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hefried

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nutrition-y question Tue, 08/24/04 12:01 AM (permalink)
Hi foodies like me,
i was wondering what you all think of this?

My son was diagnosed with cancer. He's only 5.
He's a skinnykid to begin with, and eats small portions and is normally fairly picky, (like most 5 yr olds).
But with the surgeries going on and the chemotherapy thats coming up He's been wanting to eat junk foods when he does want to eat at all. Like McDonalds, and Popeyes and pizza and ice cream .
I'm worried about basic nutrition and the fact that food like that is just junk.....
Does anyone have any thoughts on substitutes for junky foods that he might like?


And,someone said to me,
" Calories (and energy) are calories, at least he's eating something....."
What do you think?

i just want to see what other people who know about food (and presumably something about nutrition, as a result, or i could be crazy thinking that??!!!) think on this matter.....
thanks alot
 
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    Jennifer_4

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    RE: nutrition-y question Tue, 08/24/04 12:56 AM (permalink)
    I think a healthy mix of both is good.. there are healthier versions of his favorite junk foods you could make at home.. hamburgers using soy patties or turkey burgers on whole wheat buns with plenty of veggies that he likes.. turkey dogs in whole wheat buns.. nachos made from baked chips and reduced fat cheese.. pizza with better for you toppings.. baked fries.. baked crunchy chicken.. ice cream is full of calcium.. use frozen yogurt if you want.. and plenty of OJ, berries, ketchup..full of antioxidants! Antioxidants are key..

    but it's good that he eats at all, I have to agree with that..
    You all will be in my prayers tonite..
    Many hugs and blessings on you.
     
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      BT

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      RE: nutrition-y question Tue, 08/24/04 4:34 AM (permalink)
      I think you have to be practical about something like this. If he is losing weight, then any calorie is a good calorie if he will eat it and won't eat the possibly healthier alternatives. If his weight is stable, then he is getting enough calories and you can focus more on things like antioxidants, vitamins and so on.

      When it comes to calories (really, kilocalories), there are just 3 sources: carbohydrates (4 kcal/gram), protein (4 kcal/gram) and fat (9 kcal/gram). McDonald's burgers, pizza and the rest are made up of those same sources of calories and (unfortunately for those of us with weight problems) plenty of them. And actually, for nutritional purposes, foods containing lots of animal protein like burgers and ice cream are pretty nutritious.

      Your son's problem is not the same as the problem we fat adults have. For him, I think MEAT is preferable to soy substitutes (which contain a protein of lower biologic quality) and, unless he is gaining too much weight (unlikely), there's nothing wrong with fat. Remember that people who do not eat meat (i.e vegans), have to become real experts at combining various vegetable proteins to get combinations that equal the nutritional value of meat (bean and rice are one classic) and you probably don't have the time or interest to become sufficiently expert in that--so just let him eat the meat he wants.

      There's a famous story about that. It seems the French Army in WWI realized that muscle tissue is mostly protein and reasoned that healing muscle would benefit from a high protein diet (true). They also reasoned that since gelatin is nearly pure protein (made from horses hooves), feeding it to their wounded in massive quantities would provide a high protein diet, so that's what they did--and their wounded died in huge numbers. It seems that gelatin is lacking one vital amino acid, so although it is pure protein, the body cannot use it exclusively to repair muscle tissue. The moral to the story is, if you want to repair muscle and other body organs, one simple way to help is to eat something that contains everything needed for the repair--i.e. meat (which is, of course, animal muscle tissue). A second lesson is, variety in the diet is good, because few foods contain everything needed and you're more likely to get what you need by eating a variety of foods. So a diet high in meat (burgers, chicken, turkey), dairy products (ice cream, cheese on the pizza, yogurt if he'll eat it, milk) and possibly eggs (see below) isn't so bad.

      And you can supplement all the high quality protein with vitamins (a therapeutic multivitamin tablet, either prescribed by your doctor or just purchased with the advice of a pharmacist) and as many fruits and veggies (tomato on the burgers--and in ketchup--and in the pizza sauce; fruits like blueberries, strawberries, oranges--and fruit juices--and so forth which contain lots of vitamins and antioxidants) as he'll eat.

      One classic way to improve the nutritional value of ice cream even more is buy turning it into a milk shake with eggs and flavorings like chocoalte syrup, although the eggs are of necessity raw and that's controversial today. There do exist pasteurized eggs, though, and you could use those.

      The one thing I'd probably minimize is the starch (potatoes, rice, pasta)--again, unless he's losing weight but then fat is a better source of pure calories.

      Best wishes. I'm fighting a similar fight on the other side of the generation curve. My dad has cancer and, at nearly 90, won't eat much at all. My sister discovered if she made chocolate pudding (out of milk, eggs etc) he would eat some--and managed to put a few of the pounds he'd lost back on him that way. So I just suggest experimenting keeping the sorts of things above in mind.
       
