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garryd451

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RE: soda costs breakdown Tue, 02/14/06 8:40 AM (permalink)
quote:
Originally posted by Jimeats

Look you people have to understand that you are in the food SERVICE industry. The coustomer that comes thru that door of yours is your bread and butter! You might want to take a page from V960s father's business savy and consider the overall large picture. I can understand the need to control your food costs but when you start to scumbadee on your product or portions it will end up costing you in the long run. There are items on the menu that bring huge returns on your dollar and others not as much but in the end it all comes out to your overall food cost, thats the bottom line you should be looking at. Chow Jim


You are so right!!!! We got a DUMMY in out town who bought a thriving hometown cafr, He start cutting down portions and rasing the prices at the same time. He lost alot of Businees, so what did the idiolt do, He added upscale meals that you would find in a Steak House. That didn't work, so guess what the idiolt is doing now, He bought another same type of thriving place dowtown and He is ruining it the same way. He told people He hopes by having two places He can get his income back up to what his income was at his first place, when he bought it!!
What a DUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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    V960

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    RE: soda costs breakdown Tue, 02/14/06 9:49 AM (permalink)
    Pdxyyzz, (curious handle, is there a story behind it?)

    There are many ways to sell food. My family was the low end of white table cloth in minor markets. In effect becoming the high end of that local market. Selling sausage biscuits at breakfast was not our thing.

    Our family's concept has always been charge a top price and increase your margins by lowering costs. Quality was always on the top. Someone mentioned small cans of juice. Never in our places. ALL juice was fresh and all citrus was hand cut that day. Added costs? Yes, but also put us over the top in the geogrsphic area for quality.

    You need to know a soft drink costs 48 cents out of the tap (not a delivered cost but something to work w/) but what does that mean to the selling price? If it cost 38 cents are you going to charge less? You charge $1.25 or $1.50 or whatever even if it costs you 68 cents.

    Your service to the customer is THE most important item in your store. A happy camper will come back even if the sausage biscuit costs an extra 75 cents. Make the biscuits fresh each morning (not frozen crap, it's really cheaper in the long run), have Grandma behind the counter, put up a sign that the sausage came from a local farmer, have mustard and hot sauce out free service (NOT packets!!!), and SMILE.

    I'm sitting here blowing time. One of my guys is sitting on the side of I-85 w/ a blown ????. This is turning into a crap day. At least I'm not digging out from under a few feet of snow.

    Hey, since I'm wasting time I just remembered a funny incident w/ my Dad. I was put in charge of the bar. I watched the bartender cutting lemons and limes and told him he was cutting them too thin. "your Dad told me to do it this way"

    "Am I in charge of the bar or not?? I asked my Dad. "This is my store and I tell them how thin they get cut" was his reply.

    I worked at the competitor a few miles away for a week or so until my Dad showed up at my house w/ an apron embroidered w/ "THE BAR BOSS". This whole day is going to be toast. Fried spam w/ cheese on biscuits for breakfast...good thing I run thirty miles a week.

     
    #32
      rhg23

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      RE: soda costs breakdown Tue, 02/14/06 1:19 PM (permalink)
      BEING IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY FOR A LONG TIME, I HAVE SEEN VARIOUS WAYS TO KEEP BEVERAGE COSTS DOWN. THE SERVERS IN MY RESTAURANT USE 4 OUNCE CONE CUPS WHILE THEY ARE IN THE DINING ROOM. A) TO REDUCE CLUTTER IN THE WAIT AREA AND B) TO ENSURE LESS WASTE DUE TO FILLING 3-32 OUNCE TO GO CUPS DURING A FULL SHIFT. AS FOR THE KITCHEN CREW, A 32 OUNCE TO GO CUP IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE KITCHEN, WE HAVE KID TO GO CUPS THAT ARE 12 OUNCE IN SIZE THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE IN THE KITCHEN. AS PER MY D.O. OUR N/A BEVERAGE COST MUST STAY BELOW A 1.0%. IN OTHER KITCHENS I HAVE WORKED IN THE EXECUTIVE CHEF WOULD USE A TEA URN AND BEFORE EACH SHIFT WOULD MAKE KOOL-AID FOR THE ENTIRE STAFF TO ENJOY. JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS.
       
      #33
        renfrew

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        RE: soda costs breakdown Tue, 02/14/06 1:42 PM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by V960

        Renfrew,
        You spill the beer because it looks good. The customer likes it and wants to come back or order more. Short fill a beer mug and the beer can be half the price the place next door but the guy next door will get the business. The Europeans solved this problem in two ways, the beer is good and they make the glasses w/ line to show a full fill.




