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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 5:18 PM
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jman

To me, it's amazing that anyone would think that what Stewart says about pizza deserves a thread at Roadfood.

I take it you have the "Miscellaneous - Off Topic & "Lighter Fare" forum filtered out?
 
Go take a look

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 6:20 PM
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Michael, when you say Apizza, I wouldn't say what, I would say when!

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 6:22 PM
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Meet you at Jerry's in an hour.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 7:09 PM
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To me, it's amazing that anyone would think that what Stewart says about pizza deserves a thread at Roadfood.

 
Why? 
 
a)  Because I thought Stewart's rant was hilarious and most likely would be enjoyed by Roadfooders with either a sense of humor, or an opinion on Chicago vs. NYC pizza, or (hopefullly) both. 
 
(For some reaso - no doubt a perverse one - I am highly entertained by "rants":  Stewart, Lewis Black, Dennis Miller, Dennis Leary, Chevy Chase in the Vacation movies and Funny Farm, and the late, great Sam Kineson).
 
b)  Because I thought the topic might generate good humor, spirited exchanges, photos, and good information.  The proof of the pie is in the eating; here we are on page three.  Among other things I have learned is that there is such a thing as Milwaukee Pizza (which looks very much like its St. Louis cousin) and the correct term for square pieces:  The Tavern Cut.  And, I'll be checking out that thread that buffetbuster found to be so entertaining. 

Even though I considered the "Misc. - Food Related" forum, Stewart's rant was, after all, about pizza, so I put it here.
 
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BTW: I am writing this in good humor and in a light spirit.  Unfortunately, cold print does not properly convey this.  But believe me, jman, if we were having this conversation over a beer we'd both be laughting our a$$es off. 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 11/18/13 11:21 PM
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Stewart tonight just said that since gay marriage is now legal in Hawaii, there is only one abomination left in Hawaii and even Chicagoans feel ham and pineapple on a pizza is just plain wrong!
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 9:06 AM
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Stewart tonight just said that since gay marriage is now legal in Hawaii, there is only one abomination left in Hawaii and even  Chicagoans feel ham and pineapple on a pizza is just plain wrong!


You beat me to the post!
 
Even though I Hawaiian pizza toppings:  extra cheese, carmelized pineapple, and Canadian Bacon on a thin, crisp crust , Stewart's comment still made me laugh.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 9:33 AM
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Roger on the pineapple but just try getting a pizza from the pizza in Loudwater UK that doesn't have corn on it. Chicagoans might like that since their deep dish is more like a casserole anyway. HAH! 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 9:57 AM
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<intolerance>
all real bbq is pork, as everyone knows, so of course all brisket is just glorified lunchmeat
</intolerance>

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 10:40 AM
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TJ Jackson


<intolerance>
all real bbq is pork, as everyone knows, so of course all brisket is just glorified lunchmeat
</intolerance>


It is true that the real, genuine, and original barbecue is Eastern Carolina minced whole hog.
 
And, I must credit both Jewish Delis and Texas pitmasters for the time, care, skill, and technique they employ in converting a cheap cut of beef into something that is really quite tasty.  But, I will also commend only the Delis for 'truth in labeling'.
 
Since "barbecue" and "BBQ" were never trademarked, the misguided Texans are merely exercising their First Amendment right.  So, I'll cite Texans - like Chicagoans with their 'pizza' - as merely being confused rather than malignantly Orwellian in these instances.
 
All that said, I am not intolerant; I am merely a stickler for a language that is quickly and ominously becoming Orwellian.  I, in fact, find both Texas Smoked Beef and Chicago Tomato & Cheese Casserole to be really quite tasty. 
 
God Bless America!
 
(BTW: properly, barbecue is a noun, not a verb. )

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 10:48 AM
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Barbecue as a noun is used most typically in the South.
http://www.roadfood.com/F...n-or-verb-m103367.aspx

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 10:57 AM
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This is getting funnier by the post.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 11:15 AM
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brisketboy


This is getting funnier by the post.

