Mexican food in Frisco

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (spicoli)

Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:18:25 GMT

I think Burritos are more of a representation of San Francisco cuisine than any authentic Mexican cooking. Nost of our culinary culture is based on that anyhow, adapting other traditions to our own tastes to end up with a real American product.

I'd always thought that the more seemingly authentic places in small agricultural towns in the Central, Coastal Valleys (populated almost entirely with Mexican immigrants) had blander food, but who knows? Maybe they just changed the dishes accordingly in light of my complexion.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (uncledaveyo)

Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:53:47 GMT

Enchiladas Verdes At Juan's Place - yum. The mole poblano one's are good also. And authentic or not, the flour tortilla chips dipped into either the delicious red or green salsas at each table are an excellent foil for a cold Negro Modelo.

I agree with the take on the specials - they seem universally mediocre.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:29:20 GMT

Come to think of it, I'm going to start a gyro thread under "sandwiches".

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:27:52 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by bill voss

The thing I miss most in our little valley here in Southern Oregon is a real gyros place/ Greek cafe. If any enterprising guys or gals want to go west, we're waiting with mouths watering.

Next time you're in the Bay Area, then, I suggest you try Gyro King on Fell near Market (across the street from the main library). It is run by a family of Turks (not Greeks). Papa mans the cash registers, the younger men cook and make the sandwiches etc. and the women wait on the tables. Truth be told, the gyros are good but not the best things on the menu. The best things, in my opinion, are all the Turkish pastries (pizza-like things and so on) they bake fresh every day. Anyway, it's all yummy and the place is suitably crowded at lunchtime with office workers from City Hall, the Federal and state office buildings, all nearby. I usually go before 11:30 or after 1:00 if I can. They don't open at dinner time.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (ItzOmi)

Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:21:46 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by tiki

I wondered the same thing actually--i know in the 60,s through the 80.s the term "Frisco" pegged you right away as NOT from Northern Calif---as a matter of fact it made you suspect of being one of those nasty from people from that evil empire that seperateed "Us" from Mexico--sorry to our Southern Calif roadfooders--no offence meant--its not your fault you where born there!

It is still an offensive term. I can't believe any self-respecting San Franciscan would say the "F" word!

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (1bbqboy)

Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:48:55 GMT

the Greek festival in KC is one big wing ding. I loved going each year. The thing I miss most in our little valley here in Southern Oregon is a real gyros place/ Greek cafe. If any enterprising guys or gals want to go west, we're waiting with mouths watering.
As far as the Mission, it's so multi-ethnic, that the idea of all the eateries being "authentic" is kind of humorous. California really is a world apart.The mixture of eveyone is what gives that neighborhood vitality.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (santacruz)

Wed, 21 Jul 2004 12:20:06 GMT

Thanks BT, there is also a very good Greek Orthodox one in Belmont Ca. One of the best meals I have ever had was at the Greek Orthodox church in Kansas City Mo. My daughter is Orthodox and we went to Easter service. After the service, Oh the lemon soup, roasted lamb,roasted potatoes, deserts, coffee these were fantastic.
Also Armenian Othodox bazaars and festivals.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:27:08 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by axvawe

Also here in the bay area the church suppers are a diverse smorgasbord of different Mexican,Central and South American plus Asian,African and European Cuisines. These are great places to find nice people and excellent home cooked food.

As a former New Englander/Kansan, just give me the great diverse California foods.

Then, when it comes to church suppers, don't ignore GREEK. That Greek Orthodox church on Valencia has a Greek food festival one weekend a year that's fab and I think there's a similar event at a Greek Orthodox church in Oakland.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:23:27 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by axvawe

Haveing worked in the Mission District of S.F. for over 4 years, I have found that there is a big difference in the quality of different vendors.

Usually most are average to above average in taste, but there is one at Mission and 24th st. Taqueria San Jose. They have some of the best Carne Asada and El Pastor I have ever tasted. Chavez's is also very good.

The only Mexican food I found better for me was in Oaxaca. Also here in the bay area the church suppers are a diverse smorgasbord of different Mexican,Central and South American plus Asian,African and European Cuisines. These are great places to find nice people and excellent home cooked food.

As a former New Englander/Kansan, just give me the great diverse California foods.

The food guy from the Bay Guardian always claimed the best "El Pastor" came from Tacqueria Can-Cun (the one in the Mission, NOT the one on Market St.).

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (santacruz)

Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:05:01 GMT

Haveing worked in the Mission District of S.F. for over 4 years, I have found that there is a big difference in the quality of different vendors.