        I know that trick, but at brewpubs it is seemingly done to get rid of the froth. I see it done not only for pints, also and pitcher and when they fill up the growlers to sell. that seems to go beyond just showing the customer.

        Next time, I will have the frame of mind to ask the bartender...
         
        #34
          V960

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          RE: soda costs breakdown Tue, 02/14/06 1:57 PM (permalink)
          quote:
          Originally posted by rhg23

          IN OTHER KITCHENS I HAVE WORKED IN THE EXECUTIVE CHEF WOULD USE A TEA URN AND BEFORE EACH SHIFT WOULD MAKE KOOL-AID FOR THE ENTIRE STAFF TO ENJOY. JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS.


          AHH...bug juice. We had to stop doing this after it got spiked w/ Everclear one night. Great night but it was kind of like the old joke about adverising execs.

          Sign went up in the Ad execs wash room. All execs will drink gin martinis and not vodka martinis at lunch in the future so our clients will know you are drunk and not stupid.
           
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            bassrocker4u2

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            RE: soda costs breakdown Thu, 02/16/06 8:30 AM (permalink)
            thanks dogmeat, for the great numbers. looking foward to your visit. intro yourself, and i will give the old tour..heehee
            thanks to all of you for your insite and opinions. many things to ponder.
             
            #36
              The Travelin Man

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              RE: soda costs breakdown Thu, 02/16/06 9:21 AM (permalink)
              quote:
              Originally posted by V960

              Pdxyyzz, (curious handle, is there a story behind it?)


              My guess, without knowing the story, is that it involves the airport codes for both Portland, OR (PDX) and Toronto, ON (YYZ). Perhaps there was a move from one to the other at some point?
               
              #37
                The Travelin Man

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                RE: soda costs breakdown Thu, 02/16/06 10:47 AM (permalink)
                <--- blows breath on knuckles and gently wipes across shirt!

                I am glad that I was right. If I wasn't I would start to think that I spend WAYYYYYY too much time in airports!

                Steve
                MLB/MCO
                 
                #38
                  V960

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                  RE: soda costs breakdown Fri, 02/17/06 10:19 AM (permalink)
                  Didn't recognize those codes. I basically stay on the east coast and Japan

                  Michael
                  CLT/KIX/GSO(terrible a/p but they have fares 75% less than CLT)
                   
                  #39
                    kland01s

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                    RE: soda costs breakdown Fri, 02/17/06 11:54 AM (permalink)
                    Had to use this website to figure out those codes you boys are throwing around!

                    http://www.world-airport-codes.com/

                    KL (who stays away from ORD as much as possible)
                     
                    #40
                      The Travelin Man

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                      RE: soda costs breakdown Fri, 02/17/06 12:43 PM (permalink)
                      I can admit that KIX gave me some trouble, too. For some reason, when I think of Japan's airports, I only think of NRT.
                       
                      #41
                        V960

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                        RE: soda costs breakdown Fri, 02/17/06 1:21 PM (permalink)
                        Of all the Japanese a/p's listed I've only been to four. NGO, Nagoya (a true CHALLENGE for English only speakers); NRT, Narita, Tokoyo's a/p even though it is a hour away; ITM, Itami, Osaka's old intl a/p and now their domestic one; and KIX, Kansai, Osaka's new intl place. Kix is the man made island in the bay that is a relativelly small a/p but ultra modern. LUX, Luxembourg is the smallest intl a/p I ever went through...six gates? LuxAir is the national airline w/ one 747, two 737's and a few puddle jumpers. Their duty free shops are so cheap that many people fly through just to shop.

                        They could all learn something from AMS, Amsterdam's Schiphol a/p. A casino, diamond shops, and a super efficient train connection to the city. My favorite a/p anywhere.
                         
                        #42
                          trin

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                          RE: soda costs breakdown Tue, 02/28/06 11:03 PM (permalink)
                          Hey. I am an employee in a resturant that has decided to make us pay for our own drinks. Using the calculations in this thread, I can see where they are getting their numbers. They charge us $1.00 for our drinks. Our "at cost" cost would be .98 (with one refill). Makes sense to me.

                          Now, here is the issue I have. It's not about cost, it's about the principal. When these calculations were used, they incorporated food cost. Yeah. Everyone has them. Things go bad, mistakes are made, customers sometimes get free food, etc. I am not sure how all restaurants work, but in ours, we have food costs as well, but we mark things such as "mistakes" differently that the normal food cost. This is a preallotted amount of waste that we can have, and that is already added into the projected food cost. Anyway, I think you guys understand that more than I do.