You must mean something different than I do when you say "Funnier."
 
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 11:24 AM
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I think in Gary, Indiana, the birthplace of pizza, barbecue is a verb. 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 11:39 AM
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lleechef


I think in Gary, Indiana, the birthplace of pizza, barbecue is a verb. 



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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 11:41 AM
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lleechef


I think ... barbecue is a verb.
 

 
Sad, but understandible. 
 
After I left "our Mother Fair" I went South to continue my education; you went to France to continue yours.
 
(And, in fairness, I must also note that in our Pittsburgh youth "barbecuing" always involved a charcoal grill).
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/19/13 11:53 AM
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Why sure!  "Are yinz barbecuin steaks for supper?"
Or in French: "On va faire une barbecue!"
Sheesh, it's so simple.  Even the folks in Gary know that.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/21/13 8:45 AM
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Last night Jon Stewart bowed to the pressure put on him by Chicagoans and explained scientifically why NYC Pizza is superior:  It's Magic!
 
(Spoiler alert:  At the end, Stewart takes a bite of Chicago "Pizza" and concedes that it is "tasty"). 
 
 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/21/13 9:27 AM
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Cheesy NY accent?

Discount Daaa-ble Check.
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/21/13 9:46 AM
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Good stuff!  I'm not surprised that a Chicagoan took advantage of the marketing opportunity.  It's also a chance for Mike Ditka to show up on set with a plate of cheese and ask, "Want to guess where it's from?"
 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/21/13 6:03 PM
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Next stop: Calf.?

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Thu, 11/21/13 6:17 PM
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cavandre


Next stop: Calf.?


Yeah, sure. 
After all, nothing says "pizza" like a fat-free white pie on a gluten-free crust topped with poached, organic free-range chicken breast and arugula washed down with a lovely sulfite-free Chardonnay!
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/22/13 8:13 AM
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It has to be pizza, you don't drink beer with casserole...........

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Fri, 11/22/13 10:51 AM
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You do at my house.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 11/26/13 9:26 PM
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Just catching up on this thread. Normally Roadfood -- for all its great qualities -- is not known for its sense of humor, but am definitely enjoying this thread.
 
Thank you brisketboy for immediately correcting the "Chicago-style" stereotype. I grew up in the northwest suburbs and never even tried the stuff until I was an adult.
 
The best thing about the Chicago area is I didn't realize chains existed until I moved away because they couldn't survive against the local mom-and-pops.
 
That said, I do like an occasional slice of Giordano's or Lou Malnati's, but that stuff does not reheat well. 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 2:49 AM
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NY PIZZZA!! I miss NY :(

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 11:35 AM
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cavandre


Next stop: Calf.?


Yeah, sure. 
After all, nothing says "pizza" like a fat-free white pie on a gluten-free crust topped with poached, organic free-range chicken breast and arugula washed down with a lovely sulfite-free Chardonnay!

 
Boy, where can I find that? I've never had one here. I did have a good sausage and pepperoni pie last Friday though. Washed it down with a non-vintage Victory Feistbier. Now, that's pizza in California!

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 11:51 AM
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Pepperoni? On an apizza? Pepperoni is for sandwiches.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 12:20 PM
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MilwFoodlovers


Stewart tonight just said that since gay marriage is now legal in Hawaii, there is only one abomination left in Hawaii and even  Chicagoans feel ham and pineapple on a pizza is just plain wrong!


You beat me to the post!

Even though I Hawaiian pizza toppings:  extra cheese, carmelized pineapple, and Canadian Bacon on a thin, crisp crust , Stewart's comment still made me laugh.

 
Jim, your ingredients for Hawaiian doesn't include the sauce.  I didn't think pineapple would work at first, but liked it right away.  But in the beginning, here in the upper Midwest, my experience was that it had regular pizza sauce.
 
