Hot!Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve

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Midnights
Cheeseburger
2014/04/04 13:28:45
All other things being equal (same milkfat percentage, same cones, same amount of overrun, same amount of vanilla, etc.), which do you prefer: frozen custard or regular soft serve? Why?
post edited by Midnights - 2014/04/04 17:22:55
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 13:36:37
I don't eat either one. I eat ice cream.
phlmaestro
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 13:38:10
Frozen custard. It's denser. I also find that a lot of soft-serve is lacking in flavor, which usually isn't a problem with custard.
 
I'm thrilled that a Burger-Fi just opened near my office. Their burgers are only OK, but they have excellent frozen custard. I'm sure I'll be stopping in there periodically this summer to get my fix.
mar52
Sirloin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 13:57:22
Frozen custard because I can't get it here.
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 15:01:10
Dumb Question----Frozen Custard of course!
We have Freddy's & Culvers here. No Contest.
DQ a VERY distant 2nd.
leethebard
Sirloin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 15:34:12
Living at the Jersey shore, we have access to lots of great frozen Custard. "Kohr's"  has been around for ever . Great quality and taste....No brainer...And I agree, nothing is worse than tasteless soft serve!!!!!
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 15:36:30
While I may agree it sounds like a dumb question, I have found more than a few people who turned up their nose when I mentioned frozen custard. I was wondering if those custard haters are in the minority or the majority. While I personally prefer custard, I don't want to spend twice as much to produce a product that my customers don't actually want.
Greymo
Filet Mignon
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 17:49:20
I would never buy soft serve..............I do not like it at all.
My favorite is good old fashion hard ice cream but I would never turn down frozen custard!
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 17:57:44
Speaking of ice cream, Velvet Ice Cream of Utica, Ohio is celebrating its 100th anniversary. I learned today that in addition to its own  branded ice cream Velvet also makes Ben and Jerry's under contract.
Davydd
Sirloin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 19:18:18
Midnights

While I may agree it sounds like a dumb question, I have found more than a few people who turned up their nose when I mentioned frozen custard. I was wondering if those custard haters are in the minority or the majority. While I personally prefer custard, I don't want to spend twice as much to produce a product that my customers don't actually want.

I imagine those same people turning up their noses on frozen custard might gag on soft serve. Did you ask what they were comparing their opinion to? Maybe they preferred real ice cream.
 
Actually I may be too old. I realize there is a generation now that has probably never eaten real food, only processed.
Michael Hoffman
Double-chop Porterhouse
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 19:27:38
I remember frozen custard at Peter Franke's at Savin Rock in West Haven, Connecticut when I was a kid. I didn't like it then and I didn't like it when I tried it again about 20 years ago. Soft serve? No thanks. I remember Carvel.
MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 20:21:07
Frozen custard absolutely.  But I won't turn down soft serve. 
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 20:31:02
Those who didn't like it said it tasted eggy. One even said it tasted like cold scrambled eggs. I don't know if that's just a mental thing where they are convincing themselves of it when they wouldn't think that if it was a blind taste test. I suspect that might be the case for at least some of them. One started complaining about the dangers of raw eggs. When I told her that modern frozen custard is pasteurized, she said that must have just been the stuff I've had. When I explained that the health department regulations mandate that it be pasteurized she said, "Well, it tastes like cold scrambled eggs anyway." That interaction was actually the impetus for me asking this question here.
post edited by Midnights - 2014/04/04 20:32:07
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 20:32:20
Depends who your customer base is.
If you plan to sell to 30 Something's and older, they'll probably go for Frozen Custard. If you're selling to under 30 Something's, you could sell them dog poop and they wouldn't know the difference!
Frozen Custard was around before soft serve. There are whole younger generations who have never eaten frozen custard so it will be hard for them
to understand the difference. They would lump frozen custard & soft serve under the same umbrella and wonder why you're charging so much for it.
So who are your target customers? That will determine what to try first.
post edited by Foodbme - 2014/04/07 02:57:33
Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 20:34:46
Midnights
Those who didn't like it said it tasted eggy. One even said it tasted like cold scrambled eggs. I don't know if that's just a mental thing where they are convincing themselves of it when they wouldn't think that if it was a blind taste test. I suspect that might be the case for at least some of them. One started complaining about the dangers of raw eggs. When I told her that modern frozen custard is pasteurized, she said that must have just been the stuff I've had. When I explained that the health department regulations mandate that it be pasteurized she said, "Well, it tastes like cold scrambled eggs anyway." That interaction was actually the impetus for me asking this question here.

Are you purchasing product for re-sale or are you making it yourself?
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 20:37:28
I'll be purchasing the base mix from the dairy, and then putting the flavoring in it myself.
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 20:40:05
I plan on doing high-quality soft serve, so very likely 10% milkfat. They supply both a regular soft serve and a custard base mix. In my state, I can't make my own custard mix without a bunch of extra, required equipment.
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 21:54:35
If you do go with soft serve & it's a quality product from a dairy...it would be much better to get your flavors with quality & creative toppings vs. mixing in Magical Flavors (shelf-stable with a shelf-life of over a year).

