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JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
2013/12/05 10:32:31
wanderingjew

On an aside, I live in a  small-medium sized city and although I  keep "normal" hours meaning I'm never out past 11pm or before 7am, I have never had to resort to going to chains...It is simply beyond my comprehension why this is "such a problem" for others.
 
I guess I missed the pledge to forgo all chain restaurants when I registered at Roadfood.com. Frankly, I think the very suggestion of this is ridiculous and I make no attempt to avoid chain restaurants. In the last 12 months I've patronized the following chains and am damn proud of it:
  • Smashburger
  • Domino's
  • Bojangles
  • P.F. Changs
  • Which Wich?
  • Five Guys
  • Noodles
  • Culver's
  • Papa John's
  • In-N-Out Burger
  • Jimmy John's
  • Dickey's Barbecue
  • Sonic Drive-in
  • Stir Crazy
  • Pei Wei
Of those, the only place I was less than completely satisfied was Five Guys. They never taste as good as they smell.
 
In that same period I have dined at many non-franchised restaurants (including Roadfood-reviewed places) and have been disappointed very often. I believe that most non-chain restaurants are rubbish. There's a reason that chains continue to thrive, they are generally better than Mom & Pop restaurants. In fact, the very existence of this website and the Roadfood books supports my belief. If good non-chain restaurants were easy to find, Roadfood.com would not need to exist.
 
It's a fact!
 
post edited by JRPfeff - 2013/12/05 13:10:01
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 10:36:11
Domino's?
 
seriously?
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 10:39:20
The several local pizzerias I've tried in Raleigh are all vomit worthy. I went to Domino's for their $7.99 weekday special and am happy with their pizzas. I've returned several times.
post edited by JRPfeff - 2013/12/05 10:43:29
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 10:52:03
wow
 
the Dominos here are quite bad, even at the 5 dollar price point
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 11:02:25
TJ - Before coming here, the last time I had Domino's was while living in Amelia 30 years ago. It was so bad I didn't try it again until this year.
lleechef
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 11:15:59
JRPeff
You missed the pledge?  Really?  Roadfood is like the Masonic Lodge, full of secret pledges.  Thou shalt not eat at chain restaurants.  Period.  But before I took the pledge I did eat at In-N-Out in CA and it was not bad.  After I took the pledge I was afraid of the NSA. 
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 11:49:37
Amelia as in Amelia Ohio, on Ohio Pike a bit east of I 275, like 5 miles from where I live?
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 11:54:37
Yes indeed. I was there when the Zimmer nuke plant was cancelled.
 
Maybe we were ordering from the same Domino's.
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 11:57:16
I like In-N-Out....



As far as the Roadfood opinion of Jane & Michael Stern...

http://www.roadfood.com/R...iew/1647/innout-burger

Also in the Roadfood book The Lexicon of Real American Food.
harriet1954
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 12:07:06
I've never been (though I did live in California in a past life), but my daughter Shayna has to have at least one fix of In-N-Out whenever she's out there visiting.
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 12:10:30
All that said, there are at least two (certainly may be many others) chains I know of that are listed as Roadfood, and ergo are Roadfood
 
In and Out (as mentioned above)
and
Original Pancake House
 
I would say that a typical roadfood establishment is not a chain, but there mere fact that a given eatery is a chain is not a basis for it to be excluded as Roadfood.
 
Said another way, if being a chain means you can't be a Roadfood eatery, then those two (et al) would not be listed as such
 
Keep in mind that WJ's views (no offense intended to WJ, we've had this discussion a few times already) are his own and while they have some correlation and substantial overlap to Roadfood, they dont exactly match the roadfood definition of things
 
On Dominos - I was tempted when working from home earlier this year by their half off deal available at lunch hours.  I was able to get a 1 topping medium pizza for under 4 bucks from the location on 8 Mile in Anderson.  For under 4 bucks, I was not expecting much.  The pizza fell well short of meeting my very low expectations.  I have not been tempted since.   
post edited by TJ Jackson - 2013/12/05 12:14:42
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 12:15:11
JRPfeff
 
