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chriscubva

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those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 4:36 AM (permalink)
Until I move to Denver in a few weeks I am staying with my sister.
Yesterday the phone rang and she answered it, the call was from some
collection agency. Seems they are calling about a bill in her name from 1995. A bill which not only she totally forgotten about but she hadn't received a single letter or anything about this, well she can't remember when she recieved anything from this. For the record, it was doctors bill and the cost was $45.00.

What got me ( and her ) about this call besides being a bill from 12 years ago was how rude and nasty the person from the collection agency was.

My sister is getting over a cold so her voice is a bit deep. The man on the phone made some crack "..either you are a man or a lesbian".

She demanded to talk to this person's supervisor only to be told to "..go to hell".

I myself ( thank goodness ) had to deal with these people but I know many others who have and heard quite a few horror stories such as the people from these places making several calls in one day to one's work place. On another site I read about how one department store chain called up a customer's supervisior telling him he should give this person a raise because their card is not in collections. I even heard some of these people can call up and pretty much cuss one out on the phone. I can't see how this is legal.

back to my sister, a few people have told her because this place called her a "lesbian", which she is not she could actually sue this place for deflamtion of character.

and other collection agency horror stories?
 
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    enginecapt

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    • Location: Fontana, CA
    RE: those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 4:58 AM (permalink)
    Defamation of character is injury to someone's reputation by false or unjustified means. She would have to be, for instance, libeled or slandered to claim defamation. What she experienced was a garden variety insult, as apparently she's the type of person who takes offense to that. Her word against the callers. I'd check with her state and see if there are procedures in place to lodge complaints against abusive collection callers. As far as the lesbian part goes, she needs to let it go and move on.
     
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      EliseT

      RE: those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 5:25 AM (permalink)
      Some of these are scams. They tell you you owe a little bit on your old school loan, or doctor's bill or whatever they were able to hack into. Sometimes I think they are randomly fishing, like eventually someone will have a Citibank bill due.

      They try to bully you into paying by phone just to get access to your account.

      I am also shocked by "legitimate" places like tech support threatening to hang up on me after leaving me on hold for an hour. They claim they can't transfer you to their supervisor so they won;t get in trouble. I just hope they are being recorded.

       
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        BhamBabe

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        • Location: Mandeville, LA
        RE: those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 9:00 AM (permalink)
        If it is a very old debt, whatever she does, tell her not to actually say it's her debt or it can actually renew the debt.

        Tell her to ask for the original documents of the debt. But that she's NOT admitting the debt is valid. They must supply that. Most can't because they didn't buy the debt to actually help the place, they want the money. They buy old debt for pennies on the dollar. Anything they make after that is gravy.

        If they do not send any documents you can bet they are just a fly by night collections. They are everywhere these days.

        And before someone jumps in and says you bad debt person you...I'm not saying don't pay a legit debt. I'm saying don't pay a legit debt to a scam collections agency! Doesn't matter the price, it's the principle of the whole thing.

        A stinky unethical place like that started calling my 86 year old grandmother over a debt that wasn't even hers! They got her so confused she actually agreed to pay the thing to stop the phone calls. We only found out when my aunt found the payment booklet they sent her. The debt they were trying to collect? My dead aunts bill from 1982!
         
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          V960

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          • Location: Kannapolis area, NC
          RE: those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 2:41 PM (permalink)
          When we moved our office fifty miles out nof Charlotte we had to get new phone numbers. These numbers come from old holders and generally don't have the greatest history. If I see a call coming in on line three, I grin and take it. It has gotten to be such a joke the staff crowds around to watch.

          "Joe's Pool Hall...Eightball speaking..shoot!!!" is the most common response but another is "Hey...want vodka? How about blow? or I have girls...young ones."

          They usually don't call back
           
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            salsailsa

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            • Location: Canada, ND
            RE: those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 4:23 PM (permalink)
            I'd be suspicious given what EliseT said- my father is a dentist and I know that he isn't trying to persue bills that are 12 years old- especially given the bill is $45. Most places write it off as bad debt within a year or two or if it is a substantial sum, send it to small claims court or to collections.

