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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/23 18:06:40
Despite last night's debacle in Philly the Bears still control their own destiny and can claim the NFC North with a win over the Packers next Sunday in what should be a high-scoring game.  Had they won last night a win next Sunday would've given them the #3 seed, which may or may not still be possible depending on the tiebreakers if Dallas wins the NFC East.  Even so, I don't see either the Bears or the Packers advancing beyond the 2nd round.
MetroplexJim
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/27 12:39:40
Just heard that Tony Romo has had surgery on his back and is, therefore, done this season.  I do feel sorry for my many friends and colleagues who are Cowboy fans.  At least Romo was able to close out his season on a high note.
 
On the bright side, maybe this will force the 'Boys to actually play defense and run the ball.  That was always the winning formula for my STEELERS!
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/27 13:46:36
Well, if Kyle Orton can't get the job done they can now turn to Jon Kitna!
Texascajun
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/28 00:08:04
Thanks a lot MetroplexJim, being a lifelong Cowboy fan has been rough for a while. I hope for better days ahead. The defense is BAD. I went watch the Texas high school championship games last Thursday and Friday and when Jerry Jones went out to present the trophies he got booed by a lot of the people there. I felt is was rude and tacky but someone tweeted that he did it to see what it feels like to hold a championship trophy again. I thought that was funny and the fact that the Rangers drafted Russell Wilson which means the Rangers could have the best quarterback in Dallas (Arlington).
MetroplexJim
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/28 07:49:06
Kidding aside, the fact that Jerry Jones was booed in Texas is excreable. 
 
The Steelers could go zero for a decade and no Rooney would ever be booed in Pittsburgh.
 
 
JRPfeff
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/28 08:51:12
I wouldn't paint Cowboys' fans in a bad way in comparison to Steelers' fans. The Steelers have never been an ego trip for the Rooney's. The Rooney's have never been above the team. Let a Rooney start directing the decisions of his GM and head coach and you may hear boos before too long.
MetroplexJim
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/28 09:28:40
JRPfeff

I wouldn't paint Cowboys' fans in a bad way in comparison to Steelers' fans. The Steelers have never been an ego trip for the Rooney's. The Rooney's have never been above the team. Let a Rooney start directing the decisions of his GM and head coach and you may hear boos before too long.


You most definitely do have a point there.
 
To quote Inspector Callahan: "A man has to know his limits".
 
In any case, Jones is a "classier act" than the Midget Megalomaniac, Danny Snyder. 
 
(And yes, that is intentionally faint praise).
 
saps
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/28 13:09:37
Saying that Jones is a "classier act" than Snyder is like saying which fart smells better.
Texascajun
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/28 14:14:29
I would never boo him. I remember the 90's teams, and he gave up his time to present the trophies to the high school kids. As I said it was tacky and rude. I disagree with some of his decisions but I'm sure he wishes the Cowboys would be back to the Superbowl and at least the playoffs as much or more than me.
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Junior Burger
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 10:44:30

MetroplexJim
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 11:04:58
As a Steelers fan I have to keep repeating to myself:
 
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
 
But why did they have to miss a 41 yard FG on a windless, 70 degree day?
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 11:25:12
No question about it, there were some tough losses yesterday.
 
But if the teams that missed out had taken care of business in previous games there wouldn't have been any issues.
Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 12:00:16
Well, another pro football season is over. No more games to watch, that are of any interest to me. But wait till next year. The Giants are going to be heading to the Super Bowl. With any luck at all they'll be playing the Steelers, and they will be winning their fifth Super Bowl, denying Pittsburgh its seventh. And lleechef will no longer be talking to me.
WarToad
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 12:51:44
I'm calling the Seahawks all the way.  I'll even put some fake internet money down on that.
buffetbuster
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 12:57:25
Michael-
Can't even imagine what a Giants-Steelers Super Bowl would be like in your household.   I would have to drive to Columbus just to see it in person.  And even if lleechef quits talking, this Steelers fan would continue to talk to you!
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 13:12:53
MetroplexJim 

But why did they have to miss a 41 yard FG on a windless, 70 degree day?
I suppose you've heard by now that the Chargers lined up in an illegal formation but no flag was thrown...
buffetbuster
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 13:19:37
There is a lot of whining going on here in Yinzerville today, but beat the Vikings or the Raiders or the Dolphins at home (in the snow!) and the kick would have been irrelevant.  They got what they deserve.
MetroplexJim
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 13:41:10
ScreamingChicken

MetroplexJim 
 
But why did they have to miss a 41 yard FG on a windless, 70 degree day?
I suppose you've heard by now that the Chargers lined up in an illegal formation but no flag was thrown...


