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2013/07/22 14:53:34 (permalink)

"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak

Question for everybody who actually knows (and I realize cheesesteak is one of those holy grail kind of things). A new restaurant just opened downtown, and they're advertising themselves as "Authentic" Philly cheesesteaks. They make a huge point of telling everyone they do offer Cheez Whiz. A friend posted these pictures, and while I realize you can't actually tell taste or anything else from a picture, yes or no? I've never had a real one, and if it's possible to do that 5 miles from home, I'm gonna. But only if it's real.
 

 

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    1bbqboy
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 15:13:50 (permalink)
    Are they that expensive in Philadelphia?
    I don't see what's so hard about chopped steak and cheese. Is there 
    some secret seasoning they used back there that makes it "authentic"?
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 15:13:50 (permalink)
    Are they that expensive in Philadelphia?
    I don't see what's so hard about chopped steak and cheese. Is there 
    some secret seasoning they used back there that makes it "authentic"?
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 15:15:44 (permalink)
    I would assume that's how much they cost there. Those are actually really cheap prices for downtown here.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 15:32:50 (permalink)
    In their own words...

    "Fat Johnny's cheesesteaks is from the east coast, if you haven't had a real one your missing out! First we have the rolls special ordered from Philadelphia we even special order the cheez whiz! We shave the ribeye steak in house so you are getting the real deal! You can choose between a Jersey style which has white American cheese on it or the Philly style which has cheese whiz."

    They have all of the components down to create an authentic Philly or South Jersey Cheesesteak. The only thing that might be missing is sharp provolone cheese.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 15:33:13 (permalink)
    We have places out here that charge as much too, and even import the rolls. I've never gotten one because I'd expect it to be $5.00 or so.  Maybe the Philly crowd will inform us.
     
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 15:34:10 (permalink)
    Around here they're almost $8. 
     
    I'd jump on it either way. 
     
     
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 15:36:07 (permalink)
    There's always the onion rings too! They look good from here!
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 15:55:24 (permalink)
    I figure at some point I'll stop in, but I truly hate ruining my first experience with something that claims to be "authentic" when it isn't. Because then that's what I expect from everywhere. My best friend had a similar experience with biscuits and sausage gravy. The kind she likes are good, but would be laughed out of any diner south of Kentucky.
     
    1bbqboy

    We have places out here that charge as much too, and even import the rolls. I've never gotten one because I'd expect it to be $5.00 or so.  Maybe the Philly crowd will inform us.


    I was talking in general, not just for this particular sandwich. I have never eaten downtown for lunch for under $10 per person, not including drink. Unless I stopped at the lone hot dog cart. They only charge $3.50 per dog.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 16:12:42 (permalink)
    Just looked at Geno's menu.
     Looks like I'm a cheapskate. :)
    Steak Sandwich $8.50Wiz Cheesesteak Sandwich $9.50American Cheesesteak Sandwich $9.50Provolone Cheesesteak Sandwich $9.50Pizza Steak Sandwich $9.50Roast Pork Sandwich $9.00
    Freedom Fries $4.00 - Cheese Fries $5.00Soda $2.00 - Bottled Water $2.00 - Hot Chocolate .75¢Coffee .75¢ - Tea .75¢
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 19:15:19 (permalink)
    My first clue ordering my Philly Cheesesteak was that the owners/chefs of the restaurant were/are Korean.
     
    Then I looked at the description and was quick to say... No Mayonnaise and no tomatoes, please.
     
    I didn't read the description all of the way.  I guess I was in shock at the mention of tomatoes.
     
    I neglected to notice the mushrooms and...
     
    lettuce!  Not a pretty sandwich unwrapped.
     

     
    The cheese was Provolone so that made me happy.
    Still a good sandwich, but not authentic at all for $7.39.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 19:24:42 (permalink)
    mar52

    My first clue ordering my Philly Cheesesteak was that the owners/chefs of the restaurant were/are Korean.

    Then I looked at the description and was quick to say... No Mayonnaise and no tomatoes, please.

    I didn't read the description all of the way.  I guess I was in shock at the mention of tomatoes.