Keysey42
Hamburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 23:29:50
I would vote for frozen custard hands down, but I'm an oldie. Soft serve likely has a broader appeal. Since you'll be using a base mix with from the same company for either option, and doing your own flavors, soft serve might be a better bet. Places like Milwaukee, where my family is from, that have a long-standing custard tradition will support a bunch of custard stands (like Kopp's and Gilley's). In places where it's not a known, established product, there will likely be resistance. I don't know how it would play in Denver. I know a custard stand that opened down the road from me in Mount Dora, FL, didn't survive.
Keysey42
Hamburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/04 23:30:13
I would vote for frozen custard hands down, but I'm an oldie. Soft serve likely has a broader appeal. Since you'll be using a base mix from the same company for either option, and doing your own flavors, soft serve might be a better bet. Places like Milwaukee, where my family is from, that have a long-standing custard tradition will support a bunch of custard stands (like Kopp's and Gilley's). In places where it's not a known, established product, there will likely be resistance. I don't know how it would play in Denver. I know a custard stand that opened down the road from me in Mount Dora, FL, didn't survive.
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/05 00:13:21
I have designed my truck so I can serve three soft serve flavors. I was planning on one being vanilla and the other two being rotating specialty flavors (utilizing Magical Flavors). I was figuring on having specialty sauces and toppings (some signature ones for the vanilla, and some that would rotate with the other two flavors).
I guess I can just try it in Denver and see. If Denver doesn't like it, I can easily change to regular soft serve.
That does suck that the Mt. Dora custard stand closed. I remember it from when I lived in Florida.
leethebard
Sirloin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/05 08:14:45
Midnights

I have designed my truck so I can serve three soft serve flavors. I was planning on one being vanilla and the other two being rotating specialty flavors (utilizing Magical Flavors). I was figuring on having specialty sauces and toppings (some signature ones for the vanilla, and some that would rotate with the other two flavors).
I guess I can just try it in Denver and see. If Denver doesn't like it, I can easily change to regular soft serve.
That does suck that the Mt. Dora custard stand closed. I remember it from when I lived in Florida.

What no chocolate??? In Costco, I've noticed most customers going for chocolate, or a mix of both! And I'd guess that'd be the case in most places around here.  I'd think you would be better off offering the two standard flavors, and alternating with a special third!
bartl
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/05 11:28:38
Alas, most places I have gone to which claim to serve "frozen custard" are really serving soft-serve high-overrun ice milk.
 
Bart
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/05 22:09:53
leethebard
What no chocolate??? In Costco, I've noticed most customers going for chocolate, or a mix of both! And I'd guess that'd be the case in most places around here.  I'd think you would be better off offering the two standard flavors, and alternating with a special third!

I'll have real. premium chocolate hard pack. Chocolate isn't as versatile when it comes to shakes/sundaes/floats/etc. There are limitations I have to deal with because I'm doing it on a truck. Most soft serve trucks only have vanilla.
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/05 22:12:12
bartl

Alas, most places I have gone to which claim to serve "frozen custard" are really serving soft-serve high-overrun ice milk.

Bart

That may be an issue to start with, as people may not really know the difference. But once they taste it, they will know the difference between real frozen custard and what sometimes gets passed off as frozen custard.
love2bake
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/05 22:39:41
Frozen custard just has this silky, luxurious feeling to it that soft serve doesn't.  So I much prefer it, but like others have said, I won't turn down soft serve, either.
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/06 11:51:13
Momofuku Milk Bar makes soft serves that have become iconic in the NYC ice cream scene. Very popular delicious rich & decadent.

It's made in an Electro Freeze machine (same as Mr. Softee & BGICT) with pasteurized not homogenized milk (no heavy cream or eggs) supplied from a local dairy...that used to be Millk Thistle but I gather it's from Ronnybrook these days as Milk Thistle went out of business in 2012).


http://milkbarstore.com


post edited by CCinNJ - 2014/04/06 13:15:41
Turtle66
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/06 13:39:47
I need to try frozen custard sounds delicious, hard to find here.   
phlmaestro
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/06 14:17:42
It was hard to find here too until relatively recently. The only place that offered it was pretty far out in the western suburbs of Philly. But within the past year or two, several burger chains that sell custard have moved into the area: Shake Shack, Freddy's Frozen Custard and Steakburbers, and Burger-Fi.
MellowRoast
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/06 14:56:28
We didn't have frozen custard here until 2004.  It's so delicious, one only wonders why it's not everywhere.
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/06 15:30:10
Many Americans look only at price. They only see that this cone is twice the price of that other one. Real frozen custard costs over twice as much as the cheap ice milk that is normally served as soft serve. And those are at least a dairy product. Many of the cheap places use what amounts to non-dairy creamer powder to make their soft-serve. The number one seller of ice cream in America isn't Ben & Jerry's, it's McDonald's. That said, enoug Americans do put quality over price that there is a market for the real stuff.
CCinNJ
Sirloin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/06 23:58:26
While you make that case as far as quality fresh ingredients you also have to make sure the homework is done on Magical Flavors as well.

