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High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Mon, 12/2/13 8:37 AM
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I am currrently working on a project for my engineering class at ocean city high school. My idea is to design a deli meat/cheese, slicer/dispenser. It will either simply just dispense the meats and cheeses or possibly slice them on command. What do you guys think? Any suggestions or criticism would be greatly appreciated! thanks!

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Mon, 12/2/13 9:01 AM
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Issue #1: refrigeration
Obviously, your machines could not be just room temperature; otherwise you would have an e-coli dispenser.
 
Issue #2: varieties
Even the local grocery-deli has, e.g., 10 types of ham (Country Club, Virginia, Honey, Black Forest, Maple, ..., etc.).  Multiply that by brand names (Hormel, Boar's Head, Farmer's, Sara Lee, ... , etc.) and you would need 60 or so dispensers just for the hams! 
 
Then, the pastrami, sorned beef, Cajun turkey, roast beef, ..., etc. 
 
Then the cheeses. 
 
You'd need 100's of dispensers just to cover the combinations and permutations of what is available at the typical store.
 
That shoud get you started.
 
Welcome to Roadfood!!!
 
 

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Mon, 12/2/13 3:06 PM
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for the above reasons.........might be better as sandwich slicer......but even there, you have differing temps that food s/b kept at if not in the refrigerated case
 
Oh.and you must be one kewl person to think up this project...I wish you luck. Beats the kids that are growing mold for the first time by several miles!
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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Mon, 12/2/13 3:14 PM
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SamDurham3


I am currrently working on a project for my engineering class at ocean city high school. My idea is to design a deli meat/cheese, slicer/dispenser. It will either simply just dispense the meats and cheeses or possibly slice them on command. What do you guys think? Any suggestions or criticism would be greatly appreciated! thanks!

Don't let naysayers get you down! As an engineer myself, I know the value of creative thought, keep it up. Yes, it is a complex system to analyse, but then again, as engineers we gladly take on that task!

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Mon, 12/2/13 3:25 PM
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kevincad


SamDurham3


I am currrently working on a project for my engineering class at ocean city high school. My idea is to design a deli meat/cheese, slicer/dispenser. It will either simply just dispense the meats and cheeses or possibly slice them on command. What do you guys think? Any suggestions or criticism would be greatly appreciated! thanks!

Don't let naysayers get you down! As an engineer myself, I know the value of creative thought, keep it up. Yes, it is a complex system to analyse, but then again, as engineers we gladly take on that task!


Please don't consider us to be 'naysayers'.  You asked an honest question and i gave you an honest answer.  No part of that answer was "stop developing the concept".
 
The fact is that the USA has led the world in innovation since 1880 or so.  And, over time, this lead has widened at an accelerating pace as we still remain a free society in which the innovative may still benefit greatly from the fruit of their thought and labor.  Liberty is the goose that lays the "Golden Eggs".  Keep it up.  You are the future.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Tue, 12/3/13 1:34 AM
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Based on the original post, I'm not sure if he is a student or the teacher???????
Which is it Sam??

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Tue, 12/3/13 2:25 PM
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Foodbme


Based on the original post, I'm not sure if he is a student or the teacher???????
Which is it Sam??


Definitely a student.
If I'm wrong about that, then Scottsdale is verdant and bears use commodes & CharminTM.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 8:12 AM
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SamDurham3
I am currrently working on a project for my engineering class at ocean city high school. My idea is to design a deli meat/cheese, slicer/dispenser. It will either simply just dispense the meats and cheeses or possibly slice them on command. What do you guys think? Any suggestions or criticism would be greatly appreciated! thanks!

One hint, having read a bunch of the other replies. Take the reasons given for not being able to do it as problems that need to be overcome, or worked around.
 
Now, if the problem is to design rather than build, you might consider following the model of the new sophisticated vending machines; consider about 9 kinds of meat and three kinds of cheese, in a 3x4 pattern, and robot arms that either bring the slicer to the meat or the meat to the slicer. This way, you can have an "auto-deli". Would probably do great in Japan.
 
Bart

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 9:22 AM
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MetroplexJim


Foodbme


Based on the original post, I'm not sure if he is a student or the teacher???????
Which is it Sam??


Definitely a student.
If I'm wrong about that, then Scottsdale is verdant and bears use commodes & CharminTM.

What the H*** you been Drinkin'???????