In the last 12 months I've patronized the following chains and am damn proud of it:
Start watching for windowless black vans parked on your street, and you might want to hire someone to start your car in the mornings.
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 13:23:52
I think it's been over a year since I've eaten at any of the following. I'm not avoiding them, and would not hesitate to go back, I just never had the urge to go when going out to eat. This is especially disturbing for Taco Bell because I love a crunchy taco and bean burrito for a dirt cheap supper.
  • Applebee's
  • Olive Garden
  • Taco Bell
  • McDonald's
  • Fleming's
  • Wendy's
  • El Pollo Loco
  • Tim Horton's
  • Big Boy
  • Black Bear Diner
  • Chipotle
  • Cracker Barrel
  • Taco John's
  • Chili's
  • BD's Mongolian Grill
  • Ruth's Chris
  • TGI Fridays
  • Macaroni Grill
  • Qdoba
  • KFC
  • Original Pancake House
  • Panera
  • Steak 'n Shake
  • Mo's
  • Skyline Chili
Topping the list are two recent "lightbulb goes on" choices. After dining at a locally run alehouse with coworkers, it dawned on me that they were trying to be Applebee's clones and failing badly. And last week we decided to try the Italian dinners at our favorite local pizza place in Wisconsin. After leaving we felt ripped off. The food, service, ambiance, and value were are inferior to what we'd expect from Olive Garden.
 
Chains are chains because they work. It's time I actively seek some of them out again.
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 13:58:49
One of the main reasons I avoid chains, is that you can't trust their ingredients.  Just recently, there was a salmonella breakout at Olive Garden from their Mexican salad, Joe's Crab Shack, clams from vietnam, etc.
 
In order to control costs, a chain would serve you anything our illustrious FDA allows, which is just about anything they want.  Just think about it, somehow, it makes financial sense to serve lettuce grown in Mexico, at an Olive Garden in Jersey.....IN THE SUMMER!   I would rather take my chances with the local joint.
 
With that said, I couldn't give a flying fiddlers leap where anybody else eats! 
post edited by joerogo - 2013/12/05 14:00:09
pnwchef
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 13:59:14
Fast food has run it's course, it will change for the better soon. Fast food places like In-n-Out burger, Chipotle Mexican Grill and serving a better quality product. They are also showing the customer is willing to wait for a better product. CMG, is giving the customer fresh, good quality menu selections. In-N -Out burger, the Cult  burger chain from Cali are showing how a fast food joints can serve up fresh made frys, shakes and burgers to order" Dbl Dbl Animal style please with fry's and a Rootbeer float, thank you". Windy's has come out in the last few months with a pretzel bun bacon cheese burger, Chicken sandwich and now another one with a cheese sauce. This is just the beginning of a new era of quality made to order food ......watch and see, within the next year, you will see people on this site bragging about some of the quality foods served at their favorite fast food chain restaurants..........pnwc
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 14:22:14
Wow.  This is a thoughtful thread.
 
Once upon a time in Arlington, VA during Reagan's second term I was yet again buying some Brenner's Bakery goods.  I mentioned my need for a quick lunch to my familiar counter girl and she recommended a little hamburger stand a few doors down and urged me to try it.
 
I did.  It was a walk-up with no seating area.  The kids running it were playing DC-101 way too loud for my comfort, but my 'reward' for waiting through the cacophony was free peanuts-in-the-shell and I waited for my burger (with A-1, grilled onions & shrooms at no extra charge!), fries, and a Coke (their entire menu save for the toppings).
 
I was pi$$ed at myself for my immediate hunger resulting in my having to eat in my new Euro Coupe and was pi$$ed further that I stained one of my Charvet ties in the process.  But, it was wonderfully simple and simply delicious.
 
In Roadfood terms this was a true 'discovery'.  Had the site existed then I would have written a glowing review immediately to share wonderulness!
 
That pitifully tiny joint tucked away into a nearly invisible corner of a small strip center on the NE corner of S. Glebe and Columbia Pike no longer exists in that location. 
 
But it does now exist elsewhere -  and nearly everywhere. 
 
It was the original Five Guys
post edited by MetroplexJim - 2013/12/05 14:48:53
Heartbreaksoup
Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 14:24:54
One question I've always had is when is a restaurant believed to have crossed that boundary?  Is two locations acceptably small?  Five?  Does it cross the crap threshold when it reaches nine locations?
 