"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
 
ILLEGAL FORMATION AND THE REFS BLEW IT!!!
 
EXHALE, JIMMY.  Just exhale...
 
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".
"Kansas City earned the right to bench their starters".

Ommmm.
Ommmm.
MetroplexJim
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 13:43:25
buffetbuster

There is a lot of whining going on here in Yinzerville today, but beat the Vikings or the Raiders or the Dolphins at home (in the snow!) and the kick would have been irrelevant.  They got what they deserve.


Damn straight!
 
Thanks for a reality dose, Cliff.
 
Now, I feel better.
Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 14:16:48
buffetbuster

Michael-
Can't even imagine what a Giants-Steelers Super Bowl would be like in your household.   I would have to drive to Columbus just to see it in person.  And even if lleechef quits talking, this Steelers fan would continue to talk to you!

And the Penguins beat the Bluejackets last night in Columbus. When we went to lunch yesterday the Steelers game was on the big screen in thbe bar and the place was about half filled with Steelers fans, a lot of them in town for last night's Penguins-Jackets game.
 
By the way, I look forward to having you here for the 2015 Super Bowl game. Be sure to wear your Steelers gear. I'll make sub sandwiches. You like capicola, mortadella, sopressata, Genoa and sharp provolone, don't you?
lleechef
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 14:53:49
buffetbuster

Michael-
Can't even imagine what a Giants-Steelers Super Bowl would be like in your household.   I would have to drive to Columbus just to see it in person.  And even if lleechef quits talking, this Steelers fan would continue to talk to you!

Traitor!  Us Yinzers have to stick together!!
buffetbuster
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 15:31:54
lleechef-
Why would I not want to talk to Michael, since we both know the Steelers will win!
 
Michael-
Any chance you could put fries and cole slaw on that sub?
Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2013/12/30 15:53:48
Now that sounds familiar. But no slice of very hard tomato?
MetroplexJim
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/05 08:47:26
The well-rested Kansas City Chiefs lose to Indy.
 
Now, ain't that a pity?
 

勝美
Junior Burger
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/12 16:12:56

Crybaby Harbaugh, Fortywhiners coach, gets an unsportsmanlike.   



Should have been an ejection.

Davydd
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/12 16:38:28
Turns out Harbaugh was right. It was a touchdown on further review.
 
A head coach coming onto the field in a dispute is not an ejection.
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Junior Burger
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/12 20:41:07
Davydd

Turns out Harbaugh was right. It was a touchdown on further review.



So what? That has no bearing on the situation.

Davydd

A head coach coming onto the field in a dispute is not an ejection.



A head coach is never allowed on the field during a game.

Harbough was issued a red challenge flag just like all the other NFL coaches.

During the last two minutes of each half, a coach cannot protest a call. The replay officials call challenges and alert the officials. Any play that looks questionable is challenged automatically.

So. Harbaugh ran onto the field to protest. Within two minutes of halftime. 

That is a flagrant violation.

NFL Rules

Violations [unsportsmanlike conduct] which occur before or during the game may result in disqualification in addition to the yardage penalty. Any violation at the game site on the day of the game, including postgame, may result in discipline by the Commissioner.



He should have been ejected.

Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/12 21:20:32
Veronica T

Davydd

Turns out Harbaugh was right. It was a touchdown on further review.



So what? That has no bearing on the situation.

Davydd

A head coach coming onto the field in a dispute is not an ejection.



A head coach is never allowed on the field during a game.

Harbough was issued a red challenge flag just like all the other NFL coaches.

During the last two minutes of each half, a coach cannot protest a call. The replay officials call challenges and alert the officials. Any play that looks questionable is challenged automatically.

So. Harbaugh ran onto the field to protest. Within two minutes of halftime. 

That is a flagrant violation.

