Prime Rib Guidance Needed

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (matilda)

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:04:48 GMT

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Originally posted by edwmax

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Originally posted by matilda

I've eaten at the Greenville, SC Steak & Ale within the past year and it was not good at all.

As to the cook trying to pull that "fast one," we are most fortunate that idiots like that aren't an everyday encounter. I try to be nice and consider another's position, but good grief, that's just pathetic.

It's been 30 years since and I still haven't forgotten. The cook had rare steak, he put a thin slice on top of the well done slice. How stupid can a cook be?!

Apparently, very.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (edwmax)

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:51:02 GMT

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Originally posted by matilda

I've eaten at the Greenville, SC Steak & Ale within the past year and it was not good at all.

As to the cook trying to pull that "fast one," we are most fortunate that idiots like that aren't an everyday encounter. I try to be nice and consider another's position, but good grief, that's just pathetic.

It's been 30 years since and I still haven't forgotten. The cook had rare steak, he put a thin slice on top of the well done slice. How stupid can a cook be?!

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (matilda)

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:25:36 GMT

I've eaten at the Greenville, SC Steak & Ale within the past year and it was not good at all.

As to the cook trying to pull that "fast one," we are most fortunate that idiots like that aren't an everyday encounter. I try to be nice and consider another's position, but good grief, that's just pathetic.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (MiamiDon)

Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:58:55 GMT

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Originally posted by rjb

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Originally posted by edwmax

Does anyone know how the old Steak & Ale did their Prime Ribs? I think it may have been aged & marinated. My memory may be over rating their Prime Rib, but I thought it was the best around in Atlanta and Birmingham in the mid 70's.

I've googled but haven't found any reference to Steak & Ale's Prime Rib or copy-cat recipes.

Interesting. I worked at a Steak & Ale in Atlanta in the early 70's and don't recall they had prime rib on the menu then. In fact, other than baked potatoes, everything was done on the grill.

Well, it is on the menu now:

http://www.steakandale.com/menus_dinner.html

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (edwmax)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:22:36 GMT

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Originally posted by rjb

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Originally posted by edwmax

Does anyone know how the old Steak & Ale did their Prime Ribs? I think it may have been aged & marinated. My memory may be over rating their Prime Rib, but I thought it was the best around in Atlanta and Birmingham in the mid 70's.

I've googled but haven't found any reference to Steak & Ale's Prime Rib or copy-cat recipes.

Interesting. I worked at a Steak & Ale in Atlanta in the early 70's and don't recall they had prime rib on the menu then. In fact, other than baked potatoes, everything was done on the grill.

From about 1976 to 1980 they did, because it was all I ordered. Prime Rib (rare); bake potato, Mushrooms, and salad bar. The downtown Atlanta Steak & Ale near the Marriott, Marietta at 41 & 285 and the one in Birmingham all had Prime Rib.

The only time I ate at the downtown Atlanta Steak & Ale was in 1977.My order was severed, in the low light it look great and nice & rare. But when I took a bite it tasted well done and the second bite was the same. When I forked the steak to lift it, a top layer came off. The cook had plated a well done steak and put a vary thin rare slice on top. I call the waitress & manager. I never went back to that one and I never had a problem with any other Steak & Ale.

Rjb ….Do you know how the mushrooms were cooked. I think maybe they were cook in beefstock with onions or onion soup with a little wine? Anyway that’s how I sometime do mushrooms at home.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Russ Jackson)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:49:12 GMT

