Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (ptireland)

Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:14:16 GMT

Hebrew Nationals are good, but not as good as Bests Kosher. I'll try more until I find the one I really like.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (Curbside Grill)

Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:28:14 GMT

ptireland

I wrote a letter to Sara Lee describing my disappointment in their decision to no longer carry Bests Kosher and assured them that there were many in the hot dog industry that were also upset. They said they gave up all of their Kosher meats I guess because they weren't making enough money, or they cost too much to make

Have you tried Hebrew National, they answer to a higher authority. There are many Kosher dogs and sausages on the market. Bests was just one brand.
Don't have to buy but brands are out there, Probably more
http://www.kosher.com/store/kosher-delicatessen/kosher-hot-dogs-franks/beef-hot-dogs-and-franks

http://www.kosher.com/store/kosher-delicatessen/kosher-hot-dogs-franks/chicken-and-turkey-franks-and-sausages

http://www.kosher.com/store/kosher-delicatessen/kosher-hot-dogs-franks/chicken-and-turkey-franks-and-sausages

http://www.kosher.com/store/kosher-delicatessen/kosher-hot-dogs-franks/vegetarian-hot-dogs-and-franks

http://kosherkats.com/

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (ptireland)

Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:21:52 GMT

I wrote a letter to Sara Lee describing my disappointment in their decision to no longer carry Bests Kosher and assured them that there were many in the hot dog industry that were also upset. They said they gave up all of their Kosher meats I guess because they weren't making enough money, or they cost too much to make.

Sabretts wants you to order a 1000 pound minimum order with an agreement that makes you keep ordering at certain intervals. I said, "A thousand pounds is a hell of a lot of dogs! They said, as long as I order my condiments and other stuff from them it all counts toward the weight and that adds up quickly.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (RoyalDogs)

Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:54:09 GMT

Built my business with Koshers Best. Now I fluctuate between Hebrew Nationals and Nathans. I don't like Vienna, they have a nice snap but that’s not enough for me to start selling them. We have a vendor center for companies that deal with all food products, but hotdog wise only Vienna. They will even throw in an umbrella if you buy enough lol If I had enough money I would purchase the rights for Best Kosher and bring them back. I find it interesting that most people that have their own free standing building that focus on the sell of hotdogs choose Vienna. I guess I will be the one to break the mold.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (ptireland)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:50:45 GMT

mar52

CajunKing I'm very impressed. Thanks for teaching this Jew something I didn't know.

Reminds me of a SNL skit where they were all singing Christmas Carols and only Elliott Gould knew all of the words to the carols.

Elliott Gould? Dating yourself a bit? Actually I am too since I know him and his body of work pretty well. I still love the M*A*S*H movie.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (ptireland)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:49:34 GMT

AHI MPLS

When I was 17 I was a waitress in a [very!] non-kosher deli, and one day an irate granny yelled at me because we served offered hard salami and CHEESE sandwiches, " You might as well serve me a bacon cheeseburger!!! " she said. I , as a 17 year old Lutheran knew not what she ment!

My answer to her would have been, "You're right a bacon cheeseburger sounds great. There's certainly nothing wrong with those."

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (mar52)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:15:54 GMT

CajunKing I'm very impressed. Thanks for teaching this Jew something I didn't know.

Reminds me of a SNL skit where they were all singing Christmas Carols and only Elliott Gould knew all of the words to the carols.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (AHI MPLS)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:52:24 GMT

When I was 17 I was a waitress in a [very!] non-kosher deli, and one day an irate granny yelled at me because we served offered hard salami and CHEESE sandwiches, " You might as well serve me a bacon cheeseburger!!! " she said. I , as a 17 year old Lutheran knew not what she ment!

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (smokestack lightning)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:28:46 GMT

chicagostyledog

smokestack lightning

The Vienna products are kosher when shipped but of course the preparation makes them not acceptable to those following traditional kosher dietary rules.

