot dogs 4-5 hours a day 
slammin
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 11:28:17
The guys that build the carts really do a good job telling the world how you can make your fortune slinging dogs! I'm sure some people can make a decent living vending. But it ain't easy. Otherwise Craig's List and eBay would be full of almost new carts. I'd bet for every success story there are a dozen getting by and 90 getting out. It can't be that all those 90 are stupid or lazy. No doubt, if you own your own small business if you aren't busting your ass, you won't make it. 
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 11:41:20
I appreciate the honesty being displayed here. I wish all of you could make $100,000.
C2CD
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 11:43:37
brickboo

I appreciate the honesty being displayed here. I wish all of you could make $100,000.

So do we 
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 12:13:07
Did you know that if you charge $1 a brick and things go bad you should still be able to lay 500 brick on a decent wall. On an average day you can lay 800 brick. I've laid 2100 brick on a perfect wall with perfect help perfect mortar and perfect brick once.
 
Even at 500 brick 5 days a week that's $2500 a week $10000 a month and that's $120,00 a year. Suppose you do the average amount of brick a bricklayer can do which is 800 per day. That's $4000 a week and $16,000 a month and that's over $160,000 a year. 
 
Suppose you add 10, 20, 30 super days where you lay 2000 brick a day. Suppose you work 6 or 7 days a week. Suppose you hire another bricklayer, maybe 10, 20, 30 bricklayers to help you. You could make as much money as the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds eh? Oh well so much for philosophy.
 
The trick is to try and find that many customers and perfect days and perfect walls to work on and you soon find out that on paper it's great!! In the real world it's impossible. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'd be the happiest guy on earth if I could just pay a few bills now and again with enough left over to go out to eat. Ha ha!   
 
If this ever changes, I'll brag and brag and brag and I'll buy poor people Hot Dog Carts.
post edited by brickboo - 2013/07/08 12:26:09
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 14:02:37
The lady with the city just called and said that they could live with me trying a location for a couple of weekends. She said I could even try my personal property a couple of days and another a couple of days.
 
My property is on the hwy in the city limits and the cars go by at about 45 miles an hour, which I've learned is not the best type of locations. However, I do have a nice vacant building with toilet facilities. The HD told me back when that I could not set up any tables and chairs because I'd have to furnish lavatory facilities. This building has toilet facilities and it's all up to code.
 
I already have a 12X12 tent that Walgreens wouldn't let me set up at that location. Also, I might get away with a table and chairs which might draw attention, perhaps with pulled pork and lemon shake ups I might get lucky!
 
I need to get up and take my meds. Working my brain this hard is stressing me out.
Any ideas?
slammin
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 14:19:50
Boo,
If you are going to get drivers to stop you need some leading signs down the road, like the tourist traps in the south. Instead of "See the two-headed calf, 1/2 mile" your signs should say  "Buy great hot dogs 1/2 mile"! I hope it works.
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 15:22:55
Sam,
I do have a sidewalk sign I could set up down the street maybe. The folks are really stingy about putting up signs on their property around here. Also, I don't think the DOT would allow a sign like you see around the South on their right away. I tried that once before.
 
The prevalent signs around the South on trailers are nowhere in sight around here either. I may have to put the sidewalk sign in my driveway and stay at my location awhile and hope that the Cart, Tent, Table and Chairs draw attention if I decide to try this idea. Maybe some balloons or what they call a banana sign would help. One of those vertical signs that the car dealers around here use.
jcheese
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/08 15:40:01
If I owned property on a hwy, I'd put all or most of my energy there. Especially if it had bathrooms. Would it be feasible to put a small kitchen in the building?
How about permanent signage or even a gazebo to park under.
Send me the address so I can get a Google view of it
tmiles
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/09 15:48:57
If only it were $25.....
In Worcester, it is almost impossible. You need permission from any storefront food places nearby. Existing places made the case that the "no overhead" carts were putting them out of biz. We do have a food truck festival at the park, now and then. (and I wonder what it costs to be there), but in general, Worcester is food truck/cart unfriendly.
 