I cooked a 6.5 lb Prime Rib on christmas. I rubbed it down prior with 2 heads of roasted garlic in olive oil and a little raw sugar. I mixed the paste with a rub of onion powder,whole cracked pepper,1/2 of a dried poblano ground,dried jalapeno,kosker salt,and some crushed red pepper,all spices from penzeys. in a 500 degree oven for 15 minutes then to 325 until it reached 120 degrees then let it sit for 20 minutes or longer the internal temp rose to 133 when I cut it just like http://whatscookingamerica.net/Beef/ClassicPrimeRib.htm says.Cooking your meat higher than 120 internally is putting you in danger of destroying a very expensive piece of meat. Remember the 2 ends are going to be medium to medium well while the center will be medium rare. And you could always heat up slices in a cast iron skillet for those who like to kill there meat. Heck hand them a bottle of ketchup to fininh it off. .....Russ

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (rjb)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:46:22 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by edwmax

Does anyone know how the old Steak & Ale did their Prime Ribs? I think it may have been aged & marinated. My memory may be over rating their Prime Rib, but I thought it was the best around in Atlanta and Birmingham in the mid 70's.

I've googled but haven't found any reference to Steak & Ale's Prime Rib or copy-cat recipes.

Interesting. I worked at a Steak & Ale in Atlanta in the early 70's and don't recall they had prime rib on the menu then. In fact, other than baked potatoes, everything was done on the grill.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (edwmax)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:22:37 GMT

Does anyone know how the old Steak & Ale did their Prime Ribs? I think it may have been aged & marinated. My memory may be over rating their Prime Rib, but I thought it was the best around in Atlanta and Birmingham in the mid 70's.

I've googled but haven't found any reference to Steak & Ale's Prime Rib or copy-cat recipes.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (porkbeaks)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:30:03 GMT

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Originally posted by Wendy1987

On this 500 degree, close the door and turn the oven off method for cooking prime rib, aabout how many minutes to the pound does it take, and does this work for boneless as well as bone in roast?

From cooks.com:

Multiply the weight of the meat times 5. This will give you the amount of time to leave it in the oven at 500 degrees.

Example: 5 lbs. times 5 equals 25 minutes. Ovens may vary. 5 times the weight gives me medium to medium rare. For medium rare to rare I multiply the weight of the meat by 4.8.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Wendy1987)

Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:08:37 GMT

On this 500 degree, close the door and turn the oven off method for cooking prime rib, aabout how many minutes to the pound does it take, and does this work for boneless as well as bone in roast?

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Foodbme)

Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:39:30 GMT

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Originally posted by BTB

Well, I'm sure all the various methods of cooking prime rib (or rib roast) mentioned above all work well for each of the poster, but I have to say that I've never had a great or very good prime rib anytime when I've cooked it throughout the cooking period at a constant 325 degrees or higher. If that worked for some, that's fine, but I've found the results to generally be very mediocre, at least for me.

Most of the great prime rib restaurants that I've gone to virtually ALL cook prime rib using slow cook methods, of which there are many, and which generally results in a more tender piece of cooked meat. Some of these methods were mentioned above. Putting the prime rib in a very hot oven, say 400 to 500 degrees, and then shutting off the oven either right away or within a short period of time, leaving the roast to slowly cook in a completely closed oven for many hours (do not open the door), is a great, great way to cook prime rib (always use the type of meat thermometer mentioned above -- the kind that Alton Brown uses or as someone above mentioned " . . . a digital probe thermometer . . . the kind that the probe stays in the meat while cooking and there's a wire leading to the temperature readout gizmo."). Afterwards, some put the oven back on low for a little while just before taking the roast out. Alton Brown's method (minus the clay pot) mentioned by some above whereby the roast is cooked at a low 225 degrees (or even lower) and then blasting it at a high temperature at the end for a few minutes is another super way of making a very good prime rib meal. It's worked for me many times.