Usually most are average to above average in taste, but there is one at Mission and 24th st. Taqueria San Jose. They have some of the best Carne Asada and El Pastor I have ever tasted. Chavez's is also very good.

The only Mexican food I found better for me was in Oaxaca. Also here in the bay area the church suppers are a diverse smorgasbord of different Mexican,Central and South American plus Asian,African and European Cuisines. These are great places to find nice people and excellent home cooked food.

As a former New Englander/Kansan, just give me the great diverse California foods.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (Rick F.)

Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:23:39 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by BT

Well, gosh, on behalf of those born elsewhere, we're really, really, sorry. Mmmm-kay?

No, no, no. You may well be regretful, or in rare cases even regrettable. But not all of you are sorry as well!

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (1bbqboy)

Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:50:32 GMT

you know, it's interesting here on Roadfood to see these threads last
a year or more. I noticed that remark of mine when you revived this thread, BT. I was used to participating in forums where the banter was lively and pretty acidic, but gone the next day. I hope I'm a kinder and gentler Bill Voss now than when I first started posting on these forums, for you're never quite sure when some offhand comment will come to bite you in the butt. Over the course of a year I feel I've gotten to know most of the people posting through the thoughts, ideas, and experiences related.It's friendly and gentle most of the time-
(R.I.P. Clothier), and I actually thought about deleting that smart ass remark, but it was already embedded in other's posts. That said, I did have an ancestor who came west to the Gold Rush. We have a tremendous letter describing what he was experiencing, and he eventually chose to return to Missouri. I love California because it's continually evolving and proclaiming a new identity in a way that other states can't, and don't want to; Kansas and Missouri, where I grew up, for a vivid example. I grew up right next to the Santa Fe and Oregon trails and always wanted to go west, young man. So now I've ended up here in Southern Oregon, but Roadfood is a connecting point for the sum of all those experiences... I promise I'll just visit every once in a while, Susan. My guess is, the continual flow of people seeking their fortune in the Golden State has brought a lot of good things that you enjoy too. I had a great discussion last year with our grade school's Spanish
Teacher after that first exchange with Richard, for our teacher is actually from South America. Very enlightening to a suburban midwestern boy like me. Bill

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:03:10 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Chef Susan

quote:
Originally posted by bill voss

thin ice alert! thin ice alert! uh rick....those of us in the OTHER 48 states blame California for ALMOST everything. The stuff we don't blame on Ca., well, I'm afraid that everything else IS New York's fault. Sure, I know there's a few of you out there that just had the misfortune to be neighbors of the trumps, but we don't have time to sort 'em all out. Basically, EVERYTHING is either california's of new york's fault. Sincerely, bill, in no-fault oregon

Funny thing...Those of us born and raised here in CA and are multiple generation Californians, we blame everything on those folks that came from another state!!!

Well, gosh, on behalf of those born elsewhere, we're really, really, sorry. Mmmm-kay?

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (Chef Susan)

Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:56:24 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by bill voss

thin ice alert! thin ice alert! uh rick....those of us in the OTHER 48 states blame California for ALMOST everything. The stuff we don't blame on Ca., well, I'm afraid that everything else IS New York's fault. Sure, I know there's a few of you out there that just had the misfortune to be neighbors of the trumps, but we don't have time to sort 'em all out. Basically, EVERYTHING is either california's of new york's fault. Sincerely, bill, in no-fault oregon

Funny thing...Those of us born and raised here in CA and are multiple generation Californians, we blame everything on those folks that came from another state!!!

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:22:51 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Brooks Alba
This is the epitome of absurdist humor to my relatives when they come to visit here: to see "Mission-style" burritos being marketed outside of California as the 'logical' extension of a quasi-Mexican foodstuff made by non-Mexicans for other non-Mexicans in our ostensible 'taquerias' of San Francisco. (For me, it goes one additional step: actual Mexicans trying out the offerings at Taco Bell, with or without its "Run For The Border" campaign... [but only because there's ANY connection at all between 'Mexican' and 'Taco Bell'])

Buen provecho,
Richard
San Francisco/SF, CA

LOL! I divide my time between SF and southern Arizona (about 30 miles north of the border at Nogales). I have always been astounded by the site of Mexicans--actual Mexicans, not Mexican-Americans--eating at Taco Bell when there is a perfectly respectable outlet of a local "Mexican" fast food chain called Rigoberto's, that serves much better food, just across the street. In fact, I have trouble understanding why anyone eats at that particular Taco Bell (other than the fact that it's only steps from the door of the local cineplex and you actually have to cross a busy road to Rigoberto's).

