The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Ort. Carlton.)

Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:03:11 GMT

Dearfolk,
This is off the chili topic but square on the Cincinnati beer topic, so I hope y'all of our moderating vocation will let it stay.
Shortly after Christian Moerlein was introduced, the company added another such brew to its portfolio... Christian Moerlein Dark. People, that was the best American Dark Lager I can ever remember drinking... only Prior Double Dark from Christian Schmidt in Philadelphia was as good, and it was closer to a Porter in its execution, regardless of whether the Prior recipe used Lager yeast or Ale yeast... I had to use Prior restraint to stop drinking it!
My samples of Christian Moerlein Dark came in bottles: it was sold here for awhile. When I had it on draught in Cincinnati in 1982, I broke down and cried for joy... it was THAT good.
Somebody oughta get ahold of Mr. Hardman out there and talk him into resurrecting the dark brew, too.
Moer Lein Than Less, Ort. Carlton , Not Watching The Hudy Bowl in Athens, Georgia.
P. S. Someone from Cincinnati informs me that she saw Hudy and Hudy Delight in 12-pack cans recently in Fort Thomas, Kentucky... fresh stock, she was assured. Next trip, she's driving and promises to bring me a 12-pack of each.
Drink local whenever you can... keep 'em brewing!

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Ort. Carlton.)

Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:54:29 GMT

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Originally posted by Sundancer7
Hopefully one of those chili fast food stores will be in Tennessee. I like them both.
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

Sundan?er,
There used to be several Empress Chili locations in Greater Nashville, including one I used to go to on Elliston Place... this would have been about 1985-6. Think there was one out Nolensville Pike and one way out Highway 100 in Belle Meade or Bellevue... ten or so miles from downtown.
You can see if any of them are still there, but I doubt it.
The franchise operator's b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l daughter ran the Elliston Place location and was occasionally just the impetus I needed to go in there. The chili was good, too.
For all those years I've wondered how she fared in the ensuing years.
Nostalgically, Ort. Carlton in (Still) Chili-Chilly 30601-land.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (CajunKing)

Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:11:53 GMT

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Originally posted by EJXD2

Gosh, I'm not sure when you were in Lexington last, but we have neither Skyline nor Emperess, but we do have several Gold Stars.

I'm heading to Cincinnati tomorrow and looking forward to introducing my wife to something besides Skyline, which we like, and Gold Star, which we're not as crazy about.

Sounds as if Blue Ash is the concensus pick here.

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Originally posted by CajunKing

Skyline is the more prolific of the main 3

Skyline has locations in:

Kentucky: Louisville, Lexington, N KY area and Russell in E KY

Gold Star

Kentucky: N KY area

Emperess

Kentucky: N KY area, Lexington

Sorry Paul according to the Skyline website, no TN plans yet

Just posted what the skyline website had posted

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (EJXD2)

Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:11:22 GMT

Gosh, I'm not sure when you were in Lexington last, but we have neither Skyline nor Emperess, but we do have several Gold Stars.

I'm heading to Cincinnati tomorrow and looking forward to introducing my wife to something besides Skyline, which we like, and Gold Star, which we're not as crazy about.

Sounds as if Blue Ash is the concensus pick here.

quote:
Originally posted by CajunKing

Skyline is the more prolific of the main 3

Skyline has locations in:

Kentucky: Louisville, Lexington, N KY area and Russell in E KY

Gold Star

Kentucky: N KY area

Emperess

Kentucky: N KY area, Lexington

Sorry Paul according to the Skyline website, no TN plans yet

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (CajunKing)

Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:38:21 GMT

I have some of that too, don't know if 23 year old beer is any good though.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (jwagnerdsm)

Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:44:54 GMT

We've moved a six pack of Hude from house to house for 15 years because my wife has this idea that if the Bengels make it to the Super Bowl, it will be worth some kind of premium from the company or something. This ringing any bells with anyone. We live in Iowa and that six pack has turned by now and is taking up valuable room in our auxiliary beverage fridge.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (lynndunham)

Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:35:30 GMT

I lived in Cincinnati 1965 to 1968. Loved the Skyline chili! Went through town about three years ago and stopped at a Skyline just off the freeway. The chili was good but not quite as spicy as I remembered. The waitress said that years ago the recipe had been modified to fit the tastes of the travelers. Too bad! I'd love to go back some time and try Blue Ash and some of the others. It's a lot of trouble to make Cinci chili from scratch and I've never been satisfied with the results. Good to know it can be ordered on-line. I don't imagine any of the stores in Arizona carry it.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Wyatt_earl)

Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:55:46 GMT

I tried the Skyline in Indianapolis once - they asked me if I wanted Garlic Bread with my four way and, when I ask for oystger crackers, look at me like I'd asked for baked lizards.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (BakersBoy)

Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:39:43 GMT

Too all,

The Cincinnati Chili belt,(not my own) extends all the way to the Washington DC. area. We have the "Hard Times Cafe" featuring lots of different styles of chili. Check their web site:

www.hardtimes.com.

