Hot!Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S.

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MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
2013/12/24 00:47:13
I was blindsided by this one, as I thought KC would surely be in there.
 
Top 5 Barbecue Cities in U.S.:
 
http://www.tfponline.com/news/2013/dec/24/big-five/
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 02:13:09
Obviously, the author  of that article has never been to Austin, Texas.
cavandre
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 07:35:40
The article was just about quantity, not quality.
buffetbuster
Porterhouse
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 07:44:44
I'm sure it is too small to make this list, but doesn't Lexington, NC have more barbecue parlors per people than any other city/town?
wanderingjew
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 08:28:03
buffetbuster

I'm sure it is too small to make this list, but doesn't Lexington, NC have more barbecue parlors per people than any other city/town?


Does Lexington even have 10,000 residents?
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 08:35:05
Looks like the Business Editor of a Chattanooga newspaper ran out of things to write about.  He needs to take a cold shower in Ruby Falls. 
 
There are more restaurant seats in the Metroplex than any other city in the world.  Big deal; so what? 
 
Tell me about the food.  I've had worse. 
Tell me about the ambiance.  Well, most of those seats are filled by loud-talking men, screaming children, and cackling women.
 
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Here's my five BBQ Cities, food-wise:
 
1)  Goldsboro, NC
2)  Greater Austin, TX
3)  Kansas City, MO
4)  Memphis, TN
5)  Lexington, NC
tcrouzer
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 11:20:53
Oh, good grief! Lexington, NC even has an annual BBQ Festival for goodness sake. I'd like to tell that editor to get off his duff and travel around a bit.
Big_g
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 12:41:20
Boy o boy did he miss it!
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 13:26:40
Atlanta, 3.7 restaurants per 10,000 residents x 443,775 = 164 barbecue restaurants in Atlanta.
 
YP.com lists well over 164 restaurants under barbecue in Atlanta. But that includes a large number of "Wings" and Soul Food restaurants, as well as Outback Steakhouse & Chili's, etc. It also includes suburbs, the metro area and the rest of Georgia.
 
I think this guy's math is way off.
post edited by JRPfeff - 2013/12/24 13:35:27
mayor al
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 14:06:53
I think he works for one or all of the Florida restaurant associations...His bias is certainly geographically evident.
 
Kansas City and Austin (Metro areas in both cases) gain far more recognition for both quantity AND quality than does Tampa or Orlando, Orlando is the center of the universe for chain restaurants.
QFan
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 15:29:00
As soon as I read the title of the post (before I even clicked on the link), I ticked off mentally my top 5. They were identical to Metroplex Jim's!
The author is another one who apparently thinks bar-b-que is something you do on your deck w/ hamburgers, bratwurst, etc.
QFan
Bonita Springs, FL
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/24 16:42:54
QFan

As soon as I read the title of the post (before I even clicked on the link), I ticked off mentally my top 5. They were identical to Metroplex Jim's!
The author is another one who apparently thinks bar-b-que is something you do on your deck w/ hamburgers, bratwurst, etc.
QFan
Bonita Springs, FL


And after I read JRPfeff's analysis of "BBQ" restaurants in Atlanta I thought to comment about the apparent confusion of smoking and "grilling", but QFan beat me to it! 
 
Evidently, it is true that:  "Great minds ... "
myterry2
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 09:18:00
Anything with a vinegar base sauce is out of my list...just not real BBQ sauce.
Big_g
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 09:59:17
Sauce ain't the boss...its all about the meat and the TLC to get it smoked.
kevincad
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 12:01:05
JRPfeff

Atlanta, 3.7 restaurants per 10,000 residents x 443,775 = 164 barbecue restaurants in Atlanta.

YP.com lists well over 164 restaurants under barbecue in Atlanta. But that includes a large number of "Wings" and Soul Food restaurants, as well as Outback Steakhouse & Chili's, etc. It also includes suburbs, the metro area and the rest of Georgia.

I think this guy's math is way off.

