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Making Pastrami - Thu, 10/31/13 5:21 PM
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I'm getting Pastrami from RC Provisions in Burbank Ca., costs me an arm and leg, It's a Brisket, of course, anyone have a recipe for making it? I do Corned Beef here but the flavors are so different! I steam the Pastrimi 5 hours, it's already smoked and seasoned, I can do all that easily enough but I can't figure out the whole process. Any help??

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Re:Making Pastrami - Thu, 10/31/13 6:04 PM
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Tom, I'm paying $5.69 for the navel, what's the brisket costing?

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 12:07 AM
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Making Pastrami from scratch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdc1958DOm4

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 12:37 AM
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Don't know if this will be helpful or not, but I made a modified version of this recipe (link below) by Michael Ruhlman. Since I didn't have the time to cure the meat, I purchased a corned beef brisket from the meat department, then used Ruhlman's rub and smoking/steaming technique for the Cameron Stove Top Smoker.  It turned out great.  I imagine doing the entire recipe would be even better.
 
http://ruhlman.com/2011/09/how-to-make-pastrami/

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 1:06 AM
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This is the recipe I've used.
 
http://playingwithfireandsmoke.blogspot.com/1996/05/beef-pastrami.html
 

 

 
That's how it turned out.  I used the smoking and then finishing in pressure cooker method.
 

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 8:47 AM
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Wow--that looks awesome, Ed!!!

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 9:55 AM
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If I want good pastrami, I take a short 3000 mile flight and a cab to Katz....Tom, you can try a Dry cure, the amount of time depends on the weight. You will also have to trip the fat down to 1/8" so the rub gets into the meat. The other way would be a wet brine, if you already brine your brisket for corned beef, you can use the brined brisket. I would take the brined brisket and let it rest/dry out in the cooler  for a day or two. Then use a peppered spice mixture and smoke it up to 165 degrees.Let it set up in the cooler the same way you do your other smoked brisket...............?????????????  What temp do you smoke your briskets up to..................pnwc

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 10:13 AM
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Thanks for posting this.     ... I'm going to do a pastrami for the next Lodge meeting in 2 weeks.    I was thinking of buying cold sandwiches from Subway.
 
There are many recipes on the net. Most are similar. Some use corned beet (pre-cured) while other recipes are cure at home.   I've looked at these before but never tried it.
 
I will use EdSails posted recipe above or may be this http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes/2011/10/barbecue-pastrami-recipe.html
 
I need to order some Morton Tender quick today.

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 11:07 AM
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Himmm  ... I have to check my sauerkraut supply or start a new batch.
 

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 11:30 AM
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I'm getting Pastrami from RC Provisions in Burbank Ca., costs me an arm and leg, It's a Brisket, of course, anyone have a recipe for making it? I do Corned Beef here but the flavors are so different! I steam the Pastrimi 5 hours, it's already smoked and seasoned, I can do all that easily enough but I can't figure out the whole process. Any help??

If you have a smoker, take your corned beef and smoke it, makes a wonderful pastrami! Start by rubbing it with kosher salt, coriander, black pepper, ground mustard seed, and garlic. The coriander is a MUST! Before this, soak your corned beef in water, couple hours a pound, change water every couple of hours too. Rub it with the rub, smoke for and hour or so per pound, and you'll have a Pastrami that will be fantastic!!

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 12:10 PM
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pnwchef


If I want good pastrami, I take a short 3000 mile flight and a cab to Katz's....

 
You took the words right out of my mind. Thankfully, my flight would only be half as long, however.

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 12:47 PM
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BTW, EdSails, your pastrami looks fabulous!

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 12:48 PM
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Tom, I'm paying $5.69 for the navel, what's the brisket costing?

Chef, Full cut brisket costs me $2.54 lb. Sysco is charging me $6.57 for the navel. my first order from RC Provisions was $300.00 in freight alone, hence SYSCO, who I really dislike. I need to make it myself. I buy raw brined brisket for $3.10 lb. Penzys Corned Beef seasoning, 16 hour smoke, voila terriffic Corned beef, smoked, cooled, sliced, then on the Keating Flat Top for a quick heating, seriously good, really popular!
Tom

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 12:55 PM
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If I want good pastrami, I take a short 3000 mile flight and a cab to Katz....Tom, you can try a Dry cure, the amount of time depends on the weight. You will also have to trip the fat down to 1/8" so the rub gets into the meat. The other way would be a wet brine, if you already brine your brisket for corned beef, you can use the brined brisket. I would take the brined brisket and let it rest/dry out in the cooler  for a day or two. Then use a peppered spice mixture and smoke it up to 165 degrees.Let it set up in the cooler the same way you do your other smoked brisket...............?????????????  What temp do you smoke your briskets up to..................pnwc

Bill, I pull the briskets at around 195, wrap in foil for 24 hours, slice and rewarm them in a house beef broth, careful not to get too hot or it tastes like boiled meat, that has happened a few times, drives me nuts as I have to toss it, my lead cooks asleep at the wheel!

