Chili competition judging standards

RE: Chili competition judging standards (4thGenerationChiliCook)

Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:49:18 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Bushie

Just the prelims, Sundance. I've cooked at a bunch of them over the years, and I usually always volunteer to judge. All just for fun. Good excuse to drink beer...

Which area of the country is your "home base" for cook offs?

RE: Chili competition judging standards (4thGenerationChiliCook)

Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:52:39 GMT

I had to post again because I forgot to subscribe to the topic. Forgive me, I'm new to this forum.

I'm cooking chili tonight. I started a couple of days ago and plan to be finished about 2 AM tonight.

Now that's dedication!

RE: Chili competition judging standards (4thGenerationChiliCook)

Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:48:35 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by salindgren

To Elise T- Chili John's in Burbank was not started by "those Green Bay Guys" in the fifties. It's the oldest continuously operating restaurant in Burbank, CA. Read the articles on the wall next time you're there.
-Scott Lindgren lindgren1@mindspring.com

Well you are half right and half wrong.
The reason for this is that the current owner of Chili John's in Green Bay is a few generations removed from John. The Burbank Chili John's was started by John's son, moved on to a newphew and was later sold to outside the family. So it's sort of right but not if you count the original owners in Green Bay as being closer to John than the son was.

I probably confused you even more but that's the truth.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (lone nut)

Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:27:09 GMT

Sorry to Elise T if Bushie made the statement about Chili John's in Burbank, CA. But for anyone in the Burbank area, try it. It's really finely minced beef, order it hot. Burbank Blvd, about a mile west of the Golden State Freeway, south side of street.
salindgren lindgren1@mindspring.com

RE: Chili competition judging standards (TheHotPepper.com)

Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:08:58 GMT

Bushie said it.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (lone nut)

Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:02:22 GMT

To Elise T- Chili John's in Burbank was not started by "those Green Bay Guys" in the fifties. It's the oldest continuously operating restaurant in Burbank, CA. Read the articles on the wall next time you're there.
-Scott Lindgren lindgren1@mindspring.com

RE: Chili competition judging standards (lone nut)

Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:47:31 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by EliseT

There was some discussion on another thread regarding benas in chili contests. I was watching one of those food shows and a judge was explaining his scoring standards, "If there is any grease floating on top, if it is too thin, or if it just tastes bad".

Do you know what the real judging criteria are? Do they have checklists for ratios of ingredients, color, etc?

Do you think the judging is too subjective or pretty accurate??

RE: Chili competition judging standards (tiki)

Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:29:55 GMT

I DO !! I DO!!!

RE: Chili competition judging standards (lleechef)

Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:33:59 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by clothier

I use the grinder all the time. Chopped liver, gefilte fish, works great. Never thought of grinding my own beef though.

On a related note, I made chili over the weekend, and as I was giving it the final taste test, I realized something. I don't put beans in my chili. Ever. Never really gave it much thought before.

Does that make me some sort of honorary texan?

Lone Star will love ya for it! Do you know the difference between Sconces and Scones?

RE: Chili competition judging standards (EliseT)

Tue, 10 Feb 2004 04:50:00 GMT

I hope so. I tried using my new food processor for the onions and peppers...does not work at all!

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Bushie)

Sat, 07 Feb 2004 11:45:20 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by EliseT

Have you guys ever trued the grinder attachment that goes with the Kitchenaid mixer?

I haven't, but I think it would work great.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (EliseT)

Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:31:00 GMT

Have you guys ever trued the grinder attachment that goes with the Kitchenaid mixer?

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Bushie)

Fri, 06 Feb 2004 21:13:23 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Sundancer7

Bushie: what is a chili grind and how does it differ from hamburger. I have enjoyed this thread and obviously there are some really chili experts that know how to do it.

Mr. Sundance, a "chili grind" is just hamburger ground "courser".

Think about a meat grinder with the end plate sqeezing meat out with maybe a 1/8 inch hole. A chili grind would have the end plate holes at about 1/4 inch. Simplistic explanation, but that's the way it is.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Sundancer7)

Fri, 06 Feb 2004 16:50:12 GMT

Bushie: what is a chili grind and how does it differ from hamburger. I have enjoyed this thread and obviously there are some really chili experts that know how to do it.

Some chili's are overwhelming with spices. I do not like it so hot. I do not like a lot of sweet or tomato taste either but that is just personal preference.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Edwaste)

Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:17:55 GMT

Yeah, I like Ancho chiles, it's one of my favorites. But it's not the only chili pepper on the planet, and I wouldn't think that blending different fresh chilis as "experimental" or a "novelty". Being imaginitive? yes, experimental? no.
As Edgar Varese said about his music, "I don't experiment with music, it's the listener that experiments"

If I use chili powder, I try to stick to chili powders that are just chili powder, not some blend with other stuff stuff thrown in. I like to decide what goes in the mix.