I understand and agree with a desire to cut out national chains, sure.  At some point - and maybe it has less to do with "number of stores" and more to do with "number of states your food must travel across," your food dollar is being spent on TV ads in cities you'll never visit, on payroll divisions for middle management in cities I'll never see.  Wendy's is in (something like) phase two of a six-phase plan to refresh its brand across three to four years, and while I applaud the idea of small construction firms in 49 states getting jobs to refit bathrooms at 1700 stores, I don't want to have to worry about that when all I want is a good hamburger.
 
At the same time, every single time anybody asks where they should eat in Atlanta on this forum, somebody suggests The Varsity, which is, Roadfood cred be darned, a huge brand with at least seven locations in three metro areas.
 
My policy is a simple one: when I'm at home, I don't want to eat at a place that I can visit anywhere else, and when I'm anywhere else, I don't want to eat at a place that I can visit at home.
 
Except Del Taco.  Don't you judge me.  I'll eat there at home.
 
And Sonic, for drinks and milkshakes.  I don't know what the food there tastes like anymore, but darned if I can rely on finding a cherry slush anywhere else.
ChrisOC
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 14:45:28
When I am visiting family in Arizona I enjoy eating Pad Thai at Pei Wei and a Jumbo Jack at Jack it the Box
I do not have either of them near me.
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 15:04:35
I like the mini churros @ JITB...

plb
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 15:13:23
joerogo

One of the main reasons I avoid chains, is that you can't trust their ingredients.  Just recently, there was a salmonella breakout at Olive Garden from their Mexican salad, Joe's Crab Shack, clams from vietnam, etc.

In order to control costs, a chain would serve you anything our illustrious FDA allows, which is just about anything they want.  Just think about it, somehow, it makes financial sense to serve lettuce grown in Mexico, at an Olive Garden in Jersey.....IN THE SUMMER!   I would rather take my chances with the local joint.

With that said, I couldn't give a flying fiddlers leap where anybody else eats! 

 
And you trust non-chains' ingredients?  Who has more food scientists and quality control people, chains or Joe Blow's Grill?  Who is more likely to scrimp on costs, corporate chains were 35-40% of the cost is bourn by other taxpayers and the remaining by the stockholders, or Joe Blow were every penny comes from his pocket?    

post edited by plb - 2013/12/05 15:16:12
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 15:27:12
Steak & Shake is also Roadfood, at least according to this site. It's been featured on the home page more than once.
bartl
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 16:08:55
felix4067 Steak & Shake is also Roadfood, at least according to this site. It's been featured on the home page more than once.

OK, first of all, let me say that I am by no means against fast food, although I don't eat at them as much as I used to, for health reasons (I was the one who actually ordered the celery sticks from McDonald's). For example, I find 5 Guys burgers to be a bit on the greasy side, but like the toppings and the french fries.
 
So, given that, let me say that, from my one trip to a Steak & Shake, with another person, that it was, without question, the greasiest burger I have ever had in my entire life. I found it to be practically inedible. And this is from someone who, while greatly prefering a fresh burger off a charcoal grill, will eat dollar menu burgers from McDonald's, Burger King, and Wendy's.
 
Bart
rumaki
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 16:12:34
I am a long-time Steak 'n' Shake fan.  The various locations can be uneven, but I like their Steakburgers!  A Smashburger outlet has opened near my house and I am planning to try it at some point to see whether it is comparable/better.
 
Most of these other places, I don't go to.  I've simply never eaten fast food very often.  Even when I was in high school in Indianapolis, when everybody else was going to get burgers and shakes from Burger Chef, I didn't.  The one milkshake I had from there disagreed with me, and I just don't particularly like hamburgers of any stripe (apart from Steakburgers). I don't judge others who do like them.
 
I had Popeye's fried chicken and biscuits once in the Atlanta airport when Paschal's had a power failure (or something), and it wasn't bad.    And I confess (oh, horror!) to eating at a Cracker Barrel a couple of times when I was out of town and had no transportation and the place was walking distance from my motel.  I find their fried chicken livers and biscuits to be edible.
 