Let me tell you about a new way (for me) that I "experimented" with last night for the first time. I had bought a 7.5 lb boneless rib roast from Sam's and cut off a small 3 lb piece to cook for just my wife and myself (vacuum sealed and froze the remainder to a time when our "kids" come over). I warmed up our gas grill using just the one burner on the left side and leaving the other burner on the right side turned off. I put a sea salt, pepper, Essence, and steak seasoning rub all over after letting it get to room temperature, inserted my handy dandy probe wired to the "temperature readout gizmo," put the roast upright on the right side of the grill with the readout gizmo on the grill's side table, closed the cover and put the burner on the left side at the lowest heat setting possible. My grill doesn't have a temperature gauge, but it's not needed because of the thermometer that I used. I cooked the roast to an internal temperature of 145 degrees (which took only about 95 minutes since it was such a small piece), opening the cover only a couple times to turn the roast towards the heated side on the left, took it off the grill and let it rest for about 10 minutes. The outside was nicely browned, the little bit of fat on top was nicely crisp, and the inside after carving was a beautiful pink throughout. Best of all, it was so tender, tasty and soft that it melted in our mouths. With a hot baked potato and a few other sides, we had a very nice meal indeed.

Makes Sense! I've always had good success with Hi heat cooking but I think I'll try low & slow. We cook ribs, brisket etc low & slow to get them good and tender-----why not other cuts of meat???
As David Letterman says"Know your cuts of meat"!

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (BTB)

Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:20:04 GMT

Well, I'm sure all the various methods of cooking prime rib (or rib roast) mentioned above all work well for each of the poster, but I have to say that I've never had a great or very good prime rib anytime when I've cooked it throughout the cooking period at a constant 325 degrees or higher. If that worked for some, that's fine, but I've found the results to generally be very mediocre, at least for me.

Most of the great prime rib restaurants that I've gone to virtually ALL cook prime rib using slow cook methods, of which there are many, and which generally results in a more tender piece of cooked meat. Some of these methods were mentioned above. Putting the prime rib in a very hot oven, say 400 to 500 degrees, and then shutting off the oven either right away or within a short period of time, leaving the roast to slowly cook in a completely closed oven for many hours (do not open the door), is a great, great way to cook prime rib (always use the type of meat thermometer mentioned above -- the kind that Alton Brown uses or as someone above mentioned " . . . a digital probe thermometer . . . the kind that the probe stays in the meat while cooking and there's a wire leading to the temperature readout gizmo."). Afterwards, some put the oven back on low for a little while just before taking the roast out. Alton Brown's method (minus the clay pot) mentioned by some above whereby the roast is cooked at a low 225 degrees (or even lower) and then blasting it at a high temperature at the end for a few minutes is another super way of making a very good prime rib meal. It's worked for me many times.

Let me tell you about a new way (for me) that I "experimented" with last night for the first time. I had bought a 7.5 lb boneless rib roast from Sam's and cut off a small 3 lb piece to cook for just my wife and myself (vacuum sealed and froze the remainder to a time when our "kids" come over). I warmed up our gas grill using just the one burner on the left side and leaving the other burner on the right side turned off. I put a sea salt, pepper, Essence, and steak seasoning rub all over after letting it get to room temperature, inserted my handy dandy probe wired to the "temperature readout gizmo," put the roast upright on the right side of the grill with the readout gizmo on the grill's side table, closed the cover and put the burner on the left side at the lowest heat setting possible. My grill doesn't have a temperature gauge, but it's not needed because of the thermometer that I used. I cooked the roast to an internal temperature of 145 degrees (which took only about 95 minutes since it was such a small piece), opening the cover only a couple times to turn the roast towards the heated side on the left, took it off the grill and let it rest for about 10 minutes. The outside was nicely browned, the little bit of fat on top was nicely crisp, and the inside after carving was a beautiful pink throughout. Best of all, it was so tender, tasty and soft that it melted in our mouths. With a hot baked potato and a few other sides, we had a very nice meal indeed.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Mosca)

Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:08:41 GMT

I've used Tanyth Tyrr's recipe for years. 250* and a good electric meat thermometer, plan on waiting for it. The only variance I have is that I let the meat in for longer than suggested; internal 120 is still mighty rare. 135 is more like it for me, and I like my meat medium rare.

http://members.tripod.com/~BayGourmet/primerib.html

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (ScreamingChicken)

Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:46:10 GMT

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Originally posted by SurrealGourmet
what is the purpose of cutting the meat off the bone and tying it back on?