    I neglected to notice the mushrooms and...

    lettuce!  Not a pretty sandwich unwrapped.



    The cheese was Provolone so that made me happy.
    Still a good sandwich, but not authentic at all for $7.39.

    I;m not sure where you bought that sandwich from but I have NEVER ever seen any Philly Cheese Steak sandwich that had tomatoes or lettuce in them!
    Gimme lots of mushrooms and onions on mine! 
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 19:42:34 (permalink)
    I get $8 for my cheese steaks, served on a roll from Amoroso Bakery. 6oz of choice sirloin, onions & REAL PROVOLONE.
    The one on the left of Felix's picture looks burnt??
    I laughed about them "special Ordering" cheese wiz..... you can buy that crap anywhere, including 7-11.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/22 20:24:19 (permalink)
    While I'm sure it's not authentic our Publix deli makes a very good version of this sandwich. They start out with deli sliced roast beef (either Publix or Boars head) with your choice of cheese and whatever else you want grilled with it. I get onions, bell peppers and mushrooms. They throw everything except the cheese on a little flat top grill and chop it all up together until everything is tender. Then it's put on the roll and thin slices of cheese (I get provolone) are laid across the mix to melt from the heat of the filling. At that point I'm done but you can add all the condiments and veggies you want. Beautiful sandwich.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 10:12:27 (permalink)
    I recall a place in Bellevue, WA that advertised authentic New Haven pizza ... not anticipating that some of us had been to new haven ... they had one of those production, conveyor belt ovens and explained to me that the oven had nothing to do with New Haven pizza.
     
    I passed and they were gone in a record-breaking 3 or 4 weeks :)
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 10:15:18 (permalink)
    ces1948

    While I'm sure it's not authentic our Publix deli makes a very good version of this sandwich. They start out with deli sliced roast beef (either Publix or Boars head) with your choice of cheese and whatever else you want grilled with it. I get onions, bell peppers and mushrooms. They throw everything except the cheese on a little flat top grill and chop it all up together until everything is tender. Then it's put on the roll and thin slices of cheese (I get provolone) are laid across the mix to melt from the heat of the filling. At that point I'm done but you can add all the condiments and veggies you want. Beautiful sandwich.

    Publix delis are superb ... I never tried the ht sandwiches there.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 10:59:58 (permalink)
    chefbuba

    I get $8 for my cheese steaks, served on a roll from Amoroso Bakery. 6oz of choice sirloin, onions & REAL PROVOLONE.
    The one on the left of Felix's picture looks burnt??
    I laughed about them "special Ordering" cheese wiz..... you can buy that crap anywhere, including 7-11.


    Chefbuba's Cheesesteak, melt in your mouth good. I just got back from Philly, I would take his over any one of the ones I had. He is a short 250 mile ride down the road from me.......this is his Cheesesteak.
     

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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 13:53:48 (permalink)
    1bbqboy

    Are they that expensive in Philadelphia?
    I don't see what's so hard about chopped steak and cheese. Is there 
    some secret seasoning they used back there that makes it "authentic"?

     
    What is so expensive about that? If they are true Philly and use Rib Eye, that is a decent price.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 14:09:17 (permalink)
    I total that out to about $17.00 for a sandwich, fries and drink + tax.
    I can eat at a real restaurant for 17.00 around here.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 14:45:53 (permalink)
    OK....before I get tarred and feathered and run outta PA...Yes, it looks "authentic".Yes, you pay about the same here..............BUT!!!!!!!!!!  and this is a Big But!!!!!!!!!!  Cheese whiz is probably the least most important ingredient in making it taste good(for me).  The Amorosos Rolls do play a big part in the "mouth feel" BUT it always comes down to the steak, what it is, how it's cooked and the other toppings that make a "steak" sandwich taste good...wherever it is made.
     