 
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 16:55:17
plb

joerogo

One of the main reasons I avoid chains, is that you can't trust their ingredients.  Just recently, there was a salmonella breakout at Olive Garden from their Mexican salad, Joe's Crab Shack, clams from vietnam, etc.

In order to control costs, a chain would serve you anything our illustrious FDA allows, which is just about anything they want.  Just think about it, somehow, it makes financial sense to serve lettuce grown in Mexico, at an Olive Garden in Jersey.....IN THE SUMMER!   I would rather take my chances with the local joint.

With that said, I couldn't give a flying fiddlers leap where anybody else eats! 


And you trust non-chains' ingredients?  Who has more food scientists and quality control people, chains or Joe Blow's Grill?  Who is more likely to scrimp on costs, corporate chains were 35-40% of the cost is bourn by other taxpayers and the remaining by the stockholders, or Joe Blow were every penny comes from his pocket?    

 
Wow, You really have a sour opinion of small business owners.  Scrimping was invented by corporate chains!  
 
I'll take Joe Blow thank you.  Had an excellent burger for lunch today at this place https://www.facebook.com/279BandG Quality people putting out a top notch product.  Had lunch here yesterday https://www.facebook.com/pages/Napolis-Pizza/84964029862 Quality people who care for their customers.
 
Go over a chain restaurant menu with the restaurant manager sometime and ask where the food is coming from.  Maybe you appreciate a food scientist preparing, freezing, thawing, heating and serving your meal.......me, I'll stick with fresh, local, quality food, prepared by a small business person who KNOWS he must be the BEST he can be to compete with the chain restaurants!
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 17:20:48
pnwchef

... This is just the beginning of a new era of quality made to order food ......watch and see, within the next year, you will see people on this site bragging about some of the quality foods served at their favorite fast food chain restaurants..........pnwc

That has happened already at a barbecue forum I participate in.
 
Arby's Brisket Sandwich resulted in I am nearly in shock... A member claimed it was the best brisket sandwich he has ever eaten.
post edited by JRPfeff - 2013/12/05 17:23:38
carolina bob
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 17:48:29
Just out of curiosity I tried that Arby's brisket sandwich a few weeks ago. Paper-thin slices of nearly flavorless meat ( and not much of it ) covered with a rather mediocre excuse for barbecue sauce. I won't be wasting my money on that thing again.
CajunKing
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 17:49:44
plb

joerogo

One of the main reasons I avoid chains, is that you can't trust their ingredients.  Just recently, there was a salmonella breakout at Olive Garden from their Mexican salad, Joe's Crab Shack, clams from vietnam, etc.

In order to control costs, a chain would serve you anything our illustrious FDA allows, which is just about anything they want.  Just think about it, somehow, it makes financial sense to serve lettuce grown in Mexico, at an Olive Garden in Jersey.....IN THE SUMMER!   I would rather take my chances with the local joint.

With that said, I couldn't give a flying fiddlers leap where anybody else eats! 


And you trust non-chains' ingredients?  Who has more food scientists and quality control people, chains or Joe Blow's Grill?  Who is more likely to scrimp on costs, corporate chains were 35-40% of the cost is bourn by other taxpayers and the remaining by the stockholders, or Joe Blow were every penny comes from his pocket?    

 
I would choose joe blow over the HS aged "cooks" that throw together your meal in the back of the lab errr I mean kitchen at the local McDs or Arbys.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 17:52:13
I really think that a person's likes or dislikes are highly 'personal' and for someone else to disparage the original person because their viewpoints differ is un acceptable social behavior...
 
Often I make a food stop because I am going somewhere, and find myself looking for a burger and a coke from a 'drive-thru' to keep me going on the journey. Not every trip has a food-destination built in...That is my choice.  If someone thinks less of me because I choose a quick service FF over a sit-down for an hour or so for a meal...too bad. I do what is best for my situation, and frankly I don't care if you prefer to plan your day around the three meals (or more)... To each his/her own, and quit bad-mouthing the folks who may have a different opinion than yours.
CajunKing
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 17:52:48
carolina bob

Just out of curiosity I tried that Arby's brisket sandwich a few weeks ago. Paper-thin slices of nearly flavorless meat ( and not much of it ) covered with a rather mediocre excuse for barbecue sauce. I won't be wasting my money on that thing again.