It really is quite good

BB

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (CajunKing)

Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:05:29 GMT

Skyline is the more prolific of the main 3

Skyline has locations in:

Ohio: Cleveland, Columbus, Toledo, Mansfield, Dayton, and all over SW Ohio
Indiana: SE Indiana, Indianaplois area
Kentucky: Louisville, Lexington, N KY area and Russell in E KY
Michigan: Lansing & Monroe
Florida: Clear Water area, F Lauderdale, F Myers, Naples

Gold Star

Indiana: Lawrenceburg
Ohio: SW Ohio, Dayton, Columbus
Kentucky: N KY area

Emperess

Indiana: SE Indiana
Ohio: Greater Cincy area
Kentucky: N KY area, Lexington

Sorry Paul according to the Skyline website, no TN plans yet

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Sundancer7)

Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:37:57 GMT

Hopefully one of those chili fast food stores will be in Tennessee. I like them both.

Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (mayor al)

Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:31:22 GMT

We have a couple of Gold Star and Skyline Chili Parlors in the Louisville Area...100 miles from Cincinnati.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (jmckee)

Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:09:34 GMT

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Originally posted by Wallyum

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Originally posted by mabk34

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Originally posted by Wallyum

Originally posted by Tristan Indiana
Is Christian Moerlein still available? My understanding was that they went bankrupt, that they had product but it was held due to finanicial litigation. But I have heard commercials recently on 700 for CM.

Yes, Christian Moerlein is back. We saw it for sale at the Florence Sam's on Saturday when we weren't digging out from the 8 inches of snow we failed to get. It had a website on the bottom of the carton and it said it was brewed by the Christian Moerlein Brewing Company. I couldn't get the website to work, so I guess I missed a small detail.

Here's a link to an Enquirer story about Moerlein:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/04/01/biz_moerlein01.html

I've seen it at Kroger, but haven't tasted the "new" stuff.

I've had several occasions to try Christian Moerlein since its return, and it seems to be Samuel Adams product relabeled for the Cincinnati market. That's not a bad thing. It's excellent beer and who doesn't like seeing a little local history preserved, even if it is in name only.

Here's an interesting story:

When Hudepohl reintroduced the Moerlein brand in the 1980s (1970s?), a friend of mine did the creative work for the ad campaign, so most of us who knew him drank a lot of free Moerlein. As a joke, my mom bought me three old original stoneware Moerlein bottles (two pints, one quart) on an antique shop expedition with her mother in Illinois. Great gift, nice to have, and after Mom died, looking at the bottles brought back very fond memories of her sense of humor.

Cut to a few years ago. The Cincinnati Art Museum opened the Cincinnati Wing, a terrific exhibit on the city's rich and varied art history. Our family loved it, but when my son, Ian, and I were ooohing and aaahing over the Rookwood Pottery exhibit, my wife, Vickie, tugged on my sleeve and said, "C'mere a minute."

On the other side of the Rookwood room was an exhibit of more "utilitarian" pottery, stuff people would use in everyday life--including the twin of one of my pint Moerlein bottles. The provenance card said it was on loan from the Cincinnati Historical Society.

We went home, talked it over, and decided to offer the Art Museum two of the bottles. So we contacted the appropriate curator, and lo and behold, they were due to return the one on display to the Historical Society very soon. They were delighted with our offer.

So now, in the Cincinnati Wing, there are two Moerlein bottles from the 1880s, one pint and one quart. And the provenance card identifies them as a gift of Jack, Vickie, and Ian McKee in memory of my mother, Darlene M. McKee. Mom's reaction would be in character: "They put the name of a dumb li'l ol' country girl with an 8th grade education in the Art Museum?"

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Wallyum)

Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:14:42 GMT

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Originally posted by mabk34

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Originally posted by Wallyum

Originally posted by Tristan Indiana
Is Christian Moerlein still available? My understanding was that they went bankrupt, that they had product but it was held due to finanicial litigation. But I have heard commercials recently on 700 for CM.

Yes, Christian Moerlein is back. We saw it for sale at the Florence Sam's on Saturday when we weren't digging out from the 8 inches of snow we failed to get. It had a website on the bottom of the carton and it said it was brewed by the Christian Moerlein Brewing Company. I couldn't get the website to work, so I guess I missed a small detail.

Here's a link to an Enquirer story about Moerlein:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/04/01/biz_moerlein01.html

I've seen it at Kroger, but haven't tasted the "new" stuff.