NFL Rules

Violations [unsportsmanlike conduct] which occur before or during the game may result in disqualification in addition to the yardage penalty. Any violation at the game site on the day of the game, including postgame, may result in discipline by the Commissioner.



He should have been ejected.

I just went through the 2013 NFL Rules Book and was unable to find a single provision for an ejection of a coach. I did find, not in the rule book, that there has never been a coach ejection in the NFL.
pnwchef
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/12 22:14:28
Next weekend the Battle in Seattle, if Harbaugh complains to the ref's they won't hear a dam thing he say's...........Go Hawks.........
Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/12 22:22:44
pnwchef

Next weekend the Battle in Seattle, if Harbaugh complains to the ref's they won't hear a dam thing he say's...........Go Hawks.........

We'll be rooting for the Seahawks. I because I'm a big fan of Seattle, the city, and lleechef because she doesn't want the 49ers to get to the Super Bowl where they might win and tie her Steelers with six rings.

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Junior Burger
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/12 23:44:13


Michael Hoffman
I just went through the 2013 NFL Rules Book and was unable to find a single provision for an ejection of a coach. I did find, not in the rule book, that there has never been a coach ejection in the NFL.


Rule 13-1-2. Illegal conduct by non-players (also exclusion for flagrant violations), i.e. non-players going on field without permission (other than team attendants during a team time out). 

Any unsportsmanlike conduct is a fifteen yard penalty and the officials have the option of ejecting for flagrant violations.  

Coaches are not even supposed to step on broad white sideline. Harbough was on the field during the play.  

And then he ran to an official near the hashmarks to protest. There is no challenging a play within the final two minutes of each half of the game. That constitutes a flagrant violation.

Here's another one you may not be aware of. There is a rule regarding excessive crowd noise. 

The home team cannot be penalized for crowd noise but they can be charged with a time out.

Seattle's twelfth man might be in for a surprise. 

post edited by Veronica T - 2014/01/12 23:47:13
pnwchef
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 09:22:43
If you ever went to a Seahawks game you would know, if the Ref does call time out because of the noise, it would just be louder when time resumes. The refs know this, they may give SF one time out, but, that would be a mistake. SF should just bring earplugs, any earthquake gear they have and crying towels. This game will be one of the hardest hitting games you will see this year..................Go Hawks...........Hawks 38.......49ers 21
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Junior Burger
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 10:10:30

pnwchef

If you ever went to a Seahawks game you would know, if the Ref does call time out because of the noise, it would just be louder when time resumes. The refs know this, they may give SF one time out, but, that would be a mistake. SF should just bring earplugs, any earthquake gear they have and crying towels. This game will be one of the hardest hitting games you will see this year..................Go Hawks...........Hawks 38.......49ers 21


Whoopsy daisy. My bad. A team can lose yardage for excessive crowd noise.

NFL Rules

When, in the judgment of the Referee, the level of crowd noise prevents the offense from hearing its signals, he can institute a series of procedures which can result in a loss of team time outs or a five-yard penalty against the defensive team.



So. After the Seahawks zip through their time outs they'll be penalized yardage.

And if you have ever been to a Badger or Packer football game, when the defensive players start to make that quiet down motion, you'd know it is a good idea to settle down.


pnwchef
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 11:46:26
Not Gonna Happen..............Seattle has great fans, they just like showing it in a loud way......
 


 
post edited by pnwchef - 2014/01/13 11:48:33
Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 12:35:11
Yep, there is the mention that the referee has the option to disqualify a coach for a flagrant violation. Considering the fact, though, that no coach in the NFL has ever been ejected, and further that the first call is for a yardage penalty, then no disqualification was even close to being ruled in this case.
lleechef
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 12:41:36
Well then the refs would have disqualified Coach Cowher for continually spitting while screaming at the Steelers!!!  That's a "flagrant violation"! 
Davydd
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 12:50:43
Harbaugh was no where near the play so was not affecting the action like Mike Tomlin was thought to have done earlier this season. Tomlin got a heavy fine afterwards but he was not ejected. The penalty was good enough especially considering the emotion and heat of the action. As I said, Harbaugh was right and if they hadn't reviewed the play there would have been a bigger stink later. Though I think they automatically review them anyway and, if so, Harbaugh's action probably wasn't necessary. He's just an overly emotional guy with an outstanding pirouette move that would be the envy of an Olympic ice skater. In this case, no harm, no foul, and the refs acted appropriately within the rules.
 
