must be getting old

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starfire62
Cheeseburger
2013/07/17 23:42:54
this last heat snap in buffalo has just about killed me ,very high humidity and into the 90s.dont even want to go out of house to cut grass and puter around the yard.all i can say is thank god for central air.i salute all the people who live out west and in the south.my hats off to you all.
post edited by starfire62 - 2013/07/18 00:02:16
WarToad
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 07:42:19
The older I get the less I like summer and the more I like winter.  None the less, I have a 30 x 50 ft garden plat this year and the scarlet runner beans are coming along nice.
cavandre
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 07:44:13
Down here in East-Central FL, it's been cooler & less humid than up in the North East & below average for this time of year. We're still waiting for the real Summer weather to start.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 11:03:26
I'm trying to figure out how temperatures in the 90s became news. It's mid-July folks. Summer. What do you expect, below zero?
WarToad
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 11:06:33
Agreed, Michael.  But I think after the hellacious record setting heatwave parts of the southwest just went through everyone want to get on board with griping.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 11:30:33
Michael Hoffman

I'm trying to figure out how temperatures in the 90s became news. It's mid-July folks. Summer. What do you expect, below zero?


I don't remember  brutal Summer's like this when I was a kid growing up on Long Island- we maybe had one heat wave every 2 or 3 years now it seems we have 2 or three each month from June to August.  I never, ever had to turn on the AC until school let out at the end of June. Now my AC goes on in early May, there has even been a day or two when I had to turn it on in April!  On the other hand, winters are no where near as brutal as they used to be.  Lately I've seen temps in the well into the 60's in January.... When I was a kid a 40 degree day in January was considered balmy and even those were few and far between.
SeamusD
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 11:45:51
Michael Hoffman

I'm trying to figure out how temperatures in the 90s became news. It's mid-July folks. Summer. What do you expect, below zero?

If you live in central NY like I do, you'd think it was the end times when it gets this hot, by the way people complain. Then again, they pretty much complain about everything.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 11:56:09
wanderingjew

Michael Hoffman

I'm trying to figure out how temperatures in the 90s became news. It's mid-July folks. Summer. What do you expect, below zero?


I don't remember  brutal Summer's like this when I was a kid growing up on Long Island- we maybe had one heat wave every 2 or 3 years now it seems we have 2 or three each month from June to August.  I never, ever had to turn on the AC until school let out at the end of June. Now my AC goes on in early May, there has even been a day or two when I had to turn it on in April!  On the other hand, winters are no where near as brutal as they used to be.  Lately I've seen temps in the well into the 60's in January.... When I was a kid a 40 degree day in January was considered balmy and even those were few and far between.

I remember summers being really hot. When I was a kid I summered at the beach, and I was usually in the water during the day, either swimming, digging clams or running lobster traps in my catboat. It was hot. And at night, when stuck inside, it was brutal. I never knew anyone who had air conditioning in their home or beach cottage. Winters? Let me tell you about having to walk nine miles to school through snow that was four feet deep, uphill all the way, both to and from school.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 11:58:51
SeamusD

Michael Hoffman

I'm trying to figure out how temperatures in the 90s became news. It's mid-July folks. Summer. What do you expect, below zero?

If you live in central NY like I do, you'd think it was the end times when it gets this hot, by the way people complain. Then again, they pretty much complain about everything.

Heck, they complain about the heat in the summer here, and about the cold when it's winter. A guy sitting at the counter this morning at the Waffle House was bitching about the air conditioning being to cold -- this after complaining about how hot is was outside.

wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 12:33:55
Michael Hoffman

wanderingjew

Michael Hoffman

I'm trying to figure out how temperatures in the 90s became news. It's mid-July folks. Summer. What do you expect, below zero?


I don't remember  brutal Summer's like this when I was a kid growing up on Long Island- we maybe had one heat wave every 2 or 3 years now it seems we have 2 or three each month from June to August.  I never, ever had to turn on the AC until school let out at the end of June. Now my AC goes on in early May, there has even been a day or two when I had to turn it on in April!  On the other hand, winters are no where near as brutal as they used to be.  Lately I've seen temps in the well into the 60's in January.... When I was a kid a 40 degree day in January was considered balmy and even those were few and far between.

Winters? Let me tell you about having to walk nine miles to school through snow that was four feet deep, uphill all the way, both to and from school.