    I always chuckle a bit at folks striving for "authentic".  Sometimes that is important, other times just hype.  I have always wanted to do an "authentic" Thanksgiving (ok.what follows may not even be that): One Scrawny/sinewy bird that has been allowed to be "raised humanely" (points there for the socially responsible set) but tough, greasy, and not a lot of flavour (their spelling, not mine), served with a stuffing of bread that has almost as much mold as wheat coupled with some old onions.  Corn that is now at least 8 weeks beyond its prime coupled with hard but hopefully getting mushy Lima beans. Hopefully the quahogs and cranberries are fresh, but most likely they had been sitting around for a week or so
     
     
    so yeah..authentic Cheesesteak it is.....could it be better?  I tend to think so.  The ribeye needs some fat to make it cook well and be flavorful.  The Amorosos roll is a wonderful sop for the juices, but there are others.  Grilled onions a wonderful addition.  Provolone instead of Whiz (or wiz). And maybe some hoison sauce and garlic on the roll to give it a Multi-cultural experience for today.  Add the Rabbit food if you want, personally, I prefer without. In the end, I let my tastebuds tell me if it is "good" vs "authentic"
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 16:39:05 (permalink)
    1bbqboy

    I total that out to about $17.00 for a sandwich, fries and drink + tax.
    I can eat at a real restaurant for 17.00 around here.

    And again, I say that is not unusual pricing for a downtown restaurant here. I'm not sure exactly why you're so hung up on the price...that wasn't the question.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 16:42:38 (permalink)
    OK. So basically what I'm getting is that it sounds about right. I realize it's not fair to ask you to judge from a picture, but that was all I had. Next time I'm working over that way and not getting catering I'll give it a try. Thanks!
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 17:21:27 (permalink)
    I wasn't responding to you specifically, more in general. I had always thought of them in the hotdog/hamburger/FF area, not a double digit meal. Not my price point is all.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/23 18:33:01 (permalink)
    1bbqboy

    I wasn't responding to you specifically, more in general. I had always thought of them in the hotdog/hamburger/FF area, not a double digit meal. Not my price point is all.

    Gotcha. I just work in an area where a hamburger runs $9.50, and unless I buy it at the cart, a hot dog is upwards of $5.00. Whether or not it's my price point doesn't matter if I would like to eat lunch.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/27 00:45:22 (permalink)
    when lettuce/tomato/onion & mayo are on a steak sandwich it's a steak (or cheesesteak if it's got cheese - which is usualy american or provolone) hoagie. 
     
     
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/27 11:37:03 (permalink)
    OK, so a friend who lived in Philadelphia for a time went there the other day. He said it's pretty darn close, and the only wrong things about it are because they've had to cater to the idiots in Michigan who never leave the midwest and want things how they want them (e.g. a hoagie/sub with all the extra toppings that don't belong on a cheesesteak). Which makes sense...eating Cajun food here is an exercise in futility most of the time, too. He said he ordered one wit, and the owner's eyes lit up like a kid on Christmas morning. He also said they're pretty darn close, although not perfect.
     
    We're going soon.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/27 12:00:56 (permalink)
    cool.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/07/27 14:59:44 (permalink)
    Felix - Does it come with a surrley (sp) wait staff that yells at you if you order wrong, if not then... it's not authentic. 
     
    as for special ordering cheese whiz, yes you can find it on almost any store shelf, but when you order it in the #10 can size you can't get it very many places.
     
    I love onions and mushrooms on mine with provolone
     
    Now to either get to grand rapids or philly to try one.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/08/01 16:24:45 (permalink)
    I had as authentic a Philly cheesesteak one could get today at Cosmi's in south Philly. They are in the shadow of the touristy Pat's and Geno's, but on a neighborhood corner.
     

     
    That's just about half a sandwich - forgive the cell phone photo. Around the corner, Geno's gets $9.50 for this sandwich (provolone with light onions) alone. I find Cosmi's to be far superior, and my entire total for the cheesesteak, a bag of Herr's chips, a City Center pretzel and a one-liter Lipton iced tea was just over $10.
     
    Oh, and the people at Cosmi's are actually nice to their customers.
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    Re:"Authentic" Philly Cheesesteak 2013/08/01 17:42:37 (permalink)
    The Travelin Man

    Oh, and the people at Cosmi's are actually nice to their customers.
    How are they still open? 

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