The gossip is that it actually hurts the bar biz, because young late night bar patrons go to places that DO have carts. I'm sleeping by the time they open, so have no 1st hand info on what they do, but a food trailer got permission to open outside the "Dive Bar" on Green Street. Maybe everyone can be happy.
jcheese
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/09 18:19:52
They think we don't pay taxes, they think we are not inspected, they think we don't comply with all rules.They think they may lose bizness.which is the main thing. Serve better food, then you are alright. No problem.
Tristan225
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/09 18:57:41
So OK Mr. Mayor, how much $ you want from me for my equivalent portion to allow me to set up here and not have this unfair advantage (over your buddies). I swear I would pay it!
Tristan225
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/09 21:46:41
Ha! Like I care! Rather than be a total pud, how about standing up for yourself and explaining why you take offense to my post.
C2CD
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/09 21:53:17
Tristan225

Ha! Like I care! Rather than be a total pud, how about standing up for yourself and explaining why you take offense to my post.

I did not flag, I was agreeing with you
Tristan225
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/09 22:01:15
Not you. I understand you were agreeing. Someone else.
Rcoy
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/09 23:03:03
Actually I flagged (Or tried to, but missed) Mafia's post. For one, he and you are complaining about how unfair it is that the B&M's screw us out of prime vending spaces, then goes on to say that he is tired of "fair" while interjecting political commentary into an otherwise rational discussion. I agree that having to compete with the big money old boys is tough. I have no disagreement at all with your post.
Tristan225
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/10 00:00:50
OK, thanks. I am not necessarily complaining about B&M's keeping me from prime spots, but rather local municipal leaders irrational perception that they should try to protect these B&M's from us (to protect their tax base). I'm not understanding how one can relate federal government to the conversation, being these are local ordinances. A real "free market" without protection for the B&M's (because of their money) would mean a fair playing field.   
C2CD
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/10 00:29:01
Done with this site. Pansy's got a lot to learn about life and the real world.
Tristan225
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/10 01:31:16
You're a lucky guy..tough and all knowing. Maybe in a couple months when I hit 55 I'll be as experienced in the "real world" as you. You make a ridicules unsubstantiated claim, and when it is not taken as fact you get mad, nice. 
C2CD

Done with this site. Pansy's got a lot to learn about life and the real world.


tmiles
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/07/10 12:02:00
It is a political process. When you work on a public street/park, city hall can make the rules. I forget the details, but when a reporter looked into the situation, the cart guys and most of their customers were not politically active......they didn't vote, or didn't vote in Worcester. The B&M guys generally vote, support local charity, belong to the Chamber of Commerce, and know how to organize.  The pols notice.
 
People can and do set up on private land. Those folks seem to come and go. I don't know of a single local hot dog truck/cart that has been a long term fixture.  
 
My own opinion, is that business brings business.  In a famous case that used to be taught in biz school, the "new" Fanuel Hall, Boston shopping area was opening with too few tenants. The manager recruited a bunch of push carts to create the look of action. Fanuel Hall opened and became very, very successful. The back story is that once the place was successful, they stuck it to the push cart guys.  
post edited by tmiles - 2013/07/10 12:58:08
Howie Pheltersnatch
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/09/09 11:30:29
That really doesn't make any sense wouldn't the definition of a mobile vending permit mean that you could be mobile.
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/09/09 13:11:56
I learned a lot about hot dog vending in three months that I'm extremely unhappy with. First people here really don't want to eat off of a cart. The economy sucks. If it cost more than a dollar they'd rather go to Burger King, Wendy's or Taco Bell which is cheap and they also all offer free senior sodas even to some who or 55 years old.
 