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 12:57 PM
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EdSails


This is the recipe I've used.

http://playingwithfireandsmoke.blogspot.com/1996/05/beef-pastrami.html





That's how it turned out.  I used the smoking and then finishing in pressure cooker method.



Awsome!

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 12:58 PM
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chewingthefat


I'm getting Pastrami from RC Provisions in Burbank Ca., costs me an arm and leg, It's a Brisket, of course, anyone have a recipe for making it? I do Corned Beef here but the flavors are so different! I steam the Pastrimi 5 hours, it's already smoked and seasoned, I can do all that easily enough but I can't figure out the whole process. Any help??

If you have a smoker, take your corned beef and smoke it, makes a wonderful pastrami! Start by rubbing it with kosher salt, coriander, black pepper, ground mustard seed, and garlic. The coriander is a MUST! Before this, soak your corned beef in water, couple hours a pound, change water every couple of hours too. Rub it with the rub, smoke for and hour or so per pound, and you'll have a Pastrami that will be fantastic!!

Thanks Kevin, sounds great!

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 2:25 PM
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chewingthefat


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chewingthefat


I'm getting Pastrami from RC Provisions in Burbank Ca., costs me an arm and leg, It's a Brisket, of course, anyone have a recipe for making it? I do Corned Beef here but the flavors are so different! I steam the Pastrimi 5 hours, it's already smoked and seasoned, I can do all that easily enough but I can't figure out the whole process. Any help??

If you have a smoker, take your corned beef and smoke it, makes a wonderful pastrami! Start by rubbing it with kosher salt, coriander, black pepper, ground mustard seed, and garlic. The coriander is a MUST! Before this, soak your corned beef in water, couple hours a pound, change water every couple of hours too. Rub it with the rub, smoke for and hour or so per pound, and you'll have a Pastrami that will be fantastic!!

Thanks Kevin, sounds great!

 
It really works well, just remember the soaking and changing water to get a bunch of the salt out! 

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Re:Making Pastrami - Fri, 11/1/13 3:12 PM
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Twinwillow


BTW, EdSails, your pastrami looks fabulous!

Thanks much, it was yummy!

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 11/4/13 6:19 PM
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Yea ... my morton tenderquick came today and a 10lb brisket now in the frig for a 4 day cure.   Friday night or Saturday morning, I will put it on the grill for a slow smoke.

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Re:Making Pastrami - Wed, 11/6/13 1:19 AM
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I made this yesterday and it turned out great. I had a 2.5 lb brisket, soaked it in the brine 8 hrs, cooked it for 3 1/2 hrs then wrapped it tightly in foil and refrigerated immediately. I let it set in the fridge overnight to "rest" before I sliced it. Wasn't dry at all and sure beats paying $11.99 lb. at the store! Everyone loves it and it is so fragrant!


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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 11/11/13 8:53 PM
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Ok ...my 12 1/2 lb brisket had a 4 day dry rub cure.  I took it out of the frig Saturday about 12 noon. The cure was washed off and a dry rub of black pepper, coriander, and brown sugar was put on.  It was put back into the frig until about 4:30 pm and then was set on the counter to come to room temp.
 The grill was fired (5:30 pm) with about 12 hot charcoals and another 12 cold coals were placed on top along with pecan twigs.  More pecan was added at 7:30 pm to keep the smoking heavy.  This was just for smoking the meat.  ... The grill temp was 200 or just under.
 
The brisket was put on the grill at 6pm and taken off at 9pm.  It was then put into the electric roaster for the rest of the night.   The roaster temp was set just under 200 deg.  About 3 am I was up and checked the meat temp. It was 183 deg. I turned the temp down to 175 deg. then went back to bed.  At 7 am the meat temp was 178 deg.   The roaster was turned off to cool down.
 

 

 
Little buddies waiting for their piece ...

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 11/11/13 9:09 PM
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sandrew834


I made this yesterday and it turned out great. I had a 2.5 lb brisket, soaked it in the brine 8 hrs, cooked it for 3 1/2 hrs then wrapped it tightly in foil and refrigerated immediately. I let it set in the fridge overnight to "rest" before I sliced it. Wasn't dry at all and sure beats paying $11.99 lb. at the store! Everyone loves it and it is so fragrant!

 
Could someone please explain to me why this post was flagged?

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 11/11/13 9:15 PM
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It's cut/copied comments from another site...


http://my.foodnetwork.com...yle.esi?userid=3712747

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 11/11/13 9:21 PM
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Looks good Ed , cute kitties.