MetroplexJim
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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 9:58 AM
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Foodbme


MetroplexJim


Foodbme


Based on the original post, I'm not sure if he is a student or the teacher???????
Which is it Sam??


Definitely a student.
If I'm wrong about that, then Scottsdale is verdant and bears use commodes & CharminTM.

What the H*** you been Drinkin'???????


Like you on most topics, I'm a "Vice-Mayor of Realville". 
Just telling it like it is.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 10:09 AM
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I appreciate the feedback! Yes the goal is to have an adustable temperature as well as make it large enough and adjustable so that it could fit most size hams turkey etc... and maybe have a more streamlined version for the cheeses.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 10:12 AM
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Yes its designed around the basis of slicing fresh and dispensing the meats/cheeses on demand for the sandwiches as the orders come in.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 10:15 AM
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The naysayers are my motivation! they also help me improve on my idea. thanks for the response :)

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 10:18 AM
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My goal is to both design and have a prototype built by the end of the school year in june. It is a full year course on designing and developing a product. And that is a very interesting idea I will look into those vending machines for some inspiration! thanks!

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 10:19 AM
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I'm a senior in high school

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 11:08 AM
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A critical factor you need to also consider is sanitation and cleaning....especially since different items will be used up at different rates.  You can't have the machine idling for a 1/2 hour while the cheese slicer gets cleaned

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 11:11 AM
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Sam, you have a great idea, and I'm betting you'll do well.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 12:44 PM
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Sam - Welcome to Roadfood!  Remember, choosing the path less taken means a lot of discovery, satisfaction and potential reward.  Glad to see this kind of can do attitude.  Draw strength and a critical eye from the naysayers and best of luck!  Most delis seem to have 5-10 big sellers and that may be the area to concentrate on.  Fewer machines/slicers means less investment and space. 

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 1:19 PM
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SamDurham3


I'm a senior in high school


And I - a semi-retired businessman, investor, and entrepreneur - teach AP economics, business, finance, and marketing. 
 
Indeed, the future lies in the imaginations of my students. 
 
Well done; keep it up, kid!

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 1:25 PM
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SamDurham3, 
I agree with ChiTownDiner. Maybe it's best to make it for the best 10 items. Anything that's ordered say, less than 1 per 2 hours or so doesn't need the machine. Good luck.
 
And remember the famous song (before your time, of course):
"My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades" 
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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 1:30 PM
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MetroplexJim


SamDurham3


I'm a senior in high school


And I - a semi-retired businessman, investor, and entrepreneur - teach AP economics, business, finance, and marketing. 

Indeed, the future lies in the imaginations of my students. 

Well done; keep it up, kid!

As an engineer, I say you are correct, imagination is a good thing, indeed! 

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 1:44 PM
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Sam...


Due to many factors....in the cold cut/sandwich business meat & cheese are and should ALWAYS be sliced on separate machines.

Even if a combo machine worked flawlessly from an engineering standpoint...it would never be utilized by a business due to various religious & cultural reasons . Especially any business in this area.
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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 4:28 PM
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One other thing to consider, in terms of feasibility: health departments tend to be populated by petty people, who stick to the letter of regulations, and are deathly afraid of anything new. However..
 
Here's some inpsiration:
http://singularityhub.com/2012/07/16/next-up-for-robotic-automation-serving-pizza-untouched-by-human-hands/
http://www.delish.com/food-fun/unusual-vending-machine-foods#slide-8
One that will make a lot of people here nervous: http://www.delish.com/food-fun/unusual-vending-machine-foods#slide-12
 
Bart
 

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Wed, 12/4/13 4:33 PM
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One more thing. I'm going to give you what I generally call the 3 basic principles for systems analysis:
1) Do not try to solve a problem until you have clearly defined it.
2) If a solution does not solve the problem, remember that you are solving the problem, NOT the solution.
3) Do not break the rules unless you understand them, and the reason for breaking them.
 
As near as I can tell, you are trying to implement a solution without a problem. I suggest that before you go any further, you make sure that you have a clear statement of an existing problem that the meat slicer is intended to solve.
 
Bart

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 8:25 AM
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bartl


One more thing. I'm going to give you what I generally call the 3 basic principles for systems analysis:
1) Do not try to solve a problem until you have clearly defined it.
2) If a solution does not solve the problem, remember that you are solving the problem, NOT the solution.
3) Do not break the rules unless you understand them, and the reason for breaking them.



