Ollie Burger Sauce

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (olliemaniac)

Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:50:57 GMT

Capt Rick -- I am having tons of fun in the kitchen! Thanks for noticing. I very much appreciate Dennis making the spices available. Recently I tried adding some water to the spices (something like 2TB water to 5Tb mix) to make up a paste, then allowing it to set overnight. Then just add 1tsp per 1/3rd lb burger (I use a half cup measuring cup to approx 1/3rd lb). I have found that not only spraying the Forman grill with PAM type spray but also each side of the burger prevents them from breaking up / sticking to grill. Also ... wow ... toasting the buns (on a pancake griddle or whatever) makes a huge difference.
Feel free to contact me. Maybe we could cook up some Ollie Burgers some time. (I'm in Cape Coral)

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (MellowRoast)

Wed, 26 Jan 2011 00:15:20 GMT

This is one heck of a thread. I'm dizzy from reading it!

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (mercman)

Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:19:48 GMT

i have a email adress for those looking for the sauce e mail me @mercman68@comcast.net

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (dmbeltran)

Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:56:50 GMT

captainrick747,

Read in your blog to MiamiDon that you have a great recipe for caesar dressing. Could you please email me your recipe so that I can make it at home? My email address is marindb2002@yahoo.com.

Thanks!

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (VinceH)

Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:37:49 GMT

Actually I was replying to your single post. Sorry for any confusion.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (captainrick747)

Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:03:32 GMT

VinceH

When you say there was no bun sauce.... that is YOUR experience. At the Pekin and Peoria Illinois LUMS they used BUN SAUCE! Every time I went to LUMS for years I had to ask for the sauce on the side because they would always put way too much on the buns. ( I think it was Mayo, Thousand Island dressing and Ollie spices... It was stout!)

Man... I miss them! I emailed Dennis so it won't be too much longer!!!

You should read back a bit before you start posting Vince. I was referring to Ollie's Steak House, not Lums. The place where the original Ollie burger came from. No cheese, No Sauce NEVER!!!

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (VinceH)

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 12:28:13 GMT

When you say there was no bun sauce.... that is YOUR experience. At the Pekin and Peoria Illinois LUMS they used BUN SAUCE! Every time I went to LUMS for years I had to ask for the sauce on the side because they would always put way too much on the buns. ( I think it was Mayo, Thousand Island dressing and Ollie spices... It was stout!)

Man... I miss them! I emailed Dennis so it won't be too much longer!!!

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (captainrick747)

Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:30:11 GMT

Olliemaniac AKA Todd Mayer, I hope you are having a good time in your kitchen!

There was NO BUN SAUCE on a Ollie Burger. If Ollie only knew how much of this would have been going on he would have gotten a real kick out of it.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (olliemaniac)

Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:02:13 GMT

**** Here is the recipe for Ollieburgers, marinade, sauce, and cooking instructions.
I was able to deduce the proportions from a sample of the red mix. If anyone finds any errors, please let me know. Todd Mayer, Cape Coral, FL

RED OLLIE MIX DUPLICATED
Place these below items in a bowl, blend well, then remove 1TB for the BUN SAUCE below.
To the remaining red mix, add 1/2 cup water.
2 level tsp Alessi fine grain sea salt
1/2 level tsp Spice Islands Smoked paprika
1/4 level tsp Colman dry English mustard
1/2 level tsp ground cayenne red pepper
1/2 level tsp powdered romano and parmesan cheese

1/16 tsp hickory smoke powder (about half of an 1/8 tsp measuring spoon)
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1 level tsp onion powder
1 1/2 level tsp sugar
caraway -- 1/2 slightly rounded tsp each of caraway seed, anise seed, cayenne flakes, sesame seed , poppy seed , and celery seed
1/2 level tsp each of Basil, Crushed Rosemary, Thyme
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For making Ollieburgers:
1lb ground round (for three 1/3rd lb burgers)
Pepperidge Farm Classic hamburger buns
A few hours before making Ollie burgers:
In a small (12 oz) glass bowl, mix 4 level TB Ollie Spices into
10 TB of water. Mix well & set in the fridge.
BUN SAUCE
In a separate 8oz glass bowl for bun sauce mix the
below items and also set in fridge:
1 level TB dry red Ollie mix
4 rounded TB Real Mayonnaise
2 TB Kraft Creamy French dressing
1 slightly rounded tsp: onion powder
2 slightly rounded tsp: organic cane sugar
2 rounded tsp: sweet pickle relish
1 tsp each: apple cider vinegar, ketchup
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After spice mix has set for a few hours:
Add 1 TB to each 1/3lb of hamburger meat.
Have the burgers set at least 20 minutes before cooking. (Burgers should be about 1/2" thick .. )
*** (Place each section of meat in a glass bowl, make a dent in the center, pour in the spice mix, and then blend it into the meat with a metal soup spoon. )
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Cook the burgers on George Forman Grill for 3 minutes (grill warmed a minute first) before adding the slice of Sargento Mozzarella cheese for about count of 14 (till cheese melts somewhat ... have the Forman cover hovering, not in the closed position for the cheese step).
Put plenty of bun sauce on the bun ...