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 11/11/13 9:24 PM
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My wife's Aunt asked why was the meat 'black'  ... She thought it was burnt.   ... Anyways, I told her it was because   ... I knew what I was doing.  ... hahaha   ... heck now I'm hungry, I think a sandwich is next.

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 11/11/13 10:10 PM
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Twinwillow


sandrew834


I made this yesterday and it turned out great. I had a 2.5 lb brisket, soaked it in the brine 8 hrs, cooked it for 3 1/2 hrs then wrapped it tightly in foil and refrigerated immediately. I let it set in the fridge overnight to "rest" before I sliced it. Wasn't dry at all and sure beats paying $11.99 lb. at the store! Everyone loves it and it is so fragrant!


Could someone please explain to me why this post was flagged?

Probably because someone recognized that it was lifted directly from a comment on the Food Network website.

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 11/11/13 11:58 PM
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My thanks to Michael Hoffman and CCinNJ for the explanation. I did not realize that. But, I understand now.

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Re:Making Pastrami - Tue, 11/12/13 3:27 AM
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Uncle Groucho


Looks good Ed , cute kitties.
   Thanks ... that was soo easy   and my version of  Katzs  ... er I mean Kitties ...


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Re:Making Pastrami - Tue, 11/12/13 10:02 AM
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edwmax


Uncle Groucho


Looks good Ed , cute kitties.
   Thanks ... that was soo easy   and my version of  Katzs  ... er I mean Kitties ...


ed, looks great, looks like we have a new deli, Catz's, now learn how to make Knish..............

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Re:Making Pastrami - Tue, 11/12/13 3:08 PM
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Twinwillow


My thanks to Michael Hoffman and CCinNJ for the explanation. I did not realize that. But, I understand now.

And EVERY post Sandrew has made has been lifted from another site and reposted here as their own.


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Re:Making Pastrami - Tue, 11/12/13 4:23 PM
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Thanks, CK. 

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Re:Making Pastrami - Wed, 11/13/13 9:00 AM
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It's about the same with Albert12, two more this morning in the breakfast forum.

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 02/17/14 3:12 PM
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I looked in my freezer, and there was a 5 lb corned beef from last St. Patrick's Day (bought at $1.99 a pound). I defrosted it, took it out, and it smelled fine (and I have a VERY good nose for such things), so I decided to try smoking it. I looked around for recipes (thanks, guys!) and settled on putting it in my Cameron smoker with pickling spice and extra black pepper (for smoke, I used 2 tbs oak, one apple, one cherry), putting water in the drip tray, and putting it on the stovetop for an 1 1/2 hours; then I added more water, recovered it, and put the whole thing in a 300 F oven for another 2 hours. The meat thermometer read 175 F, so I figured it was done. The texture was more like pastrami than corned beef, the fat was almost gone (it was a thin cut), and it tasted like, well, smoked corned beef. Not pastrami, but absolutely delicious. St. Patrick's Day is coming up; I'll probably buy a couple more on sale corned beefs and try it again, maybe with a more flavorful smoke like hickory this time.
 
Bart

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Re:Making Pastrami - Mon, 02/17/14 3:45 PM
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I looked in my freezer, and there was a 5 lb corned beef from last St. Patrick's Day (bought at $1.99 a pound). I defrosted it, took it out, and it smelled fine (and I have a VERY good nose for such things), so I decided to try smoking it. I looked around for recipes (thanks, guys!) and settled on putting it in my Cameron smoker with pickling spice and extra black pepper (for smoke, I used 2 tbs oak, one apple, one cherry), putting water in the drip tray, and putting it on the stovetop for an 1 1/2 hours; then I added more water, recovered it, and put the whole thing in a 300 F oven for another 2 hours. The meat thermometer read 175 F, so I figured it was done. The texture was more like pastrami than corned beef, the fat was almost gone (it was a thin cut), and it tasted like, well, smoked corned beef. Not pastrami, but absolutely delicious. St. Patrick's Day is coming up; I'll probably buy a couple more on sale corned beefs and try it again, maybe with a more flavorful smoke like hickory this time.

Bart

Awesome, Bart. 

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Re:Making Pastrami - Tue, 02/18/14 12:55 PM
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I like to smoke the commercial corned beef also. My local military commissary store tends to overbuy for St Paddy's and usually discounts them afterwards, last year they were as low as $1.44/lb. (I bought the last 11 that they had, they do freeze well).
I just rub them with some Montreal Steak seasoning with some coriander seed added, 2 oz cherry wood, and into the Cookshack until they hit 185 deg. It's not pastrami but it is excellent. It makes awesome smoked corned beef hash.