It's like a top shelf spirit. Many people will gladly pay & will either drink it straight or expect top quality mixers in their cocktails.

Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/07 03:08:28
Milwaukee sells more Frozen Custard than anywhere else and has become known as the "Custard Capital of the World."
The History of Frozen Custard
http://www.rebco2000.com/ollies/custardhistory.htm
Keysey42
Hamburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/07 08:04:19
Foodbme:

We're going to Milwaukee for the State Fair this summer — I can already taste the custard at Kopp's!
ALL GOOD
Hamburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/07 13:08:46
I live in Milwaukee and can't stand custard.  It's overrated.  Soft serve is okay on the cheap, but real hard packed, hand scooped ice cream is almost impossible to find around these parts and I miss that!
eruby
Double Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/07 13:27:08
Frozen Custard.
pineyhill
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/04/07 13:41:43
I live in WI and grew up on a dairy farm, I like frozen dairy treats in any form except for those cheap ice creams that crystallize at the drop of a hat....
claracamille
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/06/17 17:20:18
Culvers frosen custard.
claracamille
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/06/17 17:20:49
Culvers frosen custard.
tmiles
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/06/17 19:24:04
I don't think that I have ever had "real" frozen custard. As an earlier poster mentioned, the frozen custard that I did have was probably soft serve. 
 
Cost has been mentioned. I don't see how adding egg ups the price. Eggs are cheap.
Midnights
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/06/17 22:00:38
Eggs may be cheap, but not as cheap as the seaweed-based emulsifiers.
leethebard
Sirloin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/06/17 22:28:38
Kohr's frozen custard on various boardwalks at the Jersey shore!!!!! The BEST!!!
Sundancer7
Fire Safety Admin
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/06/18 09:26:27
Personally I prefer gelato and particularly salted caramel.  Almost any brand.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN
devincianna
Junior Burger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/07/12 19:17:08
I love sweet frog
 

Foodbme
Porterhouse
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/07/12 19:38:32
tmiles
I don't think that I have ever had "real" frozen custard. As an earlier poster mentioned, the frozen custard that I did have was probably soft serve. 
Cost has been mentioned. I don't see how adding egg ups the price. Eggs are cheap.

It also has a higher milk fat content and is a denser product which weighs more per ounce.
"The frozen custard that I did have was probably soft serve." 
That's a Yogi Berra-ism!
If it was Frozen Custard, then it wasn't soft serve and vice versa!" />"
2 entirely different products!
post edited by Foodbme - 2014/07/12 19:46:59
claracamille
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/07/12 22:27:27
We have Culvers in Indianapolis so I have a great frozen custard to compare to ice cream ( we just got a Graters!!). Frozen custard for cones, milk shakes, concrete mixers. Regular ice cream for sundies & banana splits.
MetroplexJim
Filet Mignon
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/07/13 14:26:17
Custard has a higher milk-fat content and, with eggs, more protein as well.
 
It is denser than DQ or Tastee-Freeze and has a far richer flavor.
 
Here in the McKinney area we have both Culvers and Freddies as well as some local independents.  Back in NoVa we enjoyed it at Frozen Dairy Bar, a small local chain, and several single location mom & pops, including the locally legendary Carl's in Fredericksburg.
pnwchef
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/07/13 14:50:12
The last time I had frozen custard was in Chicago. My family never had it, they all love it. Nothing better in my mind.....................It goes great with a slice of Portillos chocolate cake.............
 
 
post edited by pnwchef - 2014/07/13 17:19:59
Wintahaba
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/07/13 16:52:45
.....w/ Portillo's chocolate cake, after a beef, dipped, with hot giardiniera...oh yea! BTW, MetroplexJim, The Frozen Dairy Bar rocked. I lived a few miles away when I was a kid....what an icon.
pnwchef
Double Chili Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/07/13 17:21:57
Wintahaba
.....w/ Portillo's chocolate cake, after a beef, dipped, with hot giardiniera...oh yea! BTW, MetroplexJim, The Frozen Dairy Bar rocked. I lived a few miles away when I was a kid....what an icon.




You right it was Portillos. It was with an Italian beef, But, I had sweet peppers and a beer. Then this
 

Wintahaba
Cheeseburger
Re:Frozen Custard or Regular Soft Serve 2014/07/13 18:53:08
pnwchef, Sorry, I was not correcting, I thought  another Chicago spot had killer cake also. My wife and daughter lived for that treat. I had a bite...sometimes.