Bob
 
I agree with you, the sandwich was a very poor excuse for a BBQ Brisket sandwich, which they can over price and fleece their customers out of MORE of their hard earned money.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 17:54:31
I confess. I got a Sausage McMuffin at a McDonald's drive-thru this morning on my way to attempt to slay Bambi's mommy.
EdSails
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 17:59:50
My name is Ed......
and I am addicted to Jack in the Box Tacos.
ChiTownDiner
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 18:20:35
It's a fact....I like Roadfood places, fast food places, fine dining places and almost anything that's left! I find it strange for anyone to criticize my likes and dislikes!
BuddyRoadhouse
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 18:22:32
joerogoJust recently, there was a salmonella breakout at Olive Garden from their Mexican salad...
Mexican salad...at Olive Garden?!?  Will the madness never end?
 
Buddy
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 18:33:10
Michael Hoffman
I confess. I got a Sausage McMuffin at a McDonald's drive-thru this morning on my way to attempt to slay Bambi's mommy.

 
Did ya get her? 
cavandre
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 18:37:17
I'm not giving up my Bang-Bang Shrimp at Bonefish grill, that is served by well-trained servers.
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 18:39:52
At first I thought this thread was satire, I would still like to believe that it is... 
 
I've already accepted that the majority  of people on here just like "food"  , in fact most don't care for roadfood or any other local independent restaurants and probably haven't even gone to one  and that's ok, I know I'm probably one of the select few here that enjoys going to local independent restaurants no matter where I am...That's another one of the main reasons why I've stopped doing trip reports...

I despise chains, I hate chains.....2 or  3 or a half dozen restaurants in a confined metro area does not a chain make....
 
I guess I've been blessed, I can go down the six tenths of a mile of Main Street East Greenwich and find at least 10  independent local restaurants that have never left me disappointed... Don't even get me started on the rest of Rhode Island...  
I guess I'm even luckier when I travel.  Besides restaurants on Roadfood (the website or the book) I've found excellent restaurants on my own, and I'm willing to bet my 401k that had the Sterns known about these restaurants, they would get the  Stern's stamp of approval. 9 out of 10 times I've never been disappointed. 

I know others on the forum are just as critical (if not more so)as I am, in fact all of you would be completely shocked and surprised if I started mentioning names.
 
If local restaurants were rubbish, they would be out of business in a heartbeat. These local restaurauteurs take pride in their product and they want to keep their customers happy.  If not, they would be out of business. Chains are consistently medocre, the serve "food in bags" have apathetic employees who do lord knows only what to the food they prepare or serve....I'd rather eat at home and prepare my own meal than go to a chain....in fact it's healthier..
 
Everyone else can go to their chains.. Meanwhile, I'll enjoy the "local independent mom n pop rubbish"
 
 
post edited by wanderingjew - 2013/12/05 18:41:25
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 18:41:44
joerogo

Michael Hoffman
I confess. I got a Sausage McMuffin at a McDonald's drive-thru this morning on my way to attempt to slay Bambi's mommy.


Did ya get her? 

Nope. I might have but the rain washed the Ark too close and I had to leave.
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 19:20:47
mayor al
I really think that a person's likes or dislikes are highly 'personal' and for someone else to disparage the original person because their viewpoints differ is unacceptable social behavior...

Mr. Mayor,
 
That was the point of my starting this thread. I saw some comments in another thread about a member choosing to enjoy food at a chain restaurant that I considered to be disrespectful. I don't think anyone's food choices are something that they should be expected to apologize for and I was willing to admit my culinary opinions and choices that might be unpopular at this forum.
 
For many people my age, that McDonald's cheeseburger or KFC drumstick has the same emotional-taste reaction that my father's generation had to their mother's meatloaf or picked beets. It may not be the best in the world, but it brings back a happy familiarity.
 
Jim
pnwchef
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 19:25:23
JRPfeff

pnwchef

... This is just the beginning of a new era of quality made to order food ......watch and see, within the next year, you will see people on this site bragging about some of the quality foods served at their favorite fast food chain restaurants..........pnwc

That has happened already at a barbecue forum I participate in.

Arby's Brisket Sandwich resulted in I am nearly in shock... A member claimed it was the best brisket sandwich he has ever eaten.