 
And I think I found a photo of the school that you went to- I understand it was newly built- in fact if you look hard enough, you can find a young Michael in the background.
 

Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 12:49:54
Yep, that's my school, but you're wrong about which one is me. I'm the one on the left in the first row with my velvet suit and Little Lord Fauntleroy collar.
FriedClamFanatic
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 12:58:58
At least you're not in a hand-me-down pinafore.  On the subject of A/c......NOBODY I knew on Cape Cod growing up had A/c in their houses or their cars. My first house in MA never had A/c, but a lot of trees.  The house in NH didn't really need it.  Then we moved to the UK where the idea would have been preposterous.  It wasn't until we moved back to the states around 20 yrs ago that we had a house with A/C
ann peeples
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 13:11:19
Michael, I agree about the summers of my youth. They were hot, but I literally grew up across from Lake Michigan-we didn't notice as we swam when we became hot. Don't get me started on winters......" />
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/18 19:08:46
You know?  I really do not mind the hot or cold or something in between. It is summer and it is suppose to be hot and humid and when it is cold, it is suppose to be cold.  That being said, I do not mind saying that it affects me more than what it use to.  Not exactly like Michael who treaded snow four foot deep but I had a paper route that was six miles and I did that seven days a week for five years on a bicycle.  I made three dollars a week and I did that when I was 9 years old.  We had no HVAC in our house at that time however I did not Know any better.
 
Throughout my career  and growth in life, I learned to enjoy the comfort parts of life such as temperature controlled cars and home.  Now that I am in the twilight of my life, I was setting on the deck overlooking the cool Tennessee River (sure do enjoy that big old cooler out there) where Knoxville temps was 92F and my deck temp was 85 with a breeze and realized how fortunate I was to be here.
 
God bless the summer.     
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 09:37:37
As a native Midwesterner I can't imagine life without the change of seasons.  The only 2 parts of the year I don't really care for are early spring because everything's damp, sloppy, wet, and brown, and late fall because everything's damp, sloppy, wet, and brown.  In fact, I'd be perfectly happy to get 2 feet of snow the day after Thanksgiving and skip the transition into winter.
WarToad
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 10:44:30
ScreamingChicken

As a native Midwesterner I can't imagine life without the change of seasons.  The only 2 parts of the year I don't really care for are early spring because everything's damp, sloppy, wet, and brown, and late fall because everything's damp, sloppy, wet, and brown.  In fact, I'd be perfectly happy to get 2 feet of snow the day after Thanksgiving and skip the transition into winter.


I lived on the ocean of Washington State for a few years where the temp stayed very consistantly between 45 to 75.  Very little noticable change in seasons.  While this was a gardening wonderland.  I really missed my winters and the change of seasons.
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 11:18:16
There's summer weather, and then there is constant record-breaking (or at least tying) heat and humidity for over a week without a break. Of course I expect it to be hot and humid in Michigan. What I do not expect, and certainly do not remember from my childhood, is day in-day out heat indexes over 100 degrees, "cooling down" to 85-90 at night.
 
I hate being cold more than pretty much anything on earth, but the heat and humidity we've had since I got home from vacation are just about killing me. It hasn't been below 90 in my house for two weeks.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 11:48:12
felix4067

There's summer weather, and then there is constant record-breaking (or at least tying) heat and humidity for over a week without a break. Of course I expect it to be hot and humid in Michigan. What I do not expect, and certainly do not remember from my childhood, is day in-day out heat indexes over 100 degrees, "cooling down" to 85-90 at night.

I hate being cold more than pretty much anything on earth, but the heat and humidity we've had since I got home from vacation are just about killing me. It hasn't been below 90 in my house for two weeks.

 
I totally agree with you. I used to work at a county park on Long Island during my summers off from college back way, way back in the mid 80's. I remember we had to record the temps every morning around 8 or 9am. Temp's were always  in the low- mid 60s, that time in the morning. These were typical summers. That seemed to change around 1988. My first summer back in NY after living in Albuquerque NM for 6 months. Not only did the summers change but the winters did too. I remember Christmas eve 1988 it was 60 degrees at night. It actually "scared" me - I never experienced such a thing before, it was unheard of. ...
 