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        Kristi S.

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        RE: nutrition-y question Tue, 08/24/04 8:57 AM (permalink)
        Does he like milkshakes? What about whipping up a healthy shake at home that has yogurt, fresh berries, and some honey and milk? The possibilities are endless. You could even make one with Bosco with some bananas and peanut butter and I'd bet he'd love it and never know it was "healthy" for him!
         
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          zussers

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          RE: nutrition-y question Tue, 08/24/04 9:19 AM (permalink)
          Hi! Here is just a suggestion with out any medical or nutritional back-up like in the wonderful posts above, but when you are cooking for him at home, have you thought of using free-range meat products without all the growth hormones and chemicals? The Imus Ranch cookbook for Cowboys and Kids is a vegan cookbook, but has great recipes for healthy foods for kids. Many of the children who attend the ranch have cancer and the food served is especially made for them. Type in Imus Ranch in your search engine and you will get several hits! Sending hopeful and encouraging thoughts your way! Susan
           
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            hefried

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            RE: nutrition-y question Wed, 08/25/04 6:52 PM (permalink)
            Thank you so much for allllll the ideas! so kind of all of you! I just feel guilty feeding him junk. YES i do cook healthy at home ( ok ok most of the time!!!!!) with turkey burgers and even boca and garden burgers etc.... but y'know mcdonalds is SUCH a thrill when your five! Please tell me what is bosco???? thanks for all your thoughts everyone! Neat story about "jello"!
             
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              rmcielwain

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              RE: nutrition-y question Wed, 08/25/04 6:59 PM (permalink)

              Hefried,

              Bosco was a very popular chocolate syrup added to milk like
              the Hershey's syrup products. It became popular in the 1950's
              as children's TV began to emerge, with a famous tag line,
              "What, No Bosco?" Even though Lenny & Squiggy begged for it
              on an episode of "Laverne and Shirley", not even that could get
              Bosco in favor with the public again as Quik and Hershey's began to
              dominate the market.
              Yes, it's still around at the "Hometown Favorites" website.

               
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                BT

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                RE: nutrition-y question Wed, 08/25/04 7:00 PM (permalink)
                quote:
                Originally posted by hefried

                Thank you so much for allllll the ideas! so kind of all of you! I just feel guilty feeding him junk. YES i do cook healthy at home ( ok ok most of the time!!!!!) with turkey burgers and even boca and garden burgers etc.... but y'know mcdonalds is SUCH a thrill when your five! Please tell me what is bosco???? thanks for all your thoughts everyone! Neat story about "jello"!


                Bosco = chocolate syrup (it's a brand, really, but marketed for "creating" chocolate milk especially; or at least that's what it was 50 years ago when I was a kid ]
                 
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                  BT

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                  RE: nutrition-y question Wed, 08/25/04 7:03 PM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by rmcielwain

                  Bosco was a very popular chocolate syrup . . . .

                  Darn! Ya beat me by 37 seconds, but that's enough to take the gold!
                   
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                    rmcielwain

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                    RE: nutrition-y question Wed, 08/25/04 7:45 PM (permalink)


                    BT, that's OK - I'll share the gold with you (or in this
                    topic, we'll both have a glass of Bosco, which would be good
                    on most hot Florida summer days!!)
                     
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                      Jennifer_4

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                      RE: nutrition-y question Wed, 08/25/04 7:59 PM (permalink)
                      Well I think junk food is fine for the little guy for a treat! My goodness if he doesn't deserve it now, when will he? Especially when he's feeling poopy... just load him up with antioxidants when you can, they will help his body fight this thing.
                       
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                        hefried

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                        RE: nutrition-y question Wed, 08/25/04 11:32 PM (permalink)
                        Thank you for all the kind words. I will feed him junk for treats and good stuff when he can hack it~
                        He IS an amazing strong little guy~
                         
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                          Bushie

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                          RE: nutrition-y question Wed, 08/25/04 11:37 PM (permalink)
                          My heart goes out to you. Although I think I can imagine how painful this all is to you, I guess I really can't know, since I haven't experienced my child with cancer.

                          As a parent, I certainly understand the true love we have for our children (which I didn't understand AT ALL before). It honestly breaks my heart to hear about your son.

                          I agree with the previous posters that you need to balance things. I'm a firm believer in healthy, "natural" foods, but your little guy needs calories.

                          Feed him what he wants for now, and G-d willing, he'll be able to eat the healthy foods you offer him in the future.

                          G-d Bless You in your endeavor.
                           
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                            BT

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                            RE: nutrition-y question Thu, 08/26/04 12:06 AM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by rmcielwain



                            BT, that's OK - I'll share the gold with you (or in this
                            topic, we'll both have a glass of Bosco, which would be good
                            on most hot Florida summer days!!)


                            Yes, I think here I'd prefer mine as hot cocoa (present temp 66 foggy degrees)
                             
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