I've had several occasions to try Christian Moerlein since its return, and it seems to be Samuel Adams product relabeled for the Cincinnati market. That's not a bad thing. It's excellent beer and who doesn't like seeing a little local history preserved, even if it is in name only.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Bone Man)

Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:40:00 GMT

The Chili Belt? There was a Gold Star in Maysville, KY and there was an Empress in Portsmouth but it went out in less than a year. Tried to charge too much money for a little tiny plate of spaghetti.

Ort. Carlton., I've got 2 neon beer lights (really old ones) -- a Schlitz and a Pabst. I hang 'em in my Grotto on Summer nights and plug 'em in while I'm drinkin' (every night). They're great!

A pal of mine brought me 12 cans of Weidemann last week (he's been in federal prison for 18 years for blowin' up a post office and now he wants to re-do all the old stuff) and it was just as rotten and rank as it was 35 years ago when I was stealing sips from dad's Weidemann as he watched Sparky Anderson and The Big Red machine whomp everybody else. Hudy too back in them good days!

I've been ordering Dixie chili lately online by the 6-pack (I use it for hot dog sauce -- they sent me an e-mail and said the price goes up in February!!!!) and it tastes great. Maybe they stick close to the recipe on the canned stuff. I make my own Gold Star Chili -- here's the recipe:

http://www.recipezaar.com/133250

My other chili recipes are there too -- just click my name (Bone man).

I prolly have something more to say but I'm more or less too tired to type any more..........

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (mr chips)

Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:29:37 GMT

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

In my case, about 44 inches.

Glad to be of service with such a good straight line.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (jmckee)

Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:41:25 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Michael Hoffman

In my case, about 44 inches.

Great minds run in the same channels. Either that, or fools think alike.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (jmckee)

Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:40:11 GMT

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Originally posted by mr chips

How far does the Cincinnati style chile belt extend?

Mine used to be out to the last notch.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Michael Hoffman)

Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:10:02 GMT

In my case, about 44 inches.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (mr chips)

Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:04:40 GMT

How far does the Cincinnati style chile belt extend?

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (krissie)

Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:13:39 GMT

hummmm chili very good test , I love also the tacos !!!!

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (mr chips)

Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:07:50 GMT

My bad. I goofed when I googled. At least it was not post number 1,000.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (mabk34)

Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:33:37 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Wallyum

Originally posted by Tristan Indiana
Is Christian Moerlein still available? My understanding was that they went bankrupt, that they had product but it was held due to finanicial litigation. But I have heard commercials recently on 700 for CM.

Yes, Christian Moerlein is back. We saw it for sale at the Florence Sam's on Saturday when we weren't digging out from the 8 inches of snow we failed to get. It had a website on the bottom of the carton and it said it was brewed by the Christian Moerlein Brewing Company. I couldn't get the website to work, so I guess I missed a small detail.

Here's a link to an Enquirer story about Moerlein:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/04/01/biz_moerlein01.html

I've seen it at Kroger, but haven't tasted the "new" stuff.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Wallyum)

Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:56:00 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by Tristan Indiana

Is Christian Moerlein still available? My understanding was that they went bankrupt, that they had product but it was held due to finanicial litigation. But I have heard commercials recently on 700 for CM.

Yes, Christian Moerlein is back. We saw it for sale at the Florence Sam's on Saturday when we weren't digging out from the 8 inches of snow we failed to get. It had a website on the bottom of the carton and it said it was brewed by the Christian Moerlein Brewing Company. I couldn't get the website to work, so I guess I missed a small detail.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Wallyum)

Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:49:39 GMT

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Originally posted by mr chips

I may be in the minority here. Camp Washington was closed when I was in Cincinnati last summer and I went to Dthe downtown Newport Dixie Chile on the recommendation of alocal. I liked the 5 way.

It's not bad if you didn't grow up with the original. I've just been disappointed by the changes over the past few years. I can't handle the 5 way anymore and I shudder to think of what internal difficulties would result from a 6 way.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (mr chips)

Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:34:52 GMT

I may be in the minority here. Camp Washington was closed when I was in Cincinnati last summer and I went to the downtown Newport Dixie Chile on the recommendation of a local. I liked the 5 way.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (poster_guy05)

Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:10:21 GMT

Skyline Chili on Clifton. Home of Nick the Greek......... Thanks for the memories UC and Dabney Hall.... late 70's early 80s....I've been a skylini's fan ever since. Second best 3 way I've ever had!!!!!!!!!! (The first best has nothing to do with chili!)