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:15:44 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Brooks Alba

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<div style="border: 1px #999999 solid; background-color: #DCDCDC; padding: 4px;">This is the epitome of absurdist humor to my relatives when they come to visit here: to see "Mission-style" burritos being marketed outside of California as the 'logical' extension of a quasi-Mexican foodstuff made by non-Mexicans for other non-Mexicans in our ostensible 'taquerias' of San Francisco. (For me, it goes one additional step: actual Mexicans trying out the offerings at Taco Bell, with or without its "Run For The Border" campaign... [but only because there's ANY connection at all between 'Mexican' and 'Taco Bell'])

Buen provecho,
Richard
San Francisco/SF, CA

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:10:19 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by tiki

I wondered the same thing actually--i know in the 60,s through the 80.s the term "Frisco" pegged you right away as NOT from Northern Calif---as a matter of fact it made you suspect of being one of those nasty from people from that evil empire that seperateed "Us" from Mexico--sorry to our Southern Calif roadfooders--no offence meant--its not your fault you where born there!

Here's a hint on how to tell "us" from "those nasty people from that evil empire". Ask 'em the best way to drive to LA. If they say "take THE 5", they are nasty. If they say "Take 5" they are homies. Got it?

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:59:12 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by bill voss

BT, I think you are exactly correct. I always loved La Cumbre cuz it was tasty and not what I grew up with, but the Mission has always been a Latino melting pot, and now has changed in the 21 years I've been going there. It's not good or bad, just an American expression of the influences these groups have experienced, and the experiences they have added. As a native midwesterner, plunging into California has always been something different and unique for me. No matter which ethnic group you're talking about, the influence of California on the folks who have come there is at least as great as where they came from. That's not true of a lot of other places where groups of people have moved. The sheer agricultural bounty available year round just inspires something new. I'm not sure people even know they're taken over by it, but it happens.

You're right, of course. My favorite example, though it may be off topic, was a place that used to be on Stanyan that claimed to serve "Memphis Style BBQ"--but they made their cole slaw (having lived in NC I ALWAYS put slaw on my BBQ pork sandwich) with RED cabbage. Never saw RED cabbage in Dixie.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (1bbqboy)

Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:15:44 GMT

BT, I think you are exactly correct. I always loved La Cumbre cuz it was tasty and not what I grew up with, but the Mission has always been a Latino melting pot, and now has changed in the 21 years I've been going there. It's not good or bad, just an American expression of the influences these groups have experienced, and the experiences they have added. As a native midwesterner, plunging into California has always been something different and unique for me. No matter which ethnic group you're talking about, the influence of California on the folks who have come there is at least as great as where they came from. That's not true of a lot of other places where groups of people have moved. The sheer agricultural bounty available year round just inspires something new. I'm not sure people even know they're taken over by it, but it happens.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (BT)

Mon, 05 Jul 2004 18:54:22 GMT

quote:

I actually think that recent Mexican immigrants can still make it to big cities - including San Francisco - but the difference is in the competition for resources. If a city has a strong web of suburbs, but a decaying core, I could see an urban renaissance of development with immigrants having the opportunity to build a solid middle-class. In San Francisco, the competition for housing is fierce, so established Mexican American families have moved down the peninsula or over the hills into Contra Costa or San Joaquin county, where their house-buying dollar goes further. What they left behind was not only a still-ravenous market for "Mexican" food, but also the restraints of that market - that is, if they can start fresh out in the valley [or wherever], they can break free from the same ol' burritos & nachos grind....
Hasta pronto,
Richard
San Francisco/SF, CA

There are rare examples of fairly authentic Mexican food in SF. Unfortunately, my favorite spot, Casa Aguilla on Noreiga, has closed. I despair.

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with Richard. The food called Mexican in SF is different--often blander--than that closer to the border, say in southern California and I have attributed that to the fact that the cooks are often Salvadorean, Honduran--anyway, not actually Mexican.