Clothier: when I referred to "a serious batch" of chili, I meant when my wife and I put a lot more than our usual effort. I'm not saying other people's chili is not serious.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Lone Star)

Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:33:55 GMT

I would hardly call Gephart's "generic". It has been made in Texas since 1896 after being invented by William Gephart to meet the year-round demand for his chili in his cafe in New Braunsfels. Gephart's is made from Ancho chiles as well as cumin, oregano, and black pepper.

Most competitions have a novelty chili, or other some such category where experimental chilis are judged.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Edwaste)

Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:09:59 GMT

Not to offend but:
Looking at the above recipe and others that have won chili cook-offs, I'm not seeing anything real impressive, in fact the recipes are very simple and lacking depth. I guess it doesn't take much to impress these judges. It seems like they're more concerned about meat chunk size than flavor and uniqueness.

If my wife and I were make a SERIOUS batch of chili, we would use a variety fresh chili pepper types, preparing them by fire roasting them til the skin turns black, then placing them in a brown paper bag to cool. Afterward, wash the pepper skin, remove the seeds and inner membrane, so that only the pepper meat is used. Or we would use dried whole chili peppers.

We still use chili powders, only to make up for what fresh peppers we're lacking. We try to get chili powders of specific chili types.

To me, making a batch of chili just using some generic powder or hot sauce, is skipping a lot of the creativity of chili maiking.
There are so many different forms of peppers, all with a unique taste, and that blending of the different types can be a lot of fun, and very rewarding. Also you never, ever get two batches that are the same.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Bushie)

Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:22:01 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Stogie

Bushie, what are your thoughts?

Cubed meat as opposed to ground was definitely there from the beginning (of the Chili Wars), but the practice of cutting the meat into small uniform cubes is something that evolved. I think it would have turned Tolbert's stomach.

Stogie is absolutely correct in saying that you have to get to know the whims of the judges. The consistent winners cook great chili, but I'm convinced the REAL secret is making a pot based on what you know about the final panel of judges. Fortunately, all the great cooks seem to be willing to share what they know.

Personally, I cut using kind of an irregular criss-cross, instead of making uniform cubes. The pieces are consistent in size, but they don't look like they came out of a machine. Some judges, of course, prefer the uniform cubes, but it just doesn't look good to me.

At home though, I prefer ground beef.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Stogie)

Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:01:19 GMT

Lone Star.....

Cubing the meat has been around since the start......around 1968. I never cubed my meat until I started competing. I like to use ground beef.....around the Midwest it seems to be the norm. Both ground and cubed have won, but it appears the cubed wins far more often.

Cubing is a pain, but I chop and cut most of my stuff on site at the cook-off. That way, you can talk with some of the folks that are just milling about.

As far as the judges marking down...no idea. I learned that the pros know what the judges are looking for at each of these events. So, you gotta talk with other cooks and get the low down. For instance, this coming weekend you should use cubed meat.......so, we will all chop, chop! At the Winter Freeze cook-off in Springfield, IL you have to cook ground beef to win.....so it's just a matter of knowing in advance what to look for.

Bushie, what are your thoughts?

Stogie

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Lone Star)

Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:24:29 GMT

Gebharts is the best.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (EliseT)

Tue, 03 Feb 2004 16:09:19 GMT

See, that Gebhardts is magic...what drug are they putting in there??? I never thought of sweet onions...I always use red for the "bite".

And I think tiny, uniform cubes does make it look like Chuck Wagon.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Lone Star)

Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:50:40 GMT

Stogie - when and why did it become the common practice to cut the meat into those tiny little uniform cubes? I think it looks strange. Is it a requirement, or will the judges count off if your beef is not precisely cut?

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Bushie)

Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:55:06 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by EliseT

So what about meats??? Texture...chopped vs ground, sausages, unusual meats???

The cookoffs around here specify either meat cut into small chunks, or else a course "chili grind". Whichever, it would apply to the whole cookoff. (In other words, if the cookoff is "chili grind", then everyone would be expected to use that in that event.)

Most everyone would be using beef, and I honestly don't know if there have been grand champion winners using pork, venison, etc. Good question.

Of course, since a lot of folks are out there just to have fun, you'll see all kinds of stuff being used. I think the one I remember most is the time this team had some big (dead) rattlesnakes hanging from the top of their booth. They were skinning them right there and planned to use the meat in their chili.

Lots of colorful characters at these things...

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Stogie)

Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:41:04 GMT

Elise...

