Beef Market Forecasts for 2004

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (lleechef)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:46:41 GMT

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Originally posted by tiki

Actually,although this no beek dogfood ruling may be q bit overboard---i have family friend that runs sleds dogs and they do just fine on fish---they eat really well on it as a matter of fact---they have dined on frozen whole salmon---the heads especially are LOADED with high quality fats---as any bear! he would stack them like cordwood in the sled and the dogs got to chew on some tasty chew toys that they relished.

Pretty much all of the chum salmon caught here is given to the dogs and yes, they seem to love it. It is the most "inferior" of all the species of salmon. Keeping a kennel of 100 or so dogs is expensive and I'm sure they get contributions from the commercial dog food companies and I think that this is what the Canadian hoopla is all about since I'm sure the commercial stuff contains meat products.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (tiki)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:35:52 GMT

Actually,although this dogfood ruling may be a bit overboard---i have a family friend that runs sleds dogs and they do just fine on fish---they eat really well on it as a matter of fact---they have dined on frozen whole salmon---the heads especially are LOADED with high quality fats---ask any bear! he would stack them like cordwood in the sled and the dogs got to chew on some tasty chew toys that they relished.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Grampy)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:24:05 GMT

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Originally posted by lleechef

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Originally posted by Grampy

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Originally posted by lleechef

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Originally posted by Grampy

Tiki:

I absloutely agree. Buy locally and support the local farmers and purveyors of meat and cheese. Their future is ours.

For the upcoming Yukon Quest race the Canadian government has stated that mushers may not bring dog food containing any beef, poultry or pork products. Are we overreacting??

That's terrible! What will you feed them, canned Snappy Mackeral Casserole for dogs? Do I see a canine marketing trend here?

Yep, it's lookin like Snappy Mackeral Casserole and Chum Salmon Supreme.

I can see the label now: CHUMS, a Man's Best Friend - Next to His Dog

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (lleechef)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 13:01:10 GMT

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Originally posted by Grampy

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Originally posted by lleechef

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Originally posted by Grampy

Tiki:

I absloutely agree. Buy locally and support the local farmers and purveyors of meat and cheese. Their future is ours.

For the upcoming Yukon Quest race the Canadian government has stated that mushers may not bring dog food containing any beef, poultry or pork products. Are we overreacting??

That's terrible! What will you feed them, canned Snappy Mackeral Casserole for dogs? Do I see a canine marketing trend here?

Yep, it's lookin like Snappy Mackeral Casserole and Chum Salmon Supreme.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Grampy)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:42:42 GMT

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Originally posted by lleechef

quote:
Originally posted by Grampy

Tiki:

I absloutely agree. Buy locally and support the local farmers and purveyors of meat and cheese. Their future is ours.

For the upcoming Yukon Quest race the Canadian government has stated that mushers may not bring dog food containing any beef, poultry or pork products. Are we overreacting??

That's terrible! What will you feed them, canned Snappy Mackeral Casserole for dogs? Do I see a canine marketing trend here?

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (lleechef)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:29:59 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Grampy

Tiki:

I absloutely agree. Buy locally and support the local farmers and purveyors of meat and cheese. Their future is ours.

I agree also but what if you live in an area where there are no farms and the burger was not raised at the ranch down the road? Here's where we have to trust that the USDA is doing it's job!
For the upcoming Yukon Quest race the Canadian government has stated that mushers may not bring dog food containing any beef, poultry or pork products. Are we overreacting??

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Grampy)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:19:24 GMT

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Originally posted by kland01s

That exactly why I am missing farmers markets now that it is one below zero here in Chicagoland. I believe in buying local as much as possible. Our market (which doesn't start until June ) features beef, fish, cheeses as well as a huge amount of produce, all grown/raised locally. They are more than happy to have you come to their farms and see for yourself, yes it's more expensive, but you know what you are getting. To me, its just like supporting the local mom and pop places to eat.

You should see if there is a farmers Cooperative nearby. We have one that has as good produce as you can find in the off season, as well as cheese, grass-fed beef and free-range chickens. Here is an interesting site that lists farmers and ranchers around the country: http://eatwild.com/

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Lone Star)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 12:11:40 GMT

I believe beef is holding at .50 per pound on the hoof at auction here which is fine.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (kland01s)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:58:01 GMT

That exactly why I am missing farmers markets now that it is one below zero here in Chicagoland. I believe in buying local as much as possible. Our market (which doesn't start until June ) features beef, fish, cheeses as well as a huge amount of produce, all grown/raised locally. They are more than happy to have you come to their farms and see for yourself, yes it's more expensive, but you know what you are getting. To me, its just like supporting the local mom and pop places to eat.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Grampy)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:49:44 GMT

Tiki:

I absloutely agree. Buy locally and support the local farmers and purveyors of meat and cheese. Their future is ours.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (tiki)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 10:44:05 GMT

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Originally posted by oneiron339

Paul, what I was inferring was that this scare is exactly what is is - a scare. Not one case of mad cow has been documented in humans in the US,ever; yet we have all these scaremongers out there with political agendas tied to PETA, Greenpeace, Animal Liberation Front, etc., trying to whip us into a frenzy over the one cow in Washington state. This is typical, however, from a population which worries more about things like mad cow and yet, everyday across the US over 100 folks die in auto crashes and no one bats an eye. It's typical of the population that worries more about Britney Spears while our imperial federal government taxes the daylights out of us to fund some off the wall project that no one wants or protects a 3" mouse in Texas while many jobs go away in the meantime.