But lately it seems everyone wants to use barbeque sauce instead.  Seems like we're getting a lot of copycat recipes as the idea spreads.
 
Not for me, I like it with regular.  But I wonder if it's not getting mixed up with barbecue chicken pizza.  Both of them hit central Wisconsin (says me, the 'expert'), in the early 90's.  I like 'em both just fine.  And all those other kinds too.
 
Never been to Connecticut, but I'd sure like to have some appizas and tomato pies.
 

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 4:00 PM
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Shakey's had pineapple on a pizza maybe 30 years ago.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 4:26 PM
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I can remember seeing a pizzeria sign on U.S. 22 in New Jersey in 1965 advertising, among other things, apizza with pineapple on it. I remember that quite clearly for two reasons. First, I had never heard of such an abomination and second, I was driving to Charleston, West Virginia to start a job as news director at radio station WKAZ.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 5:48 PM
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I don't like American pizza but I really would like to have a clam pie from Pepe's.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 6:04 PM
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In that case I'll order a pie from Papa John's for dinner tonight.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 6:26 PM
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lleechef
 

I don't like American pizza but I really would like to have a clam pie from Pepe's. 
 

Michael Hoffman


In that case I'll order a pie from Papa John's for dinner tonight.

Oh, I'd really like to be a fly on the wall at their house!
 


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 6:49 PM
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lleechef
 

I don't like American pizza but I really would like to have a clam pie from Pepe's. 
 

Michael Hoffman


In that case I'll order a pie from Papa John's for dinner tonight.

Oh, I'd really like to be a fly on the wall at their house!




Papa Johns is the Arby's of the pizza world, isn't it?
I bet it was founded in Gary Indiana.


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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 8:06 PM
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Everything good was founded in Gary, Indiana. That's why they wrote the song.
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana
Gary, Indiana, let me say it once again
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana
Gary, Indiana, that's the town that they knew new stuff

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 8:52 PM
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Everything good was founded in Gary, Indiana. That's why they wrote the song.
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana
Gary, Indiana, let me say it once again
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana
Gary, Indiana, that's the town that they knew new stuff

I liked Ronny Howard's version better but Robert Preston is cool too.
[tube]<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/z39WxjSW75A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/tube]
Hmm, that didn't work and neither does this I guess but at least it's clickable. http://youtu.be/z39WxjSW75A
Wishing you and the Chef Happy Holidays.
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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Tue, 12/10/13 9:02 PM
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Thank you, and the same to you and yours.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Sun, 02/16/14 9:48 PM
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I lived in Chicago for 8 years and enjoyed tons of pizza..Its a pizza centric city..there is a pizza joint on each end of every block..90 % of them serve thin crust cut in squares and a lot of it is great, a lot of is not. I have had the deep dish and stuffed and I loved and hated them too.
 
There are as many was to prepare a pizza as there are cuts of steak..each have their own pluses and minuses. I have to admit, I have yet to try a "New York " pizza, though I have spent 42 of my 56 years living in New York State...I think its simply juvenile to denigrate one style of pizza over another.....good food is good food... open your tiny little minds and experiment with other attitudes on food.

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Re:Pizza: Chicago vs. NYC - Jon Stewart's take - Mon, 02/17/14 12:08 PM
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Mmmm PIZZA! I have a favorite joint that serves deliciously good deep dish pizza called "Chicago Fire" a chain restaurant I know but nonetheless good deep dish pizza being served, And a couple of other spots in town that have the thin crust Neapolitan style pizza DOWN! It's all about the crust for both styles of pizza. Sometimes i'm in the mood for delicious bone sticking deep dish pizza, and other times its simple light uber fresh toped delicious thin crust pizza. You just have to find the right spots that are actually doing it right. Once you have found these places serving "Pizza Nirvana" Thank the culinary Gods for their existence............Mangia Bene, Ciao     
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