But still, I want to speak up for the Mission-style taqueria. Elsewhere, someone here mentioned La Cumbre as an example and I had to chuckle because actually, La Cumbre may be the closest to "real" Mexican and least "Californicated"--hence, most atypical--burrito parlor in town. But the others, say "Can-Cun" or El Toro or any of many others, serve something that, while not in any sense Mexican, is delicious IMHO. And besides, generations of youthful newcomers to SF have lived on them and that is a social good I think.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (hongry dawg)

Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:40:42 GMT

I know I'm jumping on this thread a little late, but for anyone in the Bay Area, check out a little place over in Oakland on E.14th (International) near 10th St. call "Jalisco". The sign has a cartoon pig similar to Porky pig on it. Pretty much the only thing offered here is pig in various forms. There's a counter with a glass front displaying the various "cuts" offered from carnitas (lean or fatty), pig skin (buche), ears & tails, etc. I think they are only open Friday, Saturday & Sunday, but if you are in the area, well worth a stop. For the non-Spanish speaking, the staff is really friendly, even though not much english is spoken, so pointing and nodding will work just fine.
Also, tons of taco trucks up and down East 14th serving up cabeza, lengua, sesos as well as al pastor and carne asada. You can also find a variety of seafood trucks there too.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (capnhank)

Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:18:51 GMT

Yes, that's very bad news. It's been well over a decade, so they must have fallen into a state of disrepair since last I visited (or, more likely, changed ownership).
Ribs?!! Juan's was never the sort of place to serve ribs, as far as I can recall. If I want ribs in Berkeley, I'll go to Flint's or E&J. Juan's was better known for tiki's tamales and the wet burritos of my youth. Something is rotten in Berkeley, to be sure. I drove past what used to be Nadine's on Thanksgiving, only to discover that it is a salvage yard.
I guess I should just stay here in the South Bay for Mexican food. There's a little market around the corner on 13th St that makes an excellent chile relleno and a place in Morgan Hill that makes about the finest tamales around. Too bad about Juan's. Looks like Berkeley is better for Indian food nowadays. Or Top Dog. There's always Top Dog! Oh, wait, they're opening one next to SJSU in another month. I guess I'll just stay here.

Also, Richard, thanks for the detailed cultural anthropology lesson. I didn't realize that Caen was from Sacramento. However, as a fourth generation Bay Area resident (my great grandfather was working at SF General Hospital during the 1906 Earthquake) I can attest to the locals' distaste for the term "Frisco". Maybe it's insecurity or, more likely, self-righteous indignation ("Only a tourist would call it 'Frisco'! Hmmph!"), but the older citizenry love to peer over their pince-nez at the late arrivals and bemoan their uncouth use of "Frisco". Hmmm... I wonder what my elitist grandmother would think of "San Pancho".
Oh, don't think for a minute that the irony of this elitism is lost on me. As your last post implies, you are well aware of San Francisco's history and know that her founding fathers (if you will) were anything but elite. However, I guess a couple of generations on Nob Hill will make all the diference in the world, eh?

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (tiki)

Thu, 04 Dec 2003 07:40:29 GMT

Well thats dissapointing--it was once a neat place and i dont ever remember any ribs on the menu--wonder if the tamales are just a memory? Thanks Richard---even it it was a dissapointment.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (Richard Brooks Alba)

Wed, 03 Dec 2003 14:01:00 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by tiki

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Brooks Alba

Here you go:

Juan's Place
941 Carleton St
Berkeley, CA 94710-2636
Phone: (510) 845-6904

I hadn't heard of it, but I'll try to drop by for a visit/review!

Buen provecho,
Richard
Berkeley/SF, CA

Wonderful!---looking for ward to it!

Tiki, et al.,
Went to Juan's & here's my 2 cents: on a scale of 1 [run for your life] to 10 [MY last meal on death row would be catered by this place], I'd give Juan's a 3. And that's only because the staff was so personable.

I made the mistake of ordering one of the nightly specials - ribs. I was fully anticipating Mexican-style braised ribs in a savory sauce - something that had been properly cooked for a long time. To my consternation and disappointment, I was brought a plate full of bbq-styled ribs, plainly boiled, and finished in a tinny-tasting sauce. (Now, when was last time any of you got a tinny barbecue sauce?). I ate 'em because I was hungry...and because I half hoped that there would be some smidgen of savory-tasting meat somewhere on them bones. The rice was decent, the beans like lead, and the salsa? Not exactly a character-filled concoction - sorta like salsa-flavored tomato sauce. This meal would have been sad even in some chain joint like Chevy's or Carlos Murphy's or any of those other franchises that are dream-based and not cuisine-based.

I looked at the other dishes being served up, and none of them captured my fancy - if I should ever go back, it would only be for research's sake: just to verify that I didn't get some statistical glitch of a meal, and perhaps find out that the other stuff is better than it looks.