You know--i dont belong to any of the groups you list and i think Peta is a bit crazed----but i do know that -
1---the QUALITY of the food that we are eating is going downhill faster all the time.
2---food raised on family farms rather then corporate food mills TASTES better!
3---If it wasnt for the BILLIONS of dollars we have spent on auto saftey in the past 50 yrs that 100 deaths a day in auto wrecks would be WAY higher---and i think that the 1000's of folks in MADD and like organization would argue that we DO indeed BAT AN EYE!!! and
4---having lived in the third world were no-one pays taxes to protect ANYTHING---i would just as soon pay my taxes--and continue living here where the average life span is THIRTY year longer!!!
right,left,conservative,liberal,vegtarian,meat eater----we are ALL humans and we DONT have all the answers. Too much of ANYTHING is too much!Not enough of anything is not enough! Like it or not life is compromise and lately---we--all of us --seem to be very bad at compromise---but i fear not for the planet--for i know that when somthing gets an itch--eventually it scrathes it---and we humans have been definatly itching this big ol planet of ours! So im enjoying the meal while it lasts and doing everything i can to keep it lasting! I will continue to Think Globally and Buy Locally! The burgers at the Boomerang Cafe down the road could WALK to the grill from where theynwhere raised and were never processed by a multinational corporation that owes NO alliegance to any country or people other then its stockholders bottom line. My neighbors raised that beef at the Boomerang and---i like it that way! OK i will now get down of the soapbox.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Oneiron339)

Tue, 06 Jan 2004 09:27:21 GMT

Paul, what I was inferring was that this scare is exactly what is is - a scare. Not one case of mad cow has been documented in humans in the US,ever; yet we have all these scaremongers out there with political agendas tied to PETA, Greenpeace, Animal Liberation Front, etc., trying to whip us into a frenzy over the one cow in Washington state. This is typical, however, from a population which worries more about things like mad cow and yet, everyday across the US over 100 folks die in auto crashes and no one bats an eye. It's typical of the population that worries more about Britney Spears while our imperial federal government taxes the daylights out of us to fund some off the wall project that no one wants or protects a 3" mouse in Texas while many jobs go away in the meantime.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (LegalLady)

Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:46:52 GMT

Coming from Nebraska, a major beef producing state, the mad cow "scare" has really hurt our ranchers. I continue to eat beet, but we buy ours from a local ranch, and we KNOW what he feeds!

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Sundancer7)

Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:16:07 GMT

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Originally posted by oneiron339

Here's a link to the latest scaremongering about the mad cow situation:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=2291

Oneiron: Please do not suggest to roadfooders via your web site that the mad cow disease that can jump to CJD is not a problem. I do not think that you did but one can draw that conclusion. It is potentially a major problem. Prions are not understood by the medical community. The blood supply recoginizes this as well as the rest of the world. The disease is not yet understood and the total affects are not yet known. I do not believe it is a ploy by PETA or any other group. I believe it is a world wide problem whose affects will not be know for many years.

Paul E. Smith
knoxville, TN

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Oneiron339)

Mon, 05 Jan 2004 17:10:18 GMT

Here's a link to the latest scaremongering about the mad cow situation:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/headline_detail.cfm?HEADLINE_ID=2291

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (JaneDough)

Mon, 05 Jan 2004 16:38:07 GMT

The only way to go with beef (and chicken, too, for that matter) is K-O-S-H-E-R!!! My Grandpop was a Kosher butcher. We kids were never witness to an actual slaughter (DUH!), but I remember being fascinated by every other aspect of the butchering and marketing processes; and the animals that, although raised, slaughtered and in every other way prepared to be processed as Kosher beef, were ultimately refused when internal infections or other unappetizing forms of disease were discovered in the animal... yet shipped off and accepted as non-Kosher by other vendors.

So join your friends, the observant Jews and Halal Muslims, who only eat Kosher meat, if you're a reluctant carnivore in light of Mad Cow Disease. Shalom! Salaam alechem!

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (seafarer john)

Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:30:52 GMT

Rare or medium rare is the only way to go with hamburgers!