Other than Auctions, Horse Shows and other special events 10 - 15 times a year, the parking lots and street corner business sucks. You can probably do more events if you want to travel 200 or 300 miles, "MAYBE!!!" But it would  take maybe years to accomplish this in my neck of the woods.
This is truth for my area.
slammin
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/09/09 14:26:54
The local fish wrapper had a big article yesterday on how tough it is here (Western Colorado) to make it street vending. It was on the front page of the business section. They interviewed a woman with a trailer selling burritos ready to head south fo the winter to try to keep her head above water and a guy it a food truck loosing his rear trying to sell bbq ribs. Local HD stated that in 2008 there were only 8 (iirc) mobile vending licenses. 2013 over 80. So Boo, you have plenty of company here not making it. 
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/09/09 20:51:39
Sam what in the heck is the local fish wrapper the Sentinel. Ha ha!
Man it's at least great to know that it isn't all my fault. I wish I'd have known this before I got involved with the cart and waste a lot of money. I hate to sell it to someone in town buddy. I think I'm gonna offer it on Denver's Craigslist to swap for a vehicle. My Van is shaking like a leaf after tons of new parts. Can't afford new Fuel injectors or blown intake gasket. 
Thanks again for the encouragement.
djtomatoe
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/09/19 13:37:57
THAT SUCKS........
I HAVE BEEN IN THE SAME LOCATION FOR 5 YEARS AND I PAY A FEE just once a year
tmiles
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/11/17 14:19:50
In Worcester, Mass., they are starting to realize that pushing the carts and trucks out was a bad idea. Now they have to figure out how to put the toothpaste back into the tube. In the Boston Globe, today, there was a story about the cool trucks in various hip northeast cities. Worcester, the 2nd largest city in New England didn't make the list.
 
With 7 or 8 colleges, and several entertainment districts, Worcester should be cool, but it's not. IMO, some food trucks would help.
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/11/17 20:20:51
I'll say it once more for the folks who want to quit the man and who wants to work for themselves and make $100,000 a year slinging dogs.
 
This really is very simple and no where near Rocket Science. I wish I could have read this type of info somewhere before I bought a cart.
 
Listen close and pay attention. If there are 10 to 15 hot dog carts in your town of say 120,000 people, or a nearby area, and they have for the most part been on the same corner for 10 years or even 5 years, buy at the least 5 carts, maybe 10!!! Why? Because folks are eating hot dogs where you live and the vendors are doing well.
 
If you see only one cart there, check and see if the vendor is pulling the cart with a $40,000 F150, or a $400 vehicle. See if he's living in a $300,000 home or renting a crummy apartment in the slums
 
If this info doesn't help you make a wise decision, nothing will. I'm serious as sin,  and I'm trying to save you a bunch of frustration. I wish you the best.
post edited by brickboo - 2013/11/17 20:23:56
tmiles
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/11/18 08:59:41
I don't think that the guys or gals doing well are even selling dogs anymore. The trucks with the lines are often run by folks with degrees from top schools like Johnson & Wales or Cornell. They sell well made, interesting food, cheap. (true "Roadfood") As brickboo says, it is not easy.
Midnights
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/11/19 14:08:14
It depends on what you mean by selling dogs. I think Biker Jim does pretty well selling dogs here in Denver, but part of the appeal is that he sells wild game dogs (bison, elk, rattlesnake, etc.). As with anything, do something more unique and you'll pull more people in. I would not go out of my way at all (probably not even cross the street) for a dirty water dog. I would for something unique. It's not like there aren't such dogs at your better supermarkets, but it still puts him above the crowd.I would think that the Grand Junction market would really go for wild game dogs, and you wouldn't really have to compete with Biker Jim that far west.
If you don't want to go the gourmet dog route, you could try custom relishes/toppings (although you'd also likely need to up the quality of the dogs as well just a little bit, but they can still be the regular style).
Tristan225
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/11/19 21:59:06
You last two posters are watching too many glorified "food truck" shows.
brickboo
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Re:$25 fees every time you move your location? 2013/11/20 00:01:53
Why so many of you cannot understand this is beyond me. Grand Junction area 120,000 people, Denver area, (WHAT?) 4,5,6, million people. You could have enough folks there that might try Boiled Crayfish and maybe even Alligator on a stick.
 
I bet you can't find 5 people here who would even try one crayfish. They would get sick just looking at it, much less Alligator on a stick.
 
The 120,000 people here do not eat off of carts. I only see a couple of vendors. One is at Home Depot and a Mexican family small kitchen trailer regularly at a gas-store and a couple drifters here and there.
 
There was an article in the local Sentinel newspaper about vendors coming and going in Mesa County and that it was very hard here on folks trying to start a street food vending business. Also they are very strict about only allowing setting up on private property. The cops ran me of of city property in front of a small brewery on main street in Fruita. 
 
This is a different world over here with different animals.