Hi CSD Of course you are right. What was I thinking? As a native Chicagoan I should have remembered that! But that Vienna beef sign is sure a welcome sight in places like savannah anyways!

Thanks.

Vienna Beef products are not kosher with the exception of their kosher dill pickles. For information visit:

www.viennabeef.com
Go to: About Us
Go to: Frequently Asked Questions
Go to: Questions # 6 & 7

CSD PhD Professor of Hot Dogs

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (ptireland)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:24:12 GMT

I thought Vienna Beef and Sabretts were Kosher. They're the top 2 dog companies in America. It's disappointing to find out that neither of them are.

The very best dogs I've ever tasted were Bests Kosher dogs, and they went out of business....which SUCKS.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (CajunKing)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:26:58 GMT

Jack,

Bobe Schoenfeld was like an Israeli Drill Instructor, you learned things quickly and correctly..... OR ELSE!
I was there a little over 1 year, during that time I was never hungry.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (chicagostyledog)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:00:04 GMT

smokestack lightning

The Vienna products are kosher when shipped but of course the preparation makes them not acceptable to those following traditional kosher dietary rules.

Vienna Beef products are not kosher with the exception of their kosher dill pickles. For information visit:

www.viennabeef.com
Go to: About Us
Go to: Frequently Asked Questions
Go to: Questions # 6 & 7

CSD PhD Professor of Hot Dogs

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (JudgeMaven)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:55:59 GMT

ptireland

But what if I don't use that part of the grill for pork? The grill is pretty big. If I cook all the Kosher stuff on the far left, and the non-Kosher stuff on the far right, would that be good enough for them to still buy from me?

Maybe they have Kosher versions of brats, and Italian sausages. I have never heard of beef brats or beef Italian sausages though.

Ptireland, I would not purchase a hot dog from your cart, but this does not mean that others will not.

PopsDogHouse: A hot dog isn't pareve unless it is a tofu dog. If a hot dog touches a non-kosher bun the dog technically becomes non-kosher...it isn't just only for touching non-kosher meat and utensils. And if you accidentaly drop a hot dog into a container of ice cream, both the hot dog and ice cream are unable to be consumed according to Jewish law.

CajunKing: You're good!

Twinwillow: Tel-Aviv is a (primarily) secular city. More yarmulka wearers here in Jerusalem.

If an event happened in a Jerusalem restaurant like the one mentioned in the article, the restaurant's kashrut certificates would be stripped and probably would be out of business due to lack of clientel (unless the propieter can bribe the Rabbinate to reinstate/keep the certificates...)

And while this fact is off-topic, there are no kosher-certified McDonalds in Jerusalem, though all the food served there individually is kosher.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (brittneal)

Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:22:17 GMT

JayL, The Morroccan i worked for was hard core orthodox muslim. He even stopped all wor durrring prayer time. did fairly well with him. I had a smattering of orthodox jewish cooking as a kid. My Grandmother who was a Geram immagrant owned a catering bussines in Chicago fprm the 30's til the 60's. It speaks a lot for her that her clientell was prodominatly Jewish. Especially during the war.
I used to argue with muslim that i worked with. He was so strict on everything but was absolutley unfaithful to his american wife. He told me that sex had nothing to do with religion.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (Dr of BBQ)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:52:37 GMT

Cajun King,
Very impressive for a Baptist/Catholic to end up with such knowledge about Jewish Traditions.

You must have paid a lot of attention while working at this place. How long did you work there? How old were you and did you like it?

I can’t imagine the kids I see working at McDonald’s keeping all this straight, especially when they can screw up a burger order in a heartbeat.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (smokestack lightning)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:55:48 GMT

Interesting discussion. For those of you who might find yourself in savannah at some point. Check out Tanners on Broughton. True roadfood. Old time Georgia hot dog place bought by a guy from Chicago who started also selling Vienna beef products. So you can get a Vienna hotdog or Italian beef or Polish from one grill or a small red pork based hot dog ( frequently deep fried at the customer's requests) at another. The staff is sometimes confused as a result. Took me a while to explain that I didnt want my Italian beef with cheese or fried or....