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Grampy)

Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:50:28 GMT

I, too, had a burger with friends at a local watering hole yesterday. The waitress gave a broad grin of kinship when I asked for it rare.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (seafarer john)

Fri, 02 Jan 2004 11:36:24 GMT

I agree that the threat to any of us as individuals from the Mad Cow
disease is very low. In Europe it is estimated that several million people ate beef contaminated with mad cow before the authorities took action to remove the contaminated meat from the markets. I read yesterday that a total of 150 people died of the effects of Mad Cow contaminated beef over a perior of about six years. The odds seem very much in our favor . But we have every right to insist that out FDA and Ag Dept. do their duty and get the stuff out of our food system.
Maybe one iron and his libertarien friends have the capacity to iindividually inspect their beef purchases for Mad Cow- but most of us dont ,and we need our government to protect us from such unnecessary risks.

As for me, I had a very nice hamburger at P&G's (our local watering hole) on Tuesday and I plan to have hamburger again for lunch today.

Happy New Year to All from the snowy Hudson Valley...

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Grampy)

Fri, 02 Jan 2004 09:33:35 GMT

Some food for thought. It's a good thing this product is made with pork rather than beef:

http://www.bozosoft.com/mike/meat/brains-article.html

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (danimal15)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:42:56 GMT

There's been a lot of talk on this thread about the USDA falling down (no pun intended) on the job. And it's definitely worth asking. But maybe it's better to ask where was Congress? A bill that would have banned the processing of "downer cattle" was voted down by the Republican-led Congress, many members of which are in cahoots with the beef industry. Congress has spent billions providing subsidies to wealthy cotton and sugar farmers, but doesn't want to shell out the few extra dollars it would take to provide an adequate number of inspectors at slaughter plants, and that's just fine with the beef barons. Republicans preach about the benefits of "less government," and even Bill Clinton said, "the era of big government is over," but I'd rather have "big government" than CJD.

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Cakes)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:26:48 GMT

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Most dairy cattle end up being made into ground beef, probably for the fast food market.

Who ascertains why down cattle are down? I am sure they do not do diagnostics why the animal is sick.

Who knows what you eat

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Inspectors are supposed to make a diagnosis.

Who knows what you eat? A bullet proof answer to all these questions is to stop eating. At least you will know what you are dying from.

Cakes

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Sundancer7)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:13:27 GMT

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Originally posted by Cakes

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Originally posted by scbuzz

One of the big things that bothers me about all this is that they are saying that this tainted meat came from a "Downer" cow. One that was too sick to stand or walk !!!! They also said it came from a Holstein ??? I thought Holsteins were dairy cattle ???

Now I ask ... what the heck are they doing allowing them to slaughter a sick downer cow for human consumption !! I mean, if the cow is sick .... doesn't that tell us something ???

Most dairy cattle end up being made into ground beef, probably for the fast food market.

Who ascertains why down cattle are down? I am sure they do not do diagnostics why the animal is sick.

Who knows what you eat

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Downer cattle are not necessarily sick. They can be crippled for other reasons, birthing for one.

cakes

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Cakes)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:06:00 GMT

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Originally posted by scbuzz

One of the big things that bothers me about all this is that they are saying that this tainted meat came from a "Downer" cow. One that was too sick to stand or walk !!!! They also said it came from a Holstein ??? I thought Holsteins were dairy cattle ???

Now I ask ... what the heck are they doing allowing them to slaughter a sick downer cow for human consumption !! I mean, if the cow is sick .... doesn't that tell us something ???

Most dairy cattle end up being made into ground beef, probably for the fast food market.

Downer cattle are not necessarily sick. They can be crippled for other reasons, birthing for one.

cakes

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (lleechef)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:52:28 GMT

Wow, those folks in Buffalo are REALLY bored! Maybe we should send them some Mad Cows!

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (i95)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:45:46 GMT

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Originally posted by Route 11

On the Virginia AP wires today, there's a story about a livestock market in Fauquier County not selling much at all at auction a few days ago.

I can only imagine this impact on the west!

I didn't see that particular story on the wires today, Route 11, but did see this food-related one with a Virginia angle:

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD%2FMGArticle%2FRTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031772854922&path=%21news%21vaapwire&s=1045855935241

All hail Sonya Thomas and her bringing the Fruitcake Eating Trophy home to Virginia !!

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Route 11)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:37:45 GMT

On the Virginia AP wires today, there's a story about a livestock market in Fauquier County not selling much at all at auction a few days ago.

I can only imagine this impact on the west!

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (UncleVic)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:51:25 GMT

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Originally posted by lleechef

Out of this mornings' paper (from the LA Times) : "Animals too sick or injured to walk will no longer enter the food supply under an aggressive series of reforms that Agriculture Sec. Ann Veneman announced Tuesday in an effort "to further protect" the US from mad cow disease."

Well.......wadda ya know. About time, isn't it?

21st Century and they finally figured it out! Road Kill Anyone?

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (lleechef)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:54:24 GMT

Out of this mornings' paper (from the LA Times) : "Animals too sick or injured to walk will no longer enter the food supply under an aggressive series of reforms that Agriculture Sec. Ann Veneman announced Tuesday in an effort "to further protect" the US from mad cow disease."

Well.......wadda ya know. About time, isn't it?

RE: Beef Market Forecasts for 2004 (Lone Star)

Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:03:58 GMT

OK, I am really scared now