If the bones are separated from meat prior to cooking it's a great place for the cook to add the seasonings of his or her choice. And I personally have found it easier to do the separation when the beef's raw, in those cases where I'm going to be cutting thinner boneless slices instead of big slabs of meat with the ribs still attached.

Brad

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (sk bob)

Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:46:50 GMT

kosher salt, fresh ground peper, minced garlic rubbed into the cap, cook to 120 onthe instaread. let stand for 15mins.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Foodbme)

Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:12:24 GMT

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Originally posted by SurrealGourmet

Mmmmmmm...prime rib rocks!! I just bought one that I will be doing for my wife's birthday next week. Instead of the usual oven method I will be smoking it in my offset smoker!! I have a question though....I never have done it but will this time....what is the purpose of cutting the meat off the bone and tying it back on?

The only reason I know of is that its easier to slice when it's done. I leave mine on the bone because I think you loose more juice if it's off the bone and if you are going to Rotis it, I would definitely leave it on the bone

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (SurrealGourmet)

Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:54:18 GMT

Mmmmmmm...prime rib rocks!! I just bought one that I will be doing for my wife's birthday next week. Instead of the usual oven method I will be smoking it in my offset smoker!! I have a question though....I never have done it but will this time....what is the purpose of cutting the meat off the bone and tying it back on?

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (ann peeples)

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:22:03 GMT

Theedge-absolutely right!!!!!!!!!!!!

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Theedge)

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 20:01:40 GMT

I always marinade my prime rib over night in a mixture of Lawry's salt and worcestershire. I put the roast in a 500 degree oven, and turn the oven off as soon as I put the roast in. The key to this method is to NEVER EVER open the door until the roast is at the desired tempature.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Foodbme)

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:18:58 GMT

P. S. You can use the drippings from the roast instead of the Clarified butter for more flavor. I use the butter when I make it to go with other meats.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Foodbme)

Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:16:26 GMT

Yorkshire Pudding has been mentioned several times. Rib Roast without Yorkshire Pudding is like a day without sunshine. The secret to having Yorkshire Pudding rise is to have all your ingredients at ROOM TEMP before you make the batter and use a Blender to mix it. Make the batter well in advance and let it rest. Pour melted CLARIFIED Butter in your muffin pans and put the pans in a hot oven before you add the batter. These little tricks learned after years of trial & error. Follow these suggestions and you'll have Yorkshire Pudding treats bigger than Basketballs!

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Jaybomb)

Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:37:50 GMT

Third vouch for Alton Brown's dry and fry type recipe.

You should really check out Alton Brown or at the very least Food Network for your recipe needs. I think Emeril is a douche, but his recipes can be practical and handy.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (CasperImproved)

Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:48:25 GMT

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Originally posted by CasperImproved

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Originally posted by Sundancer7

I wish we had a good prime rib place in Knoxville. I would make my own except I am afraid I would screw up a $80.00 piece of meat.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Paul - Don't slight yourself here... Prime rib is one of the easiest roasts to come out perfect every time.

I sit it out on the counter at least an hour as the closer to room temp on the outside, the more even the temp when it comes out.

I stud (making slits with a paring knife) with pieces of garlic cloves, rub it down with fresh cracked pepper, sea salt, and olive olive. Place it in in oven on a roasting rack/pan in a pre-heated to 450F for about an half/hour, then turn it down to 350F until the roast reaches an internal temp of 130F. Let it rest for a minimum of 15 minutes.... perfection as long as your sides are good. I prefer mashed taters in some form, some form of green beans, and a salad.