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (marti223)

Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:25:14 GMT

I think you are right about Blue Ash Chili, I had forgotten about that place. I remember it was excellent! But also, I haven't lived in Cincinnati for 20+ years and things (and owners can change). SOmetimes the idiot children can take over a legend and ruin it. So I will cede to BA Chili. Skyline is a basically good and consistent chili parlor and am glad we can get some of the delicious stuff down here in Florida...both in the freezer section and in the restaurants in Ft. Lauderdale, Ft. Myers and Clearwater.[^

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Originally posted by marti223

You need to go farther North to Camp Washington - I went to U.C. for 6 years and checked them (Cincinnati Chili Parlors) all out believe me!
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Originally posted by Wallyum

Soccer games and family requests didn't leave me much time for dinner this evening, so when I found a moment I stopped into Dixie Chili in Newport for a 3-way and a couple of coneys before work. The Newport store is the one that I've been going to for almost 40 years, but since my grandparents passed away in 2002 my visits have become less frequent. After tonight they may have stopped for good. I couldn't believe how far downhill Dixie has gone in the past few years. The chili is almost tasteless anymore and seems to have been thickened up by something, possibly cornstarch. I ate one of my Coneys straight and it was so bland that I doused the second one with Texas Pete hot sauce just to give it some life. My 3 way was equally as lifeless, with the cheese being the strongest flavor, followed closely by the crackers. The taste of the chili was almost non-existent. This used to be my meal of choice on birthdays, graduation, etc. A co-worker and fellow lifelong Dixie eater claims that people he has talked to have told him that it hasn't been the same since the chief cook retired a few years back. After tonight I'm inclined to believe him. Guess I'll be a Skyline guy from now on.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (Wallyum)

Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:47:07 GMT

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Originally posted by Tristan Indiana

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Originally posted by Wallyum

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Originally posted by Ort. Carlton.

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Originally posted by Wallyum

I did a search on Yahoo last night and came up with a list of different chili parlors in the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky area. I've decided that I'm going to make my summer project a visit to each one of them. I'm going to get the same thing at each one, a three way and two coneys, and keep careful notes, then possibly post my findings. I told my wife about the idea at dinner. "Won't you get awful sick of chili?" was her reply. Sick of CHILI? Is that possible? She was greatly relieved to find that I didn't expect her to accompany me, so the idea got her blessing. I think I'll start with Gourmet Chili in Newport this weekend. (I should buy some Wiedemann first.)

Wallyum,
Do they still make Royal Amber, or has that gone the way of Christian Moerlein and Christian Moerlein Doppel Dark and Schoenling Lager Beer and Burger Beer and Burger Light Beer? - I'm a can collector, and those brands used to grace Cincinnati area shelves... most of them available in cans. And I'll drink Little Kings or Hudepohl instead of national brands any day... especially on draft.
I'll be really interested in reading your reports from the battlefront, as it were. The Ernie Pyle of Cincinnati chili - who'd'a thunk it? Keep the antacid handy; you might need it.
Fivewaylessly, Ort. Carlton in Unchilied Athens, Ga.

Nope, Royal Amber has been gone for years. So has Wiedemann as a matter of fact. I'm also a can collector, but I limit myself to Kentucky and Cincinnati brands. There's a bar in Ft. Thomas that has an old Royal Amber sign that I lust after. (At least they did have it. It's been a while since I've been there because of an incident with a golf game in the back room. I bet they've forgotten me by now though.)
I ran my Chili Chronicles idea by the guys I work with last night. The 23 year old got a pretty good laugh out of it. The 48 year old was as fired up as I was. We tried to explain our excitement to the 23 year old, but he's still a little wet behind the ears. He thinks a bar full of bimbos on a Friday night is exciting. Uh........yeah, well, WOO-HOO, chili rules.....I guess.
I'm not really concerned about how my stomach will handle it. Chili is something I can eat several times a week without a problem. If I were rating White Castles I'd keep a stomach pump close by, but chili and I go way back.

Is Christian Moerlein still available? My understanding was that they went bankrupt, that they had product but it was held due to finanicial litigation. But I have heard commercials recently on 700 for CM.

WOW! Haven't heard that name in a while. I remember splurging and picking up a 1/2 barrel of Christian Moerlein for my 21st birthday party. We had just finished getting our butts kicked in a softball tournament at NKU and most of the team went over to the Hudepohl dock with me to pick it up. They were really impressed that I was springing for the expensive stuff. I remember the guy at the dock giving us a bunch of Oktoberfest posters and other Hudy advertising stuff.
As for if it's still sold, I can't tell you. I haven't totally sworn off drinking, but I'm at a point where I rarely do much of it. We usually grill on my porch after the ball games on Friday night, and then I might have a couple, but other than that I hardly ever touch the stuff. I have some belated gifts to buy for my crew at work tomorrow, (because of last week's snow storms,) and I usually get them a gift certificate and a six pack of good beer. I'll check for CM and get back to you next year.

RE: The sad demise of a Cincinnati legend (TJ Jackson)

Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:22:24 GMT

Err, there is another current Roadfood topic that should pique your interest then:
Cincy Chili in San Diego
http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5709