If they started ejecting coaches stepping over the line in games it would get ridiculous. Most all do it in every game.
Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 13:04:12
Davydd


If they started ejecting coaches stepping over the line in games it would get ridiculous. Most all do it in every game.

They also violate the rule during timeouts. I've never known of a coach at any level, from pee wee through the NFL, who didn't cross into the field of play.

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Junior Burger
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 13:45:04


Michael Hoffman

Yep, there is the mention that the referee has the option to disqualify a coach for a flagrant violation.



Ah ha. You changed your tune and admit I am right. Thank you.

Michael Hoffman 

...  the first call is for a yardage penalty ... 



Wrong. The first unsportsmanlike conduct call is not a yardage penalty. The first call is for a fifteen yard penalty AND ejection at the official's discretion if the infraction was severe.

Harbough was on the field during a play (as seen in the above photograph). That in itself should be an ejection. Then he compounded it by running towards the official and by contesting a decision with the two minute warning. 
If the officials had thrown the flag earlier, the play would have been stopped. There wouldn't have been a touchdown. The fifteen yards would have been from the original line of scrimmage.

Michael Hoffman

... Considering the fact, though, that no coach in the NFL has ever been ejected ...,



Wrong again. The fact is that there is no record of an NFL coach having been ejected. What about that big game between the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Cincinnati Reds? Oh yeah. That was before the NFL kept careful statics.

So saying that no coach in the NFL has ever been ejected is not a fact.

We've recently had another example of a coach on the field. 



The officials could have ruled palpably unfair and awarded the Ravens a touchdown because Tomlin impeded the runner's progress.

Yes. A team can be awarded points without having scored.

No penalty was called. At the very least Tomlin should have gotten nailed with an unsportsmanlike. However, on review by the league, Tomlin was slapped with a $100,000 fine and the Steelers may face loss of draft picks.

Other notable coaches who have been slapped are Belichek (fined $500,000) and Payton (suspended for the entire 2012 season and forfeited $5.8 million of his $7.1 million salary).

Just because they have laminated charts and highlighter magic markers doesn't make them special.
post edited by Veronica T - 2014/01/13 13:58:22
Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 14:05:59
I changed my tune? How extraordinarily bitchy of you. By the way, which season was that Reds-Dodgers game -- 1933 or 1934? And if there's no record of an NFL coach being disqualified then there's no record of an NFL coach being disqualified, as I said.
post edited by Michael Hoffman - 2014/01/13 14:09:42
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Junior Burger
Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 14:14:39
Michael Hoffman 

I just went through the 2013 NFL Rules Book and was unable to find a single provision for an ejection of a coach.

I did find, not in the rule book, that there has never been a coach ejection in the NFL.

porkbeaks
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 14:21:11
Sounds like a sour grapes vent by a whiny cheesehead to me.


Michael Hoffman

I changed my tune? How extraordinarily bitchy of you. By the way, which season was that Reds-Dodgers game -- 1933 or 1934? And if there's no record of an NFL coach being disqualified then there's no record of an NFL coach being disqualified, as I said.


Michael Hoffman
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 14:25:21
porkbeaks

Sounds like a sour grapes vent by a whiny cheesehead to me.


Michael Hoffman

I changed my tune? How extraordinarily bitchy of you. By the way, which season was that Reds-Dodgers game -- 1933 or 1934? And if there's no record of an NFL coach being disqualified then there's no record of an NFL coach being disqualified, as I said.


And most of the Packers fans I've known have been quite gracious, including my son-in-law.
RKB
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 14:47:43
Dodgers - Reds?? When did they play in the NFL?????  " />" />
post edited by RKB - 2014/01/13 14:51:15
porkbeaks
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/13 14:58:12
As Michael said, around 1933. The Reds came into the league the year after the Staten Island Stapletons dropped out.


RKB

Dodgers - Reds?? When did they play in the NFL?????  " />" />


RKB
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Re:Football Is Here -- Hallelujah! 2014/01/14 08:09:45
Wow. I did not know that they had football teams also. I learn something new every day. Maybe I should Google more often...
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