His math may be way off, but Atlanta and Georgia in general really don't get the bbq recognition they deserve. Georgia has it's very own style, and is a bbq paradise! I'm not saying this just as a citizen, but as a judge. As far as Atlanta proper, if you hit the little small shacks, etc. you'll have some of the best Q to hit your mouth!!! Crazy Ron's on East Ponce de Leon in Stone Mountain is a good example!
MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 12:08:31
TFP Business Editor Dave Flessner did not compile the data and clearly attributes Infogroup Targeting Solutions, December 2013 as the source.  I'm sure the results were surprising to him, as well.  Newspapers routinely publish such lists and cite their sources.
post edited by MellowRoast - 2013/12/25 12:13:21
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 16:01:31
What does sauce have to do with anything?
It is all about the wood. :)
perhaps Buddy can weigh in on the American Royal-
 World Series of Barbecue┬« Public Info
post edited by 1bbqboy - 2013/12/25 16:06:45
MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 16:18:08
I don't know, 1bbqboy, but since they brought it up, vinegar BBQ sauce rocks!
1bbqboy
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 16:36:17
Oh, I loves me some sauce too! I'm of the opinion there's no bad BBQ, only some better.
 
post edited by 1bbqboy - 2013/12/25 16:40:35
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 17:20:28
myterry2

Anything with a vinegar base sauce is out of my list...just not real BBQ sauce.

It's a sauce for barbeque. And it's my favorite style.
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 19:54:19
Although I'm a Texan who normally eschews the use of sauce with well smoked BBQ, I do enjoy a small amount of sauce to accompany my BBQ as a "condiment". I enjoy both sweet ketchup based sauces and a good vinegar based sauce when available. Vinegar based sauces are somewhat uncommon in Texas but The Slow Bone BBQ in Dallas offers both. A really good vinegar based sauce that I enjoy for dipping their superlative corn bread and hushpuppies in and a very good cumin infused ketchup based sauce. But, I won't eat any BBQ that comes smothered in sauce. Of any kind!
post edited by Twinwillow - 2013/12/25 20:04:46
Wintahaba
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/25 21:42:08
I will always taste the Q first, if it's well smoked and rubbbed...that is heaven...NOTHING else is needed....Shangra-La!
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 08:20:52
MellowRoast

I don't know, 1bbqboy, but since they brought it up, vinegar BBQ sauce rocks!


Simple rule for sauce: 
 
"No ketchup on pork; no vinegar on beef". 
 
(Credit to Rodney Scott of Scott's BBQ, Hemingway, SC).
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 08:34:24
Twinwillow

Although I'm a Texan who normally eschews the use of sauce with well smoked BBQ, I do enjoy a small amount of sauce to accompany my BBQ as a "condiment". I enjoy both sweet ketchup based sauces and a good vinegar based sauce when available. Vinegar based sauces are somewhat uncommon in Texas but The Slow Bone BBQ in Dallas offers both. A really good vinegar based sauce that I enjoy for dipping their superlative corn bread and hushpuppies in and a very good cumin infused ketchup based sauce. But, I won't eat any BBQ that comes smothered in sauce. Of any kind!
 

Same with me, I use sauce as a condiment. 
 
And, I had some business in The Canyon recently and made a point to try The Slow Bone for lunch.  As it was around 2 when I got there they were out of ribs, but the pork tenderloin was wonderful. 
 
And, indeed, Eastern Carolina-style sauce is a wonderful dip for hushpuppies & cornbread!
WarToad
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 09:32:50
Twinwillow, MetroplexJim - Same here.  Born and raised in the Midwest, I pretty much grew up on something akin to KC style BBQ. (Which 9 times out of 10 was just really grilled with KC sauce)  It wasn't until my first trip to Texas where I had a come-to-Jesus moment discovering real BBQ.  Ever since then, I'm sauce on the side when and where I can.
MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 10:00:10
Even though I generally eat barbecue without sauce, vinegar sauce on beef is terrific!
post edited by MellowRoast - 2013/12/26 10:44:43
Heartbreaksoup
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 14:45:08
JRPfeff

Atlanta, 3.7 restaurants per 10,000 residents x 443,775 = 164 barbecue restaurants in Atlanta.

YP.com lists well over 164 restaurants under barbecue in Atlanta. But that includes a large number of "Wings" and Soul Food restaurants, as well as Outback Steakhouse & Chili's, etc. It also includes suburbs, the metro area and the rest of Georgia.

I think this guy's math is way off.