The Vienna products are kosher when shipped but of course the preparation makes them not acceptable to those following traditional kosher dietary rules. By the way, the owner of tanners also owned Clarys before selling the two retaurants to an employee and they are very good roadfood breakfast choices.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (CajunKing)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:46:26 GMT

The restrictions on grape products derive from the laws against using products of idolatry.

Wine was commonly used in the rituals of all ancient religions, and wine was routinely sanctified for pagan purposes while it was being processed. For this reason, use of wines and other grape products made by non-Jews was prohibited.

(Whole grapes are not a problem, nor are whole grapes in fruit cocktail).
For the most part, this rule only affects wine and grape juice.

This becomes a concern with many fruit drinks or fruit-flavored drinks, which are often sweetened with grape juice.

You may also notice that it is virtually impossible to find kosher baking powder, because baking powder is made with cream of tartar, a by-product of wine making.

Wine is the only liquid that has it's own blesssing
"Blessed is God_who has created the fruit of the vine."

Wine is often drank for the sabbath meal (friday eve & Sat lunch)
and during the passover Seder and several other times during the year, each with its own blessing of the wine or wine and food.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (PopsDogHouse)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:25:00 GMT

mar52

No grapes? That one I never heard of. Wonder why.

I would be interested in knowing as well. Jews drink wine or grape juice during Passover, at weddings and circumcisions, and other occasions.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (mar52)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:28:38 GMT

No grapes? That one I never heard of. Wonder why.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (CajunKing)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:34:45 GMT

Jack

Not only the grill and tongs, but ANYTHING that has touched non kosher & dairy would be gone.

I worked in a jewish deli while in school (talk about a learning experience for a kid raised catholic/baptist)

There were very strict guidlines as what could and could not be done, and basically 2 sets of EVERYTHING!

Cutting boards - 2 NO WOOD (not Kasherable) plastic ok, until it gets scratches then you'll need new ones
Utencils - 2 sets & no wood allowed (wood is not kasherable)
Kitchen Towels - 2 sets and went into different "dirty" containers
Meat and Dairy - Cooked at seperate times and NEVER together
Sinks - Stainless Steel only porcelain is not Kasherable
Dish washer - forget it you'll need 2 one for meat and one for dairy
Microwave - forget it once used for both can NEVER be Kashered

Rabbi on call just in case you forget something

Oh and

NO GRAPES - so you can't sell grape soda!!

Like i said it was a learning experience

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (Curbside Grill)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:40:02 GMT

Yes you have kosher dogs.
You CANNOT say Kosher Kitchen.
ALot of people buy Kosher products but do not keep kosher kitchen.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (ptireland)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:35:42 GMT

I can still say the dogs are Kosher.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (Twinwillow)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:01:50 GMT

PopsDogHouse

Dr of BBQ

From what I read above not only the grill would be wrong but all so the tongs and or any other equipment.

Yes. That is my understanding. Seems to me that if you want to serve a Kosher dog because it is a quality product that your customers think tastes great, and they are willing to pay for it, go for it. IMO, running a Kosher hot dog cart would have limited benefits. Now, if I were in a Jewish community, or had a huge Jewish population, I would certainly entertain the idea. When in Rome, wear a Toga.

And, when in Tel Aviv, wear a yarmulka!

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (Methais)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:54:12 GMT

The restaurant's owner says that, in addition to throwing out equipment, utensils were cleansed with a flame to purge any pieces of the non-Kosher food.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (PopsDogHouse)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:39:38 GMT

Dr of BBQ

From what I read above not only the grill would be wrong but all so the tongs and or any other equipment.