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (analei)

Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:47:15 GMT

that was a funny typo: labor insensitive.

Could be applied to lazy people as a politically correct term.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (dennisdb61@aol.com)

Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:01:27 GMT

Thanks David_NYC for the suggestion on selling on Ebay. I will change
the ad and add in the amount .

David O,
Did you recieve the Ollieburger spices?
Dennis

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (David_NYC)

Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:18:39 GMT

I note that Dennis is offering the fry and burger seasonings for sale on Ebay. But he doesn't list the weight. He would probably get more sales if he mentioned he was selling a whole pound of the seasonings for that price.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (captainrick747)

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:51:39 GMT

First, Thanks MiamiDon for the compliment, email me and I will be glad to email you the original Captain Rick's Caesar Dressing recipe in a batch size fit for your home. (Unless you want to make 250 gallons at a time)

Now on to Mr. NY Dave.

In this country, anyone can walk into almost any court house and file papers to sue any person or company any time they like. Getting a judge and or a jury to grant a judgment in your favor is an entirely different matter.

I had all of my employees that were in that area of production sign a non-discloser non-competition clause in their contract. Real good for taking them to court and spending tonnes of $$ on friggin attorneys.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (David_NYC)

Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:44:11 GMT

".......... but that is the ONLY protection that you have."

Depending upon the jurisdiction, firms do have additional protection in the form of trade secret protection. This protects them from "inside jobs". So while a food manufacturer can't patent a recipe, he can sue a (usually former) employee and a competitor for transfer of information that the food manufacturer took steps to keep secret.

The "some rights" I was referring to were sales rights.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (MiamiDon)

Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:58:56 GMT

captainrick747

David NYC "If the foodservice manufacturer who is still producing the spice mixture put any development effort into the formula, they might have some rights, or it just may be their trade secret".

In a nut shell and I am not trying to get into a spitting match here. I owned and operated a salad dressing and sauce manufacturing company for 14 years in Miami. I sold my products to the largest grocery store chain in Florida (Publix) as well as many gourmet and specialty stores. I also packed food service sizes of my products and private labeled for other customers. I am going to write this slowly so you above that have hassled Dennis can understand this. YOU CAN NOT PATENT A RECIPE!! You can copywrite a written recipe that has been published, including on a label of a product. (I own 5 of them). And you can register a trademark for a label or a logo, but that is the ONLY protection that you have. If you can find a chemist that can do a quantitative analysis (A very expensive proposition) that will give you the same recipe as Coca Cola or KFC, there is not a damn thing that they can do about it as long as you do not try to sell it by the name Coca Cola or KFC. By the way, this has been tried many times but no one has been able to do it.

I remember Captain Rick's. Good stuff.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (captainrick747)

Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:05:00 GMT

David NYC "If the foodservice manufacturer who is still producing the spice mixture put any development effort into the formula, they might have some rights, or it just may be their trade secret".

In a nut shell and I am not trying to get into a spitting match here. I owned and operated a salad dressing and sauce manufacturing company for 14 years in Miami. I sold my products to the largest grocery store chain in Florida (Publix) as well as many gourmet and specialty stores. I also packed food service sizes of my products and private labeled for other customers. I am going to write this slowly so you above that have hassled Dennis can understand this. YOU CAN NOT PATENT A RECIPE!! You can copywrite a written recipe that has been published, including on a label of a product. (I own 5 of them). And you can register a trademark for a label or a logo, but that is the ONLY protection that you have. If you can find a chemist that can do a quantitative analysis (A very expensive proposition) that will give you the same recipe as Coca Cola or KFC, there is not a damn thing that they can do about it as long as you do not try to sell it by the name Coca Cola or KFC. By the way, this has been tried many times but no one has been able to do it.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (David_NYC)

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:09:36 GMT

Rick, I apologize if anyone who read my post came away thinking I was attacking Dennis. What I was hoping for is that Dennis would add to his web site and to his message board posts statements that he was retailing the genuine spice mixture. I felt that his earlier descriptions didn't make the impact they should have.

I have often posted on this web site about entrepreneurs who start selling a product whose original manufacturer quit production or went bankrupt, or the original manufacturer who brings back a product after it has been out of production for a while. More often than not, the re-introduced product disappoints me. I get especially angry when a manufacturer slaps a dormant brand name on a product originally produced by someone else, and the two are no where near alike. I feel this new producer was deceiving me on purpose. Just a few of the subjects from the last year were Ducane grills, Mother's cookies, Sunshine Hydrox cookies, NoCal soda, Big Shef hamburgers, and Baby Watson cheesecakes.