 
A better source would be Urbanspoon, which lists 268.  That is after I spent several weeks weeding out the soul food and wing joints from their listings.  This includes metro Atlanta and its suburbs, but none of Georgia's other metro areas or the rural areas between them, so the often-quoted "Best in Atlanta" places like Hickory Pig (Gainesville) or Fresh Air (Jackson) are not in that number.  It does, however, include a few Korean BBQ places like Han Il Kwan. 
 
http://www.urbanspoon.com/f/9/806/Atlanta/Barbecue-Restaurants?last_filter=cuisine
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 15:08:35
MetroplexJim

Twinwillow

Although I'm a Texan who normally eschews the use of sauce with well smoked BBQ, I do enjoy a small amount of sauce to accompany my BBQ as a "condiment". I enjoy both sweet ketchup based sauces and a good vinegar based sauce when available. Vinegar based sauces are somewhat uncommon in Texas but The Slow Bone BBQ in Dallas offers both. A really good vinegar based sauce that I enjoy for dipping their superlative corn bread and hushpuppies in and a very good cumin infused ketchup based sauce. But, I won't eat any BBQ that comes smothered in sauce. Of any kind!
 

Same with me, I use sauce as a condiment. 

And, I had some business in The Canyon recently and made a point to try The Slow Bone for lunch.  As it was around 2 when I got there they were out of ribs, but the pork tenderloin was wonderful. 

And, indeed, Eastern Carolina-style sauce is a wonderful dip for hushpuppies & cornbread!

 
Glad you enjoyed it, Jim. Get there earlier next time if you can so you can also enjoy their ribs. Their brisket is my absolute favorite in Dallas! I always ask for the "moist" part.
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 15:10:18
Big_g

Sauce ain't the boss...its all about the meat and the TLC to get it smoked.

 

Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 17:17:09
Wintahaba

I will always taste the Q first, if it's well smoked and rubbbed...that is heaven...NOTHING else is needed....Shangra-La!


KurtSara
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 20:28:02
Our motto in our vending trailer is

"We have nothing to hide so the sauce is on the side"

And I don't understand the vinegar based sauces, we were in rochester mn over labor day weekend and ate at two BBQ places that have good reviews, both were terrible but the second one was so bad I dunked my fork full of what they called brisket into the sauce expecting a sweet BBQ sauce but was suppressed with the strong vinegar taste, I spit it out right away, the second place had good root beer though.
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 20:39:02
Okay, Atlanta is THE top barbecue city in the United States of America.
 
It a fact!
 
Can someone define what Atlanta-style barbecue entails?
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 23:28:06
MetroplexJim

Twinwillow

Although I'm a Texan who normally eschews the use of sauce with well smoked BBQ, I do enjoy a small amount of sauce to accompany my BBQ as a "condiment". I enjoy both sweet ketchup based sauces and a good vinegar based sauce when available. Vinegar based sauces are somewhat uncommon in Texas but The Slow Bone BBQ in Dallas offers both. A really good vinegar based sauce that I enjoy for dipping their superlative corn bread and hushpuppies in and a very good cumin infused ketchup based sauce. But, I won't eat any BBQ that comes smothered in sauce. Of any kind!
 

Same with me, I use sauce as a condiment. 

And, I had some business in The Canyon recently and made a point to try The Slow Bone for lunch.  As it was around 2 when I got there they were out of ribs, but the pork tenderloin was wonderful. 

And, indeed, Eastern Carolina-style sauce is a wonderful dip for hushpuppies & cornbread!

Jim, glad you finally got to Slow Bone and acknowledged my tip regarding their vinegar based sauce for the hushpuppies. I think their beautifully smoked brisket is the best in Dallas. Especially the more "moist" cuts. Far superior to Pecan Lodge's over rated and over smoked brisket. Next time get there earlier and enjoy Slow Bones terrific pork ribs.
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/26 23:30:00
Big_g

Sauce ain't the boss...its all about the meat and the TLC to get it smoked.