 
Jeff, if there was one chain restaurant I thought would go out of business, it would have been Arby's. I have never seen a company come out with so many loosing ideas. I always thought Roast beef would be an easy food item to serve on a bun. When I had Arby's Roast beef, I wasn't even sure it was meat, never mind Roast beef. I think the FF Restaurants are getting better methods of reheating and holding their food. If they are making a good quality BBQ Beef sandwich, the secret would be to fail safe it, so the product could be heated, and served to the customer at a top quality and good presentation. This one product could revive Arby's and send them down a new FF chain road that's named Arby's BBQ.......Thx for the link Jeff...........Bill
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 19:41:40
JRPfeff

mayor al
I really think that a person's likes or dislikes are highly 'personal' and for someone else to disparage the original person because their viewpoints differ is unacceptable social behavior...

Mr. Mayor,

That was the point of my starting this thread. I saw some comments in another thread about a member choosing to enjoy food at a chain restaurant that I considered to be disrespectful.

 
I completely and totally disagree.. 
Like I previously said, although most people on here just like "food" whether it's chain food, burritos at the 7/11 or swanson's TV dinners, it doesn't matter, and couldn't care less about Roadfood , this is still a forum about Roadfood  so be prepared to take the heat if you're going to bring up chains outside of the fast food /chains forum (which if it were up to me wouldn't exist)  It's no different than going on to a website about guns and gun enthusiasts and start talking about water pistols....
 
I can't count the number of times that someone has criticized my choices or trip reports on the forum and no on batted an eye....
 
plb
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 19:42:20
CajunKing

plb

joerogo

One of the main reasons I avoid chains, is that you can't trust their ingredients.  Just recently, there was a salmonella breakout at Olive Garden from their Mexican salad, Joe's Crab Shack, clams from vietnam, etc.

In order to control costs, a chain would serve you anything our illustrious FDA allows, which is just about anything they want.  Just think about it, somehow, it makes financial sense to serve lettuce grown in Mexico, at an Olive Garden in Jersey.....IN THE SUMMER!   I would rather take my chances with the local joint.

With that said, I couldn't give a flying fiddlers leap where anybody else eats! 


And you trust non-chains' ingredients?  Who has more food scientists and quality control people, chains or Joe Blow's Grill?  Who is more likely to scrimp on costs, corporate chains were 35-40% of the cost is bourn by other taxpayers and the remaining by the stockholders, or Joe Blow were every penny comes from his pocket?    


I would choose joe blow over the HS aged "cooks" that throw together your meal in the back of the lab errr I mean kitchen at the local McDs or Arbys.

So you really think that the "HS aged "cooks" that throw together your meal in the back of the lab errr I mean kitchen at the local McDs or Arbys" are the ones making the decisions about what ingredients to use, how to use them, and their sources? 
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 19:44:41
Funny you should mention burritos at a 7/11. Last week I got a burrito from a United Dairy Farmers store/gas station and it wasn't bad at all. I'd never tried one of those things before. I'll probably get one again.
pnwchef
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 19:55:48
EdSails

My name is Ed......
and I am addicted to Jack in the Box Tacos.


Ed, I respect that you had the nerve to come out of the closet ( No he's not gay) lets get drunk and talk about your addiction............
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 20:09:02
plb

CajunKing

plb

joerogo

One of the main reasons I avoid chains, is that you can't trust their ingredients.  Just recently, there was a salmonella breakout at Olive Garden from their Mexican salad, Joe's Crab Shack, clams from vietnam, etc.

In order to control costs, a chain would serve you anything our illustrious FDA allows, which is just about anything they want.  Just think about it, somehow, it makes financial sense to serve lettuce grown in Mexico, at an Olive Garden in Jersey.....IN THE SUMMER!   I would rather take my chances with the local joint.

With that said, I couldn't give a flying fiddlers leap where anybody else eats! 


And you trust non-chains' ingredients?  Who has more food scientists and quality control people, chains or Joe Blow's Grill?  Who is more likely to scrimp on costs, corporate chains were 35-40% of the cost is bourn by other taxpayers and the remaining by the stockholders, or Joe Blow were every penny comes from his pocket?    