BTW you really need to get AC- I actually go home for lunch, turn my living room and bedroom AC on so its nice and cool when I get home from work.  I turn my living room ac off when I go to sleep and then turn my bedroom ac on when I wake up and start the same process the next day.
starfire62
Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 12:40:14
i also like the cold more than the heat.its easier to get warm by just putting on a extra shirt or a blanket from the closet .to get cool i'll need to  take off some more clothes.even i dont want to see that.
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 12:53:17
Growing up in an area with four distinct seasons, that is what I prefer.  But, if one season had to go, it would be definitely be Summer.  The humidity just drains me of my energy and makes it very difficult to sleep at night. 
 
While traveling, I am keeping an eye out for somewhere to possibly retire someday.  Weather-wise, a place with a mild Winter and a mild Summer would be ideal.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 13:11:48
buffetbuster 

Weather-wise, a place with a mild Winter and a mild Summer would be ideal.

You want to retired to Gahanna?
FriedClamFanatic
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 13:15:57
Buffet........if you can afford it.........and like the lifestyle, Hawaii is almost a perfect 72 every day..depending on where you live on the islands.
 
I like where I am...the summers are getting hotter/more humid, but our winters seem to be milder than folks who live as little as 30 miles away. They get snow/ice, we get rain.  Must be our closeness to the Delaware river.  We also don't get a lot of the mega T-storms that hit out Lancaster/York way. And the BIG H usually hits NJ, not us
lleechef
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 13:18:28
Thank God we have central air in the house.  Summer is nice if you live at the beach but when we get the 3 Hs here in the Midwest I just hate it.  For me the best place to retire would be Alaska, with a month in the winter in Palm Springs!
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 13:29:24
Michael Hoffman

buffetbuster 

Weather-wise, a place with a mild Winter and a mild Summer would be ideal.

You want to retired to Gahanna?

Well, I would be closer to Graeter's, Crabill's and G & R Tavern! 

Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 13:36:56
There is that. Why'd you leave out Henry's?
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 13:43:42
When I forget pie, it is obvious the heat is getting to me.....
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 13:52:40
We have lived in a variety of climate zones over the years, From The Oswego, NY Snow belt, To Lewiston, ID that is labeled part of Idaho's Banana Belt, Then 30 years in the High Desert of SoCal with at least one snow day each year I taught there,  and finally ( I Hope) here in the Ohio River Valley. I don't include 5 yrs in the Boston area, and 6 yrs in N J as I would never return to either unless sentenced by a jury of my peers !! 
SoCal had the most even climate of all my home locations. It got hot in the summer and we saw the teens a few days in the winter, but overall Sunny and 80's was typical a majority of the time. Any extremes were short lived, except late July & early Aug would stay hot, but drop into the 60's at night.
 
The difference for me is the ability to grow things here in the Mid West compared to the forced irrigation in the desert.  This year is a bountiful garden and fruit year...the first in several years.  That makes running the AC worth the cost for us.
post edited by mayor al - 2013/07/19 13:54:40
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 14:52:17
wanderingjew
BTW you really need to get AC- I actually go home for lunch, turn my living room and bedroom AC on so its nice and cool when I get home from work.  I turn my living room ac off when I go to sleep and then turn my bedroom ac on when I wake up and start the same process the next day.

If it was an option, I'd have done it years ago. But even though I have offered to pay the entire electric bill for the summer, I am not in charge of that and was told in no uncertain terms that fans are fine, we've used fans in this house since it was built 50 years ago, and fans will always be enough. 
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 15:03:58
I take it the Edsel's still running well, too?
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 15:08:38
felix4067

wanderingjew
BTW you really need to get AC- I actually go home for lunch, turn my living room and bedroom AC on so its nice and cool when I get home from work.  I turn my living room ac off when I go to sleep and then turn my bedroom ac on when I wake up and start the same process the next day.

If it was an option, I'd have done it years ago. But even though I have offered to pay the entire electric bill for the summer, I am not in charge of that and was told in no uncertain terms that fans are fine, we've used fans in this house since it was built 50 years ago, and fans will always be enough. 


Wow...............
 
I could never live in a place that didn't have A/C.... Although I did when I lived in Seattle- but then again ....that was Seattle....
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 16:57:39
ScreamingChicken...yup! It's parked out back next to the outhouse! 
 
wanderingjew...Up until a few years ago, there really were only 3-5 days a summer when we needed it, so it wasn't really that big a deal. But now, yeah. I spend a lot of time in the basement when I'm home. My wi-fi works there.
CajunKing
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 18:19:49
Growing up on a farm here in the Ohio River Valley could be brutal.  The old farm house we lived in only had fuel oil heat to the downstairs rooms, the upstairs had no heat, no ac. 
 