Yes. That is my understanding. Seems to me that if you want to serve a Kosher dog because it is a quality product that your customers think tastes great, and they are willing to pay for it, go for it. IMO, running a Kosher hot dog cart would have limited benefits. Now, if I were in a Jewish community, or had a huge Jewish population, I would certainly entertain the idea. When in Rome, wear a Toga.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (Dr of BBQ)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:14:47 GMT

Better carry an electric knife.

Now that's funny!

From what I read above not only the grill would be wrong but all so the tongs and or any other equipment.

I'm still laughing.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (PopsDogHouse)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:49:15 GMT

ptireland

But what if I don't use that part of the grill for pork? The grill is pretty big. If I cook all the Kosher stuff on the far left, and the non-Kosher stuff on the far right, would that be good enough for them to still buy from me?

Maybe they have Kosher versions of brats, and Italian sausages. I have never heard of beef brats or beef Italian sausages though.

I don't know about finding Kosher all beef brats and Italian sausage. I've never searched. I believe Fontanini has an all beef, but it's not Kosher. However, cooking pork or any other non Kosher meat on the same grill as Kosher meat won't fly with those who follow for religious reasons. Better carry an electric knife.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (ptireland)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:43:55 GMT

But what if I don't use that part of the grill for pork? The grill is pretty big. If I cook all the Kosher stuff on the far left, and the non-Kosher stuff on the far right, would that be good enough for them to still buy from me?

Maybe they have Kosher versions of brats, and Italian sausages. I have never heard of beef brats or beef Italian sausages though.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (PopsDogHouse)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:22:38 GMT

ptireland

PopsDogHouse

Dr of BBQ

I served a Kosher dog for awhile but I have no knowledge about Kosher rules for prep, or serving. I wonder if a Kosher Dog is still Kosher if prepared in other than a Kosher manor? And what would be the proper manor for serving a Kosher product?

Jack

I am not Jewish, but here is my understanding from study. Your Kosher dog is fine. It doesn't lose its Pareve label. HOWEVER, it cannot come into contact with any meat that is non Kosher, or any equipment used to prepare and/or serve non Kosher meat. Buns do not have to be Kosher. Pork is a huge no no. This is one reason I don't serve a Kosher dog. What good does it do since I also cook and serve pork. This is true for Jew or Muslim. A true Orthadox Jew will not even eat in your home if it contains pork.

Wow, I figured I'd sell Kosher dogs, but also sell brats, spicy polish dogs, and Italian sausage peppers. I'm pretty sure some of that isn't Kosher. If I make the dogs on one side of the grill and they never touch the other stuff, am I still making Kosher dogs?

ptireland,

Your dogs will still be Kosher, but people who eat Kosher foods for religious reasons will not eat them because of how they are prepared and served. You are using your grill to prepare non kosher meat. They would run anyway due to the pork.

Re:Non-Kosher Hot Dog Incites Rage (ptireland)

Mon, 23 Mar 2009 12:18:54 GMT

PopsDogHouse

Dr of BBQ

I served a Kosher dog for awhile but I have no knowledge about Kosher rules for prep, or serving. I wonder if a Kosher Dog is still Kosher if prepared in other than a Kosher manor? And what would be the proper manor for serving a Kosher product?

Jack

I am not Jewish, but here is my understanding from study. Your Kosher dog is fine. It doesn't lose its Pareve label. HOWEVER, it cannot come into contact with any meat that is non Kosher, or any equipment used to prepare and/or serve non Kosher meat. Buns do not have to be Kosher. Pork is a huge no no. This is one reason I don't serve a Kosher dog. What good does it do since I also cook and serve pork. This is true for Jew or Muslim. A true Orthadox Jew will not even eat in your home if it contains pork.

Wow, I figured I'd sell Kosher dogs, but also sell brats, spicy polish dogs, and Italian sausage peppers. I'm pretty sure some of that isn't Kosher. If I make the dogs on one side of the grill and they never touch the other stuff, am I still making Kosher dogs?