                          In our store (during this time of the year) we make about sell about $9000 a week in product (That's only a guess, I don't always get to see the numbers - may be a little over or under, but from what I have seen, it is a pretty good ball park figure). If all the employees in an average day get a drink plus a refill, then that would be about $82.32 a week (at 12 employees a day). That's just under .09% of the sales for the week. What I would like to know (as an employee) is if giving us free pop was going to cost you .09% of your weekly sales, would we be worth it? Forget about how it adds into food costs, and just make it a known loss. Happy employees help make happy customers.

                          I think one of the most common comments I have heard from my GM and his staff is that "it is only pop." Yes, it is, but I can turn it around to them and say: "Yes, it IS only pop."

                          As for me and my concern on this issue, please don't think that I go around all day griping about this. It's just one other thing happening in the company lately that has been getting under my skin.

                          That is all...
                          trin
                           
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                            bassrocker4u2

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                            RE: soda costs breakdown Wed, 03/1/06 7:30 AM (permalink)
                            trin, is that a corporate rest? the numbers there are really tight. if food cost goes by the wasteside, so does the bonus for the gm and the km. cutting sodas is kinda like a punishment that could be reversed if all numbers were met. there must be alot of waste due to mistakes, improper rotation, employee eating, and over portioning, for a gm to cut free soda from the staff. i think if you all want to get back in the good graces of the gm, show some numbers!
                            also think about this. the bottom line profit for a big place like that is usually no more than 5-15 percent. so ever nickle and dime matters. thats why they make you scrape out pans with rubber spats, and squeeze out every little drop from sauce bags, e.t.c.
                            another tip that most palces dont do, is the dish washer. i had instructed my staff not to run single items through the machine, but to only run it when fully loaded. this will save tons of money.

                            you guys should get together and buy a bunch of 2 liters. stick them in the fridge, and have all the soda you want.... cheap enough..
                            and the manager will be impressed with your 'onboard attitude'
                             
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                              porkbeaks

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                              RE: soda costs breakdown Wed, 03/1/06 12:36 PM (permalink)
                              quote:
                              Originally posted by V960

                              I "cured" my daughters of soda consumption by taking a large iron nail and putting it in the soda bottle. Twelve hours later it was GONE. Phosphoric acid is pretty nasty stuff.


                              What did the heck did you put in the soda bottle? I assume it wasn't Coca~Cola. pb
                              http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp
                               
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                                drsmoke02

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                                RE: soda costs breakdown Wed, 03/1/06 2:13 PM (permalink)
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by pdxyyz

                                quote:
                                Originally posted by bassrocker4u2


                                i was hoping that some other professionals would post comparison numbers. one major difference i have learned so far, is the huge price variation charged for the bib. i think some of us are getting gouged pretty bad. a collegue informed me yesterday that they pay 33.95 for the same bib i pay 49.95 for.
                                that makes a monsterous difference in food cost for soda!
                                other factors would be the cup lid strw price.
                                anybody with numbers?


                                I use coke products,i charge 1.49 16 oz.,free refills,sweet tea 1.79. i don't buy my bibs from coke,i can get them cheaper from one of my local suppliers,no not sysco.

                                The joys of working with the soda industry monopoly. Yes you can buy Coke or Pepsi, but you have to buy it from the local bottler at their price. And switching to the other brand can hurt your business.


                                 
                                #46
                                  drsmoke02

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                                  RE: soda costs breakdown Wed, 03/1/06 2:18 PM (permalink)
                                  Somehow i keep screwing up the ""quote" deal,in the above i said, iue coke products,etc.
                                   
                                  #47
                                    drsmoke02

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                                    RE: soda costs breakdown Wed, 03/1/06 2:20 PM (permalink)
                                    make that i use.
                                     
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                                      V960

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                                      RE: soda costs breakdown Wed, 03/1/06 4:01 PM (permalink)
                                      Porkbeaks,
                                      Try the nail thing w/ coke. I haven't done it in ten years and haven't had a coke in thirty. Cheerwine about once a month is my soda limit. New meds seem to upset my stomach and a Cheerwine settles it.

                                      Cheerwine is a strange company in that all their products are formulated w/ HFCS EXCEPT the 12 oz bottle which uses cane sugar. We keep those in the frig all the time.
                                       
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