I feel less bad about the food in the Mission* - for what that's worth....
Sorry,
Richard
Berkeley/SF, CA

* we've had a number of Yucatecan places open up with the recent wave of Mayas arriving in the City, and I even scored some fine 'panuchos' [like a tostada made with a delicate bean-filled tortilla] in a coffee shop just yesterday.

P.S. I'm not sure what to make of the confusion between the pro- and anti- 'Frisco' factions...there seems to be a fundamental problem of understanding history and the importance of location to naming conventions. Here are some reminders:
- San Francisco has been called 'Frisco' for over 150 years now - the name isn't going away.
- San Franciscans, whether locally born or 'adopted' sons & daughters, have been insecure about their city's reputation for nearly as long.
- Herb Caen [the late 'local' columnist & bon vivant], the leading voice against calling this burg 'Frisco,' was from Sacramento.
- No one who lives in San Francisco generally tells anyone outside the region that they live in 'the City' - but that's [generally] what they tell others here in the region [and, logically following that practice, South San Francisco is known, locally, as 'South City'].
- Because of their insecurity (and/or their inability to cope with multiple names for the same place), the not-necessarily-newly-arrived have dutifully followed, and repeated, the admonishment of civic booster Citizen Caen to not call it 'Frisco' as proof of their being locals in this city - a city that would boot out those critical ones who would disagree with the sentiment that this is the best city in the country/world/universe.
- an additional tweek: Spanish-speaking locals often call this place 'San Pancho'....

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (1bbqboy)

Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:02:59 GMT

is it the pasties? or ted nugent? hmmmmmm....

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (Pwingsx)

Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:54:02 GMT

In Colorado, we blame everything on:

California
New York
Texas

and believe it or not:

Michigan

love, Pwingsx

Oh, ahem, not ME personally......bwahahahah...

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (Rick F.)

Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:49:33 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by bill voss

thin ice alert! thin ice alert! uh rick....those of us in the OTHER 48 states blame California for ALMOST everything. The stuff we don't blame on Ca., well, I'm afraid that everything else IS New York's fault. Sure, I know there's a few of you out there that just had the misfortune to be neighbors of the trumps, but we don't have time to sort 'em all out. Basically, EVERYTHING is either california's of new york's fault. Sincerely, bill, in no-fault oregon

Bill, I left CA in '66 and nver looked back! But now I live in LA, the state that gives almost everybody except AR and MS somebody to feel superior to.

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (1bbqboy)

Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:46:27 GMT

thin ice alert! thin ice alert! uh rick....those of us in the OTHER 48 states blame California for ALMOST everything. The stuff we don't blame on Ca., well, I'm afraid that everything else IS New York's fault. Sure, I know there's a few of you out there that just had the misfortune to be neighbors of the trumps, but we don't have time to sort 'em all out. Basically, EVERYTHING is either california's of new york's fault. Sincerely, bill, in no-fault oregon

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (Rick F.)

Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:31:49 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by tiki
. . . that evil empire that seperateed "Us" from Mexico--sorry to our Southern Calif roadfooders--no offence meant--its not your fault you where born there!

Ahem. Is it possible to offend those who live beyond the pale? Besides, it is too their fault! Everything is their fault! (Pardon me: I get a bit testy when reminded of those. . . persons.)

RE: Mexican food in Frisco (capnhank)

Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:12:31 GMT

I grew up in Berkeley and no locals ever called SF "Frisco". That was a cardinal sin. San Francisco was "The City" and downtown Berkeley was "Downtown". Period. However, the Internet explosion has brought such an influx of non-natives in the last decade that it doesn't surprise me to hear "Frisco" from time to time. It makes me a little sad, but no surprise. Herb Caen would probably never stop projectile vomiting if he could ever stop spinning in his grave.
Juan's Place is excellent, BTW. I used to go there for lunch when I worked in that fine neighborhood. I think they're trying to gentrify West Berkeley lately (like all the other industrial areas in major metropoli), but a few high-rent lofts and a farmer's market won't take the "industrial" out of the area. Speaking of that neighborhood: Does anybody know if Nadine's is still open? It was a super high-class restaurant in a screwed-up looking building at San Pablo and ...(Haste? Channing?). One of the finest meals I've ever eaten in one of the most unexpected places.
Oddly enough, I was just talking about Juan's with a coworker today. We were discussing Berkeley Mexican food and Juan's popped up right alongside La Fiesta, Manuel's Super Burrito, Celia's and La Tolteca (long gone, but top-notch). So many memories!