I would choose joe blow over the HS aged "cooks" that throw together your meal in the back of the lab errr I mean kitchen at the local McDs or Arbys.

So you really think that the "HS aged "cooks" that throw together your meal in the back of the lab errr I mean kitchen at the local McDs or Arbys" are the ones making the decisions about what ingredients to use, how to use them, and their sources? 

 
Come on PLB, you really can't be serious?
 
It's the "food scientists", as you call them, that scare the heck out of me.  Really, please, take the time to question your favorite chain restaurant on the country of origin of their products.  These people go in their test kitchens and design a product, then, in order for it to taste the same at all locations, the processing begins.  Because cost is THE major factor, again, somehow it makes sense to get lettuce from Mexico, garlic from China, seafood from wherever, etc.  Blend together, add the necessary stabilizers, and preservatives, freeze and ship.  The HS Chefs need only thaw, heat and serve.  
 
Also, chains add little to the local economy.  They are takers not givers. They can build a million dollar building without buying a box of pop rivets locally.  The local restaurant owner is always pumping his/her money back into the local economy.
 
But, that's just me.  I understand there are other opinions.(kinder gentler joerogo) 
EdSails
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 20:10:52
pnwchef

EdSails

My name is Ed......
and I am addicted to Jack in the Box Tacos.


Ed, I respect that you had the nerve to come out of the closet ( No he's not gay) lets get drunk and talk about your addiction............

From Junior High school on, that was always some of the best times to have some Jack tacos. " />
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 20:20:38
There are some folks here that simply reject, despite the evidence otherwise (including but not limited to declarations by the Sterns), that chain food can be roadfood
 
All you can do in such cases is shake your head sadly and move on, or laugh. Your choice
 
There's really no middle ground for discussion of roadfood when one of the tenets of what roadfood is (or rather, what it can be) is summarily rejected by one of the parties to the discussion
 
Me?  I find that really good food is rare, whether the eatery is a chain or a mom-n-pop, and so I treasure it when I find it regardless of whether the eatery is a chain or not
 
That said, I wish I had Dale's luck - I dont even have 5 (much less 10) mom-n-pop with high quality eats near me; and I dont think I could name a neighborhood in Cincinnati that could legitimately make such a claim 
post edited by TJ Jackson - 2013/12/05 21:17:49
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 20:37:03
TJ Jackson


That said, I wish I had Dale's luck - I dont have 10 nearby mom-n-pop with high quality eats near me. 

 
TJ,
 
Not only are they near me, they're walking distance from me .
 
 
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 20:39:28
Well, shoot. I typed a huge post with two separate quotes, and POOF! I'm taking too many pain meds to type it all out again.
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 20:56:18
ED-  I share your addiction to J-I-B Tay-Koes !! Had the habit for 50 years (or more). It is difficult now , as the closest JIB is in Nashville, and we don't get there very often.
 
There is nothing like a 500 mile ride on I-40 from Barstow, CA to Gallup,NM with a full tank of gas, a sack of JIB Tacos, and a Sonic Hiway 44 Cherry-Limeade slush !  Now, that's a pleasure ride
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:00:07
Good ol Barstow....

TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
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Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:05:47
wanderingjew
Not only are they near me, they're walking distance from me .

I wish it were so here
 
I really liked your trip reports, tho I indeed chided you for skipping (for example) great pizza in Phoenix and Atlanta.  I knew there was no chance in hell of you going to those places, but I have to keep ribbing you for skipping great eats
 
At least you have tried places like In-N-Out and judged what you had on its actual merits or lack thereof, rather than pulling out the broad brush and making ridiculously narrow minded and over the top statements like "The HS Chefs need only thaw, heat and serve".  Got to give you that.
post edited by TJ Jackson - 2013/12/05 21:15:06
TJ Jackson
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:07:51
mayor al
as the closest JIB is in Nashville

Cincinnati is a full hours drive closer to you
 
http://www.urbanspoon.com...-in-the-Box-Cincinnati  
 
post edited by TJ Jackson - 2013/12/05 21:19:26
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:31:59
wanderingjew

TJ Jackson


That said, I wish I had Dale's luck - I dont have 10 nearby mom-n-pop with high quality eats near me. 


TJ,

Not only are they near me, they're walking distance from me .