The use of specific meats seems to be a very regional preference. For the most part, the winnners use cubed beef and not ground. However, in certain regions seems you can only win by using ground meat.

I use ground meat for serving the public, but my comp chili uses 1/4" cubed meat....specifically..Tri-Tip.....the top of the sirloin. This meat is about as good as it gets. It will hold up for 3 hours of simmering without falling apart and it tenderizes better than other meats.

Several cooks use sausage, but in reviewing the winners over the past many years, it appears sausage is not used too often. I personally use a pork bone in my pot, but I pull it out before serving. The pro's will tell you not to get too adventuresome with your meats.

The one that I have never seen used by winners is...chocolate!

Finally, many folks think you need to load everything in your chili pot. This simply isn't true! Many recipes are quite simple with very few ingredients. Here is the winner of the 1989 Champion.......

Tarantula Jacks Thundering Herd Buffalo Tail Chili
World Champion 1989

Source: Phil Walter
Submitted By: www.chilicookoff.com

Ingredients:
3 lbs cubed beef
2 medium Walla Walla Sweet Onions (chopped fine)
3 large cloves garlic (finely minced)
2 10-oz cans of chicken broth
2 12-oz cans Hunts Tomato Sauce
7 tablespoons Gebhardt Chili Powder
2 tablespoons ground cumin
¼ teaspoon Tabasco Pepper Sauce

Instructions:
Saute beef in skillet. Put beef into your favorite chili pot and simmer with onions and garlic broth for one and a half hours. Keep your hands off and leave the lid on!
Add the Hunts Tomato Sauce, Gebhardt Chili Powder and the ground cumin. Stir.

Fifteen minutes before eatin time, take off the lid and enjoy the aroma of the greatest chili ever to slide into a melmac bowl! Add the Tabasco. Put the lid back on and simmer for another 15 minutes. Add salt to taste.

Its now ready top serve. Give out the Pepto Bismol samples to all small children and women who wish to eat your chili. Give your empty chili pot to the chili groupies and suggest they use new Dawn Detergent to clean it up. (Its the Official Grease Cutter of the International Chili Society) Comb your hair, straighten your hat and practice being modest before you receive applause OR the Championship Trophy if you are competing in a sanctioned ICS Cookoff. Serve with a cold Budweiser. This will serve 6-8 hungry Varmints.

Pretty basic stuff!

Stogie

RE: Chili competition judging standards (tiki)

Tue, 03 Feb 2004 06:43:52 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Bushie

quote:
Originally posted by tiki

Bushie---on the idea of a "Wild West"-Tex/Ok roadfooders meet up---me thinks a chili cook of in Texas would be a fun day! May be worth considering.

tiki, that sounds like a good idea!! It would be great to find a sizeable cookoff around Dallas; that would make it about halfway for you, anyone around Austin, and anyone around Houston.

I'll check the CASI schedule and get back to you. Sometime later in the Spring would be great.

Sounds good to me!! All you folks in the area--take note and theres bound to be SOME roadfooders on Texas roads in spring!

RE: Chili competition judging standards (marberthenad)

Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:42:49 GMT

I was such an inexperienced judge of chili when I was asked to judge the annual chili cookoff in DC last year, that I had never before tried chili with chopped meat. Preferred it though, over its ground cousin. Better texture and contrasts in flavours.

RE: Chili competition judging standards (EliseT)

Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:00:54 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Bushie

quote:
Originally posted by EliseT

There was some discussion on another thread regarding benas in chili contests.

Elise, what exactly are benas, anyway??

It is my secret ingredient...made by typing into the wee hours. Glad I didn't substitute a "p" for the "b"!

So what about meats??? Texture...chopped vs ground, sausages, unusual meats???

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Sundancer7)

Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:05:20 GMT

I sincerely wonder if benas is a East Tennessee terminology for flatus. If so, I sincerely recommend that you eliminate from your diet as you will have a serious loss of close friendship of your closest friends.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Bushie)

Mon, 02 Feb 2004 17:52:19 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by EliseT

There was some discussion on another thread regarding benas in chili contests.

Elise, what exactly are benas, anyway??

RE: Chili competition judging standards (Bushie)

Mon, 02 Feb 2004 17:49:26 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by tiki

Bushie---on the idea of a "Wild West"-Tex/Ok roadfooders meet up---me thinks a chili cook of in Texas would be a fun day! May be worth considering.

tiki, that sounds like a good idea!! It would be great to find a sizeable cookoff around Dallas; that would make it about halfway for you, anyone around Austin, and anyone around Houston.

I'll check the CASI schedule and get back to you. Sometime later in the Spring would be great.