Then, there is the large amount of hype in the food business. So, I carefully look for weasel words. I once remember an article in a newspaper about high end steakhouses and if they aged their steaks or not. A lot of steak houses indicated they dry aged their steaks on premises. One guy said he used a 'wet aging" process. The writer speculated that the steak house was merely storing their boxed meat in its original Cryovac until older product was cooked for patrons!

I have also bought "Copycat" recipe books. Often, these recipes would call forcommon spices and seasonings available from many different suppliers. While most of these recipes disappointed, I would often get very different results for the same menu item by simply using the same ingredients as produced by different manufacturers. The writers of these books often did not name the manufacturers of the ingredients they used.

What I took away from Dennis' additional posts is that he retailing some (probably the original) foodservice manufacturer's spice mixture as produced over the years for the remaining independent Ollie's restaurants. By him identifying himself as the operations manager of restaurants indicates that at one time he was responsible for the procurement of food and would know who was producing an "original" formula, which would be the one which Lum's restaurants bought after Ollie sold the formula to Lum's.

ADDENDUM: To address the concerns of David O from Wasilla, if the foodservice manufacturer who is still producing the spice mixture put any development effort into the formula, they might have some rights, or it just may be their trade secret. If the company that commissioned the product is gone, kaput, finito, it is a free-for-all. The remaining restauranteurs may benefit from a secondary sales channel. If sales of a product become too low, the foodservice manufacturer will drop the item and let the remaining restauranteurs fend for themselves.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (captainrick747)

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:05:36 GMT

Wow, Haven't looked here in a while, getting hot and heavy. Dennis, you keep doing what you have been doing, we have spoken on the phone several times so we are both on the same page here. David NYC, you need to chill out, you are borderline on defamation here. All Dennis has done is to offer the same spice as he was sold when he worked for Lums. I have bought several pounds from him on numerous occasions, and I can tell you that it is a close to the real deal as I have ever been able to find. I knew Ollie personally for over 30 years before he died, and he would never let loose of the recipe to me or anyone else that I know of. If you don't want to buy some and try it then that is your choice. But you don't have to attack Dennis for trying to help out those that do.

Captain Rick

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (boyardee65)

Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:52:40 GMT

Dennis, I did not mean to imply that you were in any way dishonest. I respect your willingness to share the recipes that you cherish! I am sure that the people who have tried an Ollie Burger and love it are very appreciative of your efforts. I personally have never had an Ollie Burger but it sounds intriguing.

I would take you up on your previously stated offer to try the spice mix with you paying the postage. I don't want a 1 lb. package however. A little jar will do. You can look up my email address in my profile and then contact me directly from there.

Best of luck,

David O.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (dennisdb61@aol.com)

Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:22:32 GMT

Guys,
I buy the spices from the same source we purchased them from when the restaurants were open. There are Ollies Trolleys that are open and still use the spices also. I just resale them. We never had a recipe to make the spices , they came in a case containing 24 one pound bags. The bun sauce came in cases of four one gallon jars, we never made it either. I did not own the LUMS franchises I was the operations director. My good friend Terry owned the franchises. Here is an my bio on my website:

I am a retired Director of Operations for Lums restaurants living in Florida. I was associated with Lums from 1980 till 1992. Our Restaurants were in upstate New York (Plattsburg & Lake Placid) and in Vermont (Burlington, Barre-Montplier, White River Junction,& Rutland). We also had a Bonanza Steak house, Kinfolks (a theme New England fare restaurant) and a fish house the Shanty-on-the Shore which is still operating on Battery street in Burlington.
I was also the general manager for Valle's Steak houses out of Portland Maine from 1972-1980. I managed Valle's in Springfield Va, Richmond Va, and Tampa Fl . I left Valle's after Mr. Valle passed away and his son took over.

I respect your comments , on the legality LUMS trademark is no longer registered. I sell the spices not for profit(I make less than $1.00 on each bag) but to offer to all of Ollie's and LUMS followers who really enjoyed the Ollieburger. I am pushing 70 years old and am proud to have know Ollie and Freidrich Jahn (wienerwald chicken founder) and to be able to let people taste their products. LUMS was a large part of my life.
I am honored to be able to partake in forums like this.
Thanks,
Dennis

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (boyardee65)

Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:20:21 GMT

I don't care if you promote your product on this site so long as it is YOURS!!! A good example of this is Buddy's Roadhouse BBQ sauces. He asked for feed back from people he sent samples to, (me included.) I think that that's the way to go. I agree with David_NYC that most proprietary spice mixes are not made all in one place so that any one person has the whole recipe. It could then be duplicated and ripped off.