Dale,
 
Just to complicate things ... per the Stern's definition circa 1986, those 10 city places you mention are not Roadfood, they are Goodfood. The distinction was relevant to me on my cross-country drive this year. There are very few restaurants left in the Roadfood books that are near the highway - the original definition. Most are in cities and towns. The definition in my book from that time (Roadfood and Goodfood) did not overtly limit Roadfood based on the restaurant ownership.  Goodfood, however, was limited to"local," which I concede would eliminate chains.
 
Jim
joerogo
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:36:16
TJ Jackson

wanderingjew
Not only are they near me, they're walking distance from me .

I wish it were so here

I really liked your trip reports, tho I indeed chided you for skipping (for example) great pizza in Phoenix and Atlanta.  I knew there was no chance in hell of you going to those places, but I have to keep ribbing you for skipping great eats

At least you have tried places like In-N-Out and judged what you had on its actual merits or lack thereof, rather than pulling out the broad brush and making ridiculously narrow minded and over the top statements like "The HS Chefs need only thaw, heat and serve".  Got to give you that.

 
Are you that obsessed with me?  Why do you feel the need to follow me around this site?  Not something an adult would do. 
 
I'm not going to bother telling you, again, what I think of you, but I am going to ask the Mod's to get you off my back.(The kinder and gentler joerogo) 
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:38:21
wanderingjew

TJ Jackson


That said, I wish I had Dale's luck - I dont have 10 nearby mom-n-pop with high quality eats near me. 


TJ,

Not only are they near me, they're walking distance from me .



Heck, Seattle is within walking distance for you.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:42:43
I like everything about 5 Guys except the Prices. Ridiculous!
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:54:19
Jim
 
The Roadfood and Goodfood   book  was my original roadfood book, which I actually discovered in 1990... It's all local and regional....I'm specifically referring to both at home. When I travel, I prefer local but regional fare
MH
 
Main Street E.G. begins  just under half a mile from my condo and is just over half a mile long- so at it's furthest it's only about a mile away, so yes it is walking distance.
 
In fact I think this is where we are going to go to lunch on Saturday, its our newest favorite lunch spot in town.
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:54:20
What's funny is how many folks assume those cooking at fast food places are high school kids. While there are some high school kids, most people working at fast food restaurants are grownups, often with a college education, who are doing so to support their families. I'm sure it depends on the job market in your area, but around here you're more likely to be asked if you want fries with that by a college graduate in their 30's with a spouse and children than a kid. I know the McDonald's where my niece's husband cooks (he's 30, wife and three kids) doesn't allow high school kids to work the grill.
felix4067
Filet Mignon
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 21:58:06
JRPfeff

Dale,

Just to complicate things ... per the Stern's definition circa 1986, those 10 city places you mention are not Roadfood, they are Goodfood. The distinction was relevant to me on my cross-country drive this year. There are very few restaurants left in the Roadfood books that are near the highway - the original definition. Most are in cities and towns. The definition in my book from that time (Roadfood and Goodfood) did not overtly limit Roadfood based on the restaurant ownership.  Goodfood, however, was limited to"local," which I concede would eliminate chains.

Jim

So to see if I'm understanding (bear with me, I'm a little off today), Roadfood was originally defined as food found near the highway? In which case, most FF places would qualify, whereas most Mom & Pop places would not, at least currently. Interesting!
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Roadfood Loyalty Oath? 2013/12/05 22:02:15
felix4067

JRPfeff

Dale,

Just to complicate things ... per the Stern's definition circa 1986, those 10 city places you mention are not Roadfood, they are Goodfood. The distinction was relevant to me on my cross-country drive this year. There are very few restaurants left in the Roadfood books that are near the highway - the original definition. Most are in cities and towns. The definition in my book from that time (Roadfood and Goodfood) did not overtly limit Roadfood based on the restaurant ownership.  Goodfood, however, was limited to"local," which I concede would eliminate chains.

Jim

So to see if I'm understanding (bear with me, I'm a little off today), Roadfood was originally defined as food found near the highway? In which case, most FF places would qualify, whereas most Mom & Pop places would not, at least currently. Interesting!

 
Completely incorrect....that was not the original definition of Roadfood.
 
 
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