In winter a glass of water taken to bed with you would have ice in it in the morning (thank god for electric blankets), in the summer we had an exhaust fan in the kitchen pushing air out which helped draw the "cooler" air form outside in, but the nights were long and hot.
 
My grandparents house didnt have ac either, just another big exhaust fan in the upstairs sleeping area.  Grandma did get a window unit for the utility room, so she could keep the kitchen and utility room cooler.
 
The winters never seemed "cold"  Of course I was used to working in the barn or garage splitting wood or tending to the animals.  I remember in HS I rarely wore a heavy coat, usually short sleeve shirt.
 
Summer was always hot and humid and in this damn river valley the mold mildew and allergens killed your nose.
 
Then I grew up, my college didnt have AC in the dorm I was in, which wasnt too bad, but fans were needed, and the winter time the heat was off and the windows were open.
 
Even the summers in LA didnt seem that bad, yes they were hot and humid, but the buildings were built to deal with the heat.
 
When I moved back to IN, I soon realized I would need AC, for the first two years I used a window unit in the bedroom only, and you know it is hot in the house when then closed bedroom door has condensation on it on the outside.
 
I used to keep the whole house ac set at 65 degrees, and the heat at 68 degrees, but I have reached a point that 75 degrees year round is fine.  until last night i had to set the ac down to 72 to finally get the house to cool off enough.
 
We do seem to have more milder winters and more hot and humid summers, but weather is cyclic, before long we will be back bitching how cold it is in winter and how the cold lasts until July.
 
Thinking back, I do not miss the house with no ac.
 
Sorry Felix (Sending cool thoughts your way)
CajunKing
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/19 18:21:13
felix4067

ScreamingChicken...yup! It's parked out back next to the outhouse! 

wanderingjew...Up until a few years ago, there really were only 3-5 days a summer when we needed it, so it wasn't really that big a deal. But now, yeah. I spend a lot of time in the basement when I'm home. My wi-fi works there.

 
My mom's house in Dillsboro HAS a two seater in the garage.  It's not used anymore but it is still there.
MacTAC
Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/20 11:08:52
starfire62

to get cool i'll need to  take off some more clothes.even i dont want to see that.
So my image of you is compromised.
 
JK, of course...  
 

Davydd
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/22 20:38:55
It hasn't been so much the temperature but in my 43 years in Minnesota that humidity and dewpoint have gotten higher which makes for a more uncomfortable day. I got so tired of it I went up north to Voyageurs National Park over an extended weekend. It's a little more comfortable up nort.
rumaki
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/23 09:24:15
I was completely blindsided by the heat and humidity when I moved here to Minneapolis in 1999, after living in Alexandria, VA outside D.C. for 18 years.  I was accustomed to heat and humidity there, of course, but the 200-year-old townhouse we lived in had AC.  When we bought our 1920s house in Minneapolis, we noted it had ceiling fans but no AC (it's radiator heat, so no duct work).  The first full summer I was here it was 110 degrees+ for more than a week!  We have a window AC unit for the bedroom, but when we had the utility company come out to evaluate whether installing split AC units would work, the guy said that because of the configuration of the rooms, it wouldn't.  We aren't up for tearing out the walls and putting in central AC, so suffer through the summers we must.  (Fortunately, we were out of the country in July 2012 when the temperatures were in the upper 90s-low 100s for weeks.) I bought a very good tower fan with an ionizer a few weeks ago and I have to say that helps a lot.  And of course we have a dehumidifier chugging away in the finished basement.
 
As for winter -- well, I went to college in Chicago and lived in Rochester, NY for a couple of years, so I've seen snow before.  I don't find it too bad except that the snow removal in Minneapolis isn't QUITE as efficient as you'd think -- and I live on a snow emergency route.  But the cold is not overwhelming.  In the years I've been here, I only recall a couple of winters when it was very much below zero for more than a day or two.  My only problem is that my hands got frostbitten when I was a junior in high school (in Indianapolis) and they still ache if they get cold, so I have to wear ski gloves once the temperature drops.
 