Case in point: I was a prep cook for many years for Old Chicago Pizza and Pasta. When I first started there we only had two stores and ALL of the recipes were in a binder. As the business grew I noticed that we started to use spice mixes and the binders dissapeared so that no one could duplicate the exact recipe. I still have in my vast storehouse of my memory most of those recipes. I would NEVER EVER take those and try to sell them or even use them in a new restaurant. Besides the legal implications, IT IS NOT HONEST!!!

JMHO

David O.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (David_NYC)

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:00:46 GMT

ORIGINAL MESSAGE REDACTED on August 23rd, 2009.

Partly in response to my post, Dennis provided information on what he is offering for re-sale, and discussed his experience in the restaurant industry a few posts down from this one.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (dennisdb61@aol.com)

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:40:38 GMT

David,
Why don't you buy one lb of the Ollieburger seasoning to try. I will pay the postage. It is the original seasonings used by LUMS. Let me know.
Dennis
dennisdb61@aol.com

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (dennisdb61@aol.com)

Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:33:23 GMT

David,
I still buy the original spices from the supplier.
Dennis

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (boyardee65)

Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:02:37 GMT

Tell me Dennis, did you purchase this recipe or did you steal it? Was it your recipe or was it lifted from a backroom source?

Just curious, in humble but hungry Wasilla Ak.

David O.

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (dennisdb61@aol.com)

Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:07:51 GMT

I am retired director of operations for Lums . I sell the original Ollie spices for the Ollieburger and Ollie fries.You can purchase them at dennisdb61@aol.com Cost is $9.50 per lb plus postage. I have been selling the spices for the past two years to the many fans of the Ollieburger. The original Miami Beach patrons prepare the burgers different from the Lums fans,I have directions for both way thanks to Captain Rick who ate at the original Ollies on the
Beach several time a week. Ollie had a hard time teaching the yo-yos from Lums to make his masterpiece so the Lums Ollieburger is a little different. I have a website www.lums-recipes.com please visit it.
Thanks dennisdb61@aol.com

Re:Ollie Burger Sauce (Scub81)

Tue, 17 Feb 2009 01:11:59 GMT

I used to manage a LUMS in Rochester,NY and I'm still trying to find the ingrediants

RE: Ollie Burger Sauce (dreric1kansas)

Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:34:20 GMT

What a complete hoot!!!! I was talking to my wife and she asked if I ever cooked for a restaurant. I was an assistant in my AEPi fraternity at URI in Kingston RI in 1970-71. I then told her how I once worked for a joint and made the famous ollie burgers when I was a short order cook grill master for the Lum's in Asheville , NC (1975 or so) before I went to Western Carolina to do graduate work and tennis coach. It made me think to find the recipe since I love to eat, cook and use recipes. (She thought the sauce sounded gross but I found it tasty and others did too).
I will post this on my blog which I write for and write for Urbanspoon. What a hoot- finally finding these recipes after all these years. YOu all are great for posting them. If you can check out my posts on Urbanspoon and join me as a friend. I also have posts in Boston, Providence RI and other places I have traveled. I now live in Olathe, KS near Kansas City.
Dr. Eric Flescher, Olathe, KS(dreric1kansas@aol.com)
Kansas City Traveling Gourmet
<http://cpmputergourmet.blogspot.com/>

RE: Ollie Burger Sauce (captainrick747)

Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:02:58 GMT

O.K. here it is, I have found a gentleman that was the owner of several Lums restaurants in New England. He sells the “original” Ollie’s spice mixture for $9 per pound plus shipping. I am a native of Miami and spent many an afternoon at Ollie’s original steak house on Miami Beach. This is the real deal! As far as a bun sauce, there was NEVER any sauce on the original Ollie burger, in fact you were likely to get yelled at or something thrown at you if you tried to put ANYTHING on a burger that Ollie made. This is the same spice mixture that he used on his fries and in his thousand island dressing as well as on his awesome green beans. For a true Ollie burger, add 1 tsp of this spice mixture to each 1/3 lb. Burger meat. Let sit for 30 minutes and grill. I promise you that any of you old Miami Beach High School students will think your back at Ollie’s place. The only thing that will be missing is Ollie yelling at Terrie.

Dennis’s email @ dennisdb61@aol.com

Enjoy Captain Rick

RE: Ollie Burger Sauce (captainrick747)

Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:45:55 GMT

As a native of Miami, I spent many afternoons and evenings at Ollie’s Steak House next to Miami Beach High School as a teen and young adult in the 60’s and 70’s. I also had many an Ollie burger at Lums after Ollie sold his recipe to them in the early 70’s. I found you’re recipe a couple of days ago went out and bought the couple of ingredients that I did not already have in the pantry. Sorry to say it doesn’t even come close. And I was really hoping it would finally be the one.