That brings back some fond memories of one of my favorite grad school professors:  Roland McKean, one of the fathers of Systems Analytics and a man of immense common-sense.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 9:14 AM
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Thanks for the suggestion! that is something that I should definitely take into consideration that the produt should be desgined around the big sellers.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 9:18 AM
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Yes this is very true. the slicer is designed to be able to hold most sizes/shapes of meats/cheeses but this does not necessarily mean that multiple meats/cheeses have to go into the machine. one may have a dedicated ham slicer or a dedicated turkey slicer so that no other meats or cheeses actually go in there even though it is possble.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 9:24 AM
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bartl


One more thing. I'm going to give you what I generally call the 3 basic principles for systems analysis:
1) Do not try to solve a problem until you have clearly defined it.
2) If a solution does not solve the problem, remember that you are solving the problem, NOT the solution.
3) Do not break the rules unless you understand them, and the reason for breaking them.

As near as I can tell, you are trying to implement a solution without a problem. I suggest that before you go any further, you make sure that you have a clear statement of an existing problem that the meat slicer is intended to solve.

Bart


Bart you sound like my teacher! The problem is that in some cases restaraunts/delis slice there meats a couple days in advance. at least where i work they do. and after theyre sliced the slices are stacked on top of each other. When orders are flooding in it becomes very difficult to get all of the correct meats/cheeses out/seperated to make a sandwich or hoagie. My goal is to develop a slicer that would slice the meats on demand to maintain freshness and to also dispense the slices individually so one does not have to take the time and seperate each slice individually.

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 9:29 AM
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Thank you for all the encouragement and criticism everybody! Im still learning how to use this forum so please excuse any mistakes i make If anyone is near Ocean City, New Jersey next summer stop by Browns Restaraunt and I'll make you a sandwich

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 10:07 AM
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I don't know about the sandwiches, but the donuts look fantastic!

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 10:27 AM
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Did someone say donuts?

A revolutionary new donut dispensing machine would be fun more practical/useful & with less hurdles...


http://www.lilorbits.com


I don't know any other way but building a sandwich right from the slicer using freshly-sliced cold cuts. Independent delis & customers in the NYC area would never have it any other way.
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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 7:47 PM
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Actually, this is not that difficult.  
 
The first problem stated was refrigeration.   ...  Simple refrigerate the display case.   ... Therefore, this is more applicable for unattended vending or self-serve dell; or a deli where the server press the buttons to get specific meats and cheese sliced then, then builds the customer sandwich.
 
The next problem was contamination; either cross product or pathogen growth (e coli, mold).    Again, easy   ... one product; one slicer.   This in a refrigerated case and each slicer is dedicated to one product, cleaning only needs to be at a regular service intervals.  ... Pathogen growth and cross contamination is minimized by proper temperature and dedicated use of each slicer.
 
No I'm not building up the 10 each $2k slicers and robotic arms moving meats and cheese.   ... Remember the the old cigarette machines   ... the product was loaded in individual trays with a spring at the rear to push the packs (product) to the front.   We do the same with the meats and cheese. Only at the front is a knife to do the slicing and act as a stop for the product.   This knife can be a circular disk like used in Nemco slicers  
or a guillotine.   The guillotine could be similar to a a mandolin which would move up and down against the product.
 
The product when cut, drops on to a delivery try which weights each meat or combinations of meats and cheese (Italian subs).  A small door opens and the customer picks up his selection and puts it on his choice of bread and adds condiments.
 
I don't see the slicing operation as being the problem, but building a complete sandwich as being the challenge.   ... But the opening post was asking for advice for building a 'slicer'.
 
I see this as a great way for portion control and the meats & cheese is never removed from refrigeration as in a deli for slicing. So shelf life and freshness is increased and pathogen growth better controlled with proper temperature and regular cleaning.
 
 
 
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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 12/5/13 8:13 PM
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CCinNJ


Did someone say donuts?

A revolutionary new donut dispensing machine would be fun more practical/useful & with less hurdles...


http://www.lilorbits.com


 
Coming to a Simpsons episode near you......

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Thu, 01/9/14 11:15 AM
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Can you mitigate the contamination issue with an alternate method of slicing?
How about LASER slicing?
 
 

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Re:High School Project - Concept Meat Slicer - Fri, 01/10/14 8:38 AM