 
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/23 10:05:17
I've never had air conditioning in Minnesota but it is changing because of the higher dewpoints which can make any temperature uncomfortable above 70F. Back in the 70s and 80s the dewpoint never reached 70F. Now it seems to be routine. I built our house in 1984 and the highest the temperature ever got inside was 88F when it was 106F outside. I thought I was deliberately designing it that way to not need AC. Now I am rethinking but have no way to put in a ducted system with a timber frame home.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/23 21:34:08
My 20 year old Central A/C went out last week but was QUICKLY replaced. Only cost $9,000.00 but worth every penny. The tech said my electric bill will probably drop about $60-70 bucks a month due to new technology. Can't imagine how the early AZ settlers survived out here. Beats Shovelin' Snow! If I want to see snow, I just watch the weather report from Flagstaff in the winter!
ann peeples
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/24 08:42:19
Had to have AC on for many days last month( today is perfect-75 and no humidity) My prior bill was 93.00-this month was 147.00-really?
Nast
Junior Burger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/28 11:51:33
I've been in Phoenix since April 88. Just installed AC May 2010. Had been living with the swamps. Hate the house closed up for the AC but it is nice to be cool. Had a window unit in the bedroom to sleep. Down side I now hate to go out into the heat. Feeling it more due to the cool inside!  But YES still use the swamps when the dew points down, saves tons on electric...
 
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/28 12:16:57
NAST, Welcome to the group !  You mention 'Swamps' I figure you mean a Swamp Cooler.  I grew up with them on the Mojave in SoCal. It was my job to make sure the 'auto-matic' water level device on the cooler was working properly and that the water was dripping down those big wicker (?) pads evenly on all three sides.  We had two of them hung in windows that really did the job on cooling the house.  Not many folks in today's generation , or those who live in the humid East will be aware of how great those simple Swamp Coolers were in the Hot Dry Southwest.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/28 12:36:49
I didn't know they were called Swamp Coolers. I remember them as a box in a window with water dripping down over what I thought was straw and a fan blowing the water-cooled air into the house. I had them in the house I lived in in Austin.
MacTAC
Cheeseburger
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/28 12:59:59
I was reading an RV discussion on Swamp Coolers and the consensus, I think, was they work in low humidity but not in high. Not sure what's true though.
lleechef
Sirloin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/28 13:45:09
There was a swamp cooler at the place I used to stay in Desert Hot Springs.  It worked great except when the temp. got close to 100.  Then we turned on the AC.
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/28 15:11:34
It's been ages since we used a swamp cooler, but I remember them only adding to the humidity (we generally sit around 70% or better) and us being better off with just a fan moving the already-saturated air around. That's anecdotal, though, and I could be wrong.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/28 16:03:38
Out in "Dry" country, adding water vapor that evaporated almost immediately was a real boost to the cooling effect ! Some you old guys will recall the torpedo shaped device that attached to the Passengers window on some cars back in the 50's.. they called it an air conditioner, but in reality it was a small swamp cooler.  Filling a reservior in it with water (another of my kid-chores when we traveled) it would 'catch air' as you drove, pushing it thru a filter that had saturated with water dripping from the tank, the force of the air would act just like the room swamp cooler we had at home.  Dad had two large canvas/burlap bags that we would fill whenever needed to refill the car "A/C !  This was in the SoCal desert where the humidity ran under 15% almost 24 hours a day, most of the year.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:must be getting old 2013/07/28 16:56:46
I remember those car window mounted things, and I also remember the burlap bags filled with water and hung in front of the radiators on cars in the southwest.
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:must be getting old 2013/08/19 19:24:19
I'm 65 and have lived in Western PA (coal, no AC), the Shenandoah Valley (oil, no AC), NoVa (central air and gas heat), and Dallas (central air and gas heat).  Honestly, the only place where I've truly "needed" AC is Dallas.
 
"Weather" is not "Climate".  The former changes all the time and can be "freakish".  (The hottest I've ever been was in Western PA; the coldest in Virginia! ).  The latter really has not changed during my lifetime. 
 
What has changed is my willingness and ability to "control my personal environment".  Presently, we "celebrate" Winter by keeping it at 68 - dresing in sweaters and having a sheet, blanket, and comforter on our bed.  In Summer, 80 is just fine for shorts, no shirt, bare feet, and only a sheet (or nothing) on the bed.  Saves $$$ and I still enjoy the "seasons".
 
Reversable ceiling fans "rule"; we have 8 of them and use them all.  "Whole house attic fans" + ceiling fans were wonderful in PA and VA.