 

Big_g
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 00:31:20
As a KCBS judge, it always kills me when the turn in box is presented to us and it looks like all of the meat has been shellacked to a fine color and you have to go through a roll of paper towels after each bite.   Yes it looks pretty, but a lot can be hidden by sauce...and the flavor profiles the cooks are trying to achieve usually suffer.
I'll take one of Louie M's naked beef ribs, or Kruetz's brisket any day or Smitty's Ribs...with white bread, a jalapeno sausage link and some dipping sauce on the side.
rexfullerupperville
Junior Burger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 01:35:14
MetroplexJim


Here's my five BBQ Cities, food-wise:

1)  Goldsboro, NC
2)  Greater Austin, TX
3)  Kansas City, MO
4)  Memphis, TN
5)  Lexington, NC

 
This is a good list! Definitely tasted the best barbeque in Texas!
ScreamingChicken
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 08:11:22
JRPfeff

Can someone define what Atlanta-style barbecue entails?
Well, according to Cook's Country "Atlanta brisket" involves braising in onion soup mix and Coke...
Twinwillow
Sirloin
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 10:35:40
ScreamingChicken

JRPfeff

Can someone define what Atlanta-style barbecue entails?
Well, according to Cook's Country "Atlanta brisket" involves braising in onion soup mix and Coke...


Heartbreaksoup
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 10:44:47
JRPfeff
Okay, Atlanta is THE top barbecue city in the United States of America.
It a fact!
Can someone define what Atlanta-style barbecue entails?

 
Nope.  In fact, I'll have an article appearing at Taste Trekkers next month arguing that there is no such thing, as I can easily find five Atlanta-area BBQ joints that don't taste a blessed thing like each other.
 
You could easily argue that Atlanta represents the point where Memphis-by-way-of-northern-Alabama -style peters out, going east.  You have a number of Alabama transplants like the Williamson Bros. and a few chains like Jim 'n Nick's that bring that style.  
 
You've got some of the homegrown "classic Atlanta" style of dry, coarsely-chopped pork, as seen at Old Hickory House, Mr. D's, Georgia Barbecue Co (former owner of the chain Jilly's, apparently), and Glenn's in Conyers.  This style seems to be slowly dying out.
 
The western 'burbs have the Hudson's-style sauce, seen in nearly a dozen places, with the meat served drowned in blood-red, thin, vinegar-pepper-Worcestershire sauce.
 
You have some of the competition circuit champions setting up shop.  There's one impressive family tree that stretches from the original Sam & Dave's to the two, now solo, and their three locations, to Community Q and Grand Champion.  And you musn't discount Ziegler's and The Oink Joint, also competition regulars.
 
Oak has supplanted the more expensive hickory in a lot of these places.  Southern Pride smokers are increasingly common.
 
I am second to nobody in my love and admiration for the celebrated barbecue in Texas, Memphis, North Carolina, and so on, but the genuine truth, for anybody willing to spend some time and energy here instead of rushing through to more press-worthy places in other states, is that some of the tastiest barbecue joints on the planet are right here.
 
(And while my earlier post seems to have been eaten, I'd like to add that Urbanspoon lists 268 open barbecue restaurants in the Atlanta metro area, and that number does *not* include wings and soul food places, because I myself edited them all out.)
JRPfeff
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 11:27:11
Heartbreaksoup - Thanks for the info. It does make sense after thinking about it. Why wouldn't there be good barbecue in Atlanta? It being the melting pot of the Southeast would lead to several varieties being available.
 
Have you posted any Atlanta barbecue reviews at Roadfood? That may the best way to get ATL BBQ on the Roadfood map. I'd consider driving down some weekend for a tour of the best of the restaurants.
 
Jim
Heartbreaksoup
Cheeseburger
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 11:37:10
Not here.  I have my own site, Jim:
 
http://marieletseat.com/barbecue/
ScreamingChicken
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 13:54:20
Twinwillow
ScreamingChicken
JRPfeff Can someone define what Atlanta-style barbecue entails?
Well, according to Cook's Country "Atlanta brisket" involves braising in onion soup mix and Coke...
I just checked the TV listings and this episode is actually going to be on Create TV tonight at 7:30 CST.  The brisket is described as "succulent"...
EdSails
Filet Mignon
Re:Top 5 BBQ Cities in U.S. 2013/12/27 19:24:47
Heartbreaksoup

Not here.  I have my own site, Jim:

http://marieletseat.com/barbecue/

 
Nice website, Marie. Too bad you didn't join us at the Brick Pit for the Glee Club meeting----I think you'd have been a welcome addition!