Casper

I forgot to mention to slice the meat off of the rib bones, and retain for the chef

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (CasperImproved)

Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:46:57 GMT

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Originally posted by Sundancer7

I wish we had a good prime rib place in Knoxville. I would make my own except I am afraid I would screw up a $80.00 piece of meat.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Paul - Don't slight yourself here... Prime rib is one of the easiest roasts to come out perfect every time.

I sit it out on the counter at least an hour as the closer to room temp on the outside, the more even the temp when it comes out.

I stud (making slits with a paring knife) with pieces of garlic cloves, rub it down with fresh cracked pepper, sea salt, and olive olive. Place it in in oven on a roasting rack/pan in a pre-heated to 450F for about an half/hour, then turn it down to 350F until the roast reaches an internal temp of 130F. Let it rest for a minimum of 15 minutes.... perfection as long as your sides are good. I prefer mashed taters in some form, some form of green beans, and a salad.

Casper

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Twinwillow)

Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:34:48 GMT

All of the above tips will work. I do pretty much the same except I have my butcher cut the ribs off the roast and then tie them back on. I like the "2nd" cut
because it has some of the outside ring of meat that I find sooooooo tasty as well as the "eye" without the outside fatty meat aformentioned. I leave all the outside fat on to self baste the roast. Then season with nothing more than kosher salt and fresh ground pepper. I set my remote thermometer to 120 degrees and remove from oven when it reaches that temp. I start with a 500 degree oven and turn it down to 350 after 15 minutes in the oven. Fat side up of course. After you reach 120 degrees, remove and cover with foil and let rest for 30 minutes. Slice VERY THIN slices! The meat is so much more tender that way than trying to chew on a "caveman" sized slice.
Works like a charm-everytime!

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Big_g)

Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:15:29 GMT

I used to cook them 12 at a time. And it was very similar to Altons way.... We had and and electric oven from Alto Sham that would hold a temp 1 degree plus or minus over a 24 hour period. I had a calculation based on the weight and would cook the roasts at 250 for X long and then the temp would drop to 160 and hold until we stopped it. It gave us an end to end rare roast, so if you wanted a rare end cut....TADA...you got it....if you wanted it well done....we would drop the slice into a pot of Au Jus to color it up. I would weigh out the roasts the night before I was going to cook them so that I could set up my time, then first thing the next morning the bakers would turn on the oven for me. I would have the roasts in and working by 7 a.m. They would be done before noon and then hold until supper. You could eat that beef with a spoon, it was so tender. That long hold time allowed the conective tissue to break down and the flavor to just seem throughout the roast.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (RibDog)

Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:07:40 GMT

I used to think the same thing Paul but it is easier than you think. Make it in your smoker. That is where I cook mine all the time now and everyone loves it.

John

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (Sundancer7)

Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:17:51 GMT

I wish we had a good prime rib place in Knoxville. I would make my own except I am afraid I would screw up a $80.00 piece of meat.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (tigerborn)

Thu, 07 Sep 2006 00:26:01 GMT

If you are going to San Francisco soon, check out the House of Prime Rib. It's a Lawry's Prime Rib knockoff but damn good. They serve 4 different cuts of juicy prime rib tableside with Yorkshire pudding, creamed spinach and your choice of mashed or baked potato on the side. They also have a spinning salad bowl where the waiters pour salad dressing in the spinning salad bowl. The salad bowl spins on a bed of ice. Totally kitschy comfort food that is definitely worth the calories, wait and money.

RE: Prime Rib Guidance Needed (pigface)

Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:18:32 GMT

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Originally posted by Oneiron339

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Originally posted by Pigiron

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Originally posted by Oneiron339

Ditto on Alton Brown's aging and roasting method. I tried it last X-mas and it came out wonderful.

I have yet to come across an Alton Brown recipe or technique that wasn't damn near perfection. The guy is top notch. You gotta make his skillet fried-chicken. Yowza!

And also his fish and chips recipe is super!

Yea, Yup And yes