             
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              pogophiles

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              RE: those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 6:31 PM (permalink)
               
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                CCJPO

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                • Location: Fallon, NV
                RE: those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 8:12 PM (permalink)
                BhamBabes's 1st sentence is the the best advice anyone can take when recieving a call regarding an ALLEGED old debt. Don't admit, nor deny owing the debt. Don't say that you can't remember if you did any business with the bill in question. Actually don't say anything, although, I have several things I use when I get these calls, I either just set the phone down, eventually they will just hang up, I have a tape recording of my son during one of his better colicky moments - and I put that next to the phone and turn it on, I also have one of my beautiful bride snoring, she still denies she snores, it is on a loop so it just keeps going, and it is LOUD. Or sometimes if Iam in a peckish frame of mind I will engage the caller in small talk, find out where they are calling from, what is the weather like, how do they like their job, eyc., totally mundane social chatter. Eventually they will hang up, as for them volume is money, and any time taken away from their actually function is money lost.

                Do not get mad, do not threaten, do not SWEAR at them, then they know they have you, and they are now
                in control. Once they are in control they will continue to harass you.

                DO NOT ask to speak to a supervisor, more then likely their "supervisor" is a person on the phone next to them, and that person is just another employee.

                I don't advise asking for documentation, that only opens the door, that might indicate that you have a debt that is owed.

                If the debt is owed, go to the orginal source and get it paid. I am not in favor of deadbeats. If you owe it, pay it.

                I like V960's way of dealing with, but not all of us have multple lines, with a dedicated number.

                The article noted by pogophiles is an excellent one and should be read by every one.

                I am rocking out to BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS while I am reading roadfood, great old tunes.

                BE DEBT FREE
                 
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                  Adjudicator

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                  • Location: Tallahassee, FL
                  RE: those collection calls.... Thu, 04/19/07 9:10 PM (permalink)
                  Get a VoIP number. Unwanted calls will vanish! Tried & True.
                   
                  #9
                    6star

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                    RE: those collection calls.... Fri, 04/20/07 11:39 AM (permalink)
                    Although the cases described above sound like they might be bordering on fraud, it might just be possible that all the fault is not with the collection agency.

                    I have had some medical problems in the past year, and I am covered by Medicare. For those not familiar with Medicare, about 2 or 3 months after your treatment, they send you a "Summary" which tells you what the total bill was, how much they reduced it, how much they paid and how much you should be billed for. I normally wait until Medicare's Summary comes before paying any bill, since many times the original billing of the doctor, hospital, lab, etc. is off and I don't want to have to make adjustments later.

                    Anyway, I got a letter from a collection agency saying that I owed a bill that had been sent about 4 months previously, but never paid. I checked and it was listed on the Medicare Summary, but I couldn't find the original bill, even though I keep all bills together until they are paid. There was a name and phone number on the collection agency letter, so I called the woman and explained that I had never gotten the original bill, and normally do not pay bills that I don't receive. I asked her to have the doctor billing group to re-send the bill to me, which she said she would. I repeated this each month for 4 months, as I still hadn't gotten the bill, each time asking if she was sure they had my correct address. Finally, after 5 months the lady at the collection agency gave me the phone number of the billing group (which was un-listed) and I called them. It turned out it was the billing group's fault.

                    They were sending the bill to the wrong address. My address is similar to "1234 N. St. Joseph Avenue". (That is North Saint Joseph Avenue.) I always use the "extended" 9-digit zip code since in my same 5-digit zip code, there is a North Street. These idiots were people who don't use more than 5 digits of zip code, and were sending all the bills to "1234 North St." No wonder I never got the bill!
                     
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                      Tedbear

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                      • Location: Somerset, NJ
                      RE: those collection calls.... Sat, 04/21/07 9:53 AM (permalink)
                      To quote Bottom Line Personal, an excellent newsletter to which I subscribe, "all states have statutes of limitation for debt collection".

                      You can check the specific statutes for her state at:
                      www.creditinfocenter.com

                      While I firmly believe in being responsible for one's debts, a check of this site may help to provide a "loophole" for your relative's situation.
                       
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                        John A

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                        RE: those collection calls.... Sat, 04/21/07 5:49 PM (permalink)
                        Ignore it, Ignore it, Ignore it. DO NOT RESPOND in any way, shape, or form.

                        John
                         
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