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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/28 22:23:32 (permalink)
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With 2 million less folks dining in Pittsburg, does this mean there are shorter lines or less choices?


While people have left the area, the total population has remained stable. There are still 2.3 million people in the Pittsburgh Metro Statistical Area.

The Pittsburgh Metropolitan Statistical Area (also called Greater Pittsburgh), as defined by the United States Census Bureau, is an area consisting of seven counties in western Pennsylvania, anchored by the city of Pittsburgh. As of the 2000 census, the MSA had a population of 2,431,087 (though a July 1, 2007 estimate placed the population at 2,355,712).[1]

As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 2,431,087 people, 995,505 households, and 652,196 families residing within the MSA. The racial makeup of the MSA was 89.77% (2,182,444) White, 7.86% (191,103) African American, 0.11% (2,668) Native American, 1.08% (26,209) Asian, 0.02% (552) Pacific Islander, 0.26% (6,250) from other races, and 0.90% (21,861) from two or more races. 0.72% (17,408) were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

The median income for a household in the MSA was $35,908, and the median income for a family was $44,709. Males had a median income of $35,670 versus $23,993 for females. The per capita income for the MSA was $18,897.




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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/29 19:01:53 (permalink)
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Originally posted by ChiTownDiner

With 2 million less folks dining in Pittsburg, does this mean there are shorter lines or less choices?


While people have left the area, the total population has remained stable. There are still 2.3 million people in the Pittsburgh Metro Statistical Area.

The Pittsburgh Metropolitan Statistical Area (also called Greater Pittsburgh), as defined by the United States Census Bureau, is an area consisting of seven counties in western Pennsylvania, anchored by the city of Pittsburgh. As of the 2000 census, the MSA had a population of 2,431,087 (though a July 1, 2007 estimate placed the population at 2,355,712).[1]

As of the census[2] of 2000, there were 2,431,087 people, 995,505 households, and 652,196 families residing within the MSA. The racial makeup of the MSA was 89.77% (2,182,444) White, 7.86% (191,103) African American, 0.11% (2,668) Native American, 1.08% (26,209) Asian, 0.02% (552) Pacific Islander, 0.26% (6,250) from other races, and 0.90% (21,861) from two or more races. 0.72% (17,408) were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

The median income for a household in the MSA was $35,908, and the median income for a family was $44,709. Males had a median income of $35,670 versus $23,993 for females. The per capita income for the MSA was $18,897.



Thanks for the stats. There is still much present reason for pride in Pittsburgh.

Mine grows from the fact that one can go to the top of the tallest building in New York, traverse the nation on rail, and drive across San Francisco Bay supported by the product of our fathers and grandfathers. Even our very freedom is made possible from this singular city of our births' producing more steel than the Axis powers combined - to say nothing of the Unertal rifle and bomb sights being made and the parts for "Little Man" and "Fat Boy" being machined.

I titled this thread about the 2,000,000 who moved yet still consider themselves "Pittsburghers". Following is the statistical (and heuristic) basis for this.

In 1970, for economic reasons, I took the decision to live someplace other than my beloved Pittsburgh. The census that year had Greater Pittsburgh and (what became) the DFW Metroplex about the same population. Metro DC where I settled then was slightly larger.

Presently, the DFW is 6.2, DC Metro 5.3, and, as you noted, Greater Pgh 2.4. DFW is now #4 "with a bullet", behind Chicago and past Philly; PGH is now at #22 sandwiched between Denver and Portland.

Worse, DFW with 2.7 times the population of PGH produces over 4 times the Gross Metropolitan Product!

We left DC for DFW in 2005 at the height of the housing silliness, trading a circa 1953 2,000 sf rancher for a 1995 3,400 sf colonial on more land, pocketing $600k in the process.

As I mentioned above, the four children my wives birthed in "Redskin Country" somehow consider themselves to be Pittsburghers - part of the (at least) 2,000,000 who left.

I write through tears seeing with eyes that will forever remember the Monongehela and the Ohio being filled - and the night lit - with the fires that brought us freedom and later preserved it.

So, I remember with a sad heart that bleeds, now and forever, black and gold. And FIRE!
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/30 13:53:36 (permalink)
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Even our very freedom is made possible from this singular city of our births' producing more steel than the Axis powers combined
Yes, that is something I am very proud of! I thought you may enjoy enjoy this photo I took at the Stiller game on Sunday.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/30 18:00:54 (permalink)
This is now my desktop photo... Thanks for sharing....
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/30 20:19:26 (permalink)
BB, I have a question - - I know the Gulf Building, the US Steel Building and the PPG building (I love the glass castle and my first Ruths Chris' experience was there quite a few years ago)... However, there are some buildings that I don't know.... Can you help???
The red building to the right of the US Steel building - - the tall building just behind the kind of pointed building in the center of the skyline, and that pointed building with the antenna tower on top - - my recollection is that that might be the Koppers Building....
I used to work at the Pennsylvania Bell Telephone building at the Point.... Loved the art shows at Point State Park, and remember sitting in the middle of the Allegheny in my mom and dads boat to watch the fireworks displays... I even waterskied right about there in the river lots of times....
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 02:20:37 (permalink)
I like the Hillman Building I like Pittsburgh's downtown area better than Cleveland's..I think it has more big, newer and nicer looking buildings. Pittsburgh seems to be a bigger city? Anyone know for sure? What do you guys and gals think? They always are comparing the two cities..They are so close...Both cities have Slavic backgrounds. Same type of weather. True, Pittsburgh doesn't have Lebron

I do really like that hospital complex right on the outskirts of the downtown area of Cleveland...with that really nice park.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 06:46:50 (permalink)
The mystery buildings are:
The red building is at Liberty and Sixth and was originally known as 1 Oliver Plaza. It got renamed the FreeMarkets Building, and, when that company was bought out, it became the Ariba Building. It will soon be rebranded for the law firm K&L Gates.
The tall building is One Mellon Center, at the corner of Fifth and Grant.
Finally, the pointed building was originally Fifth Avenue Place but is now known as the Highmark Building.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 08:02:14 (permalink)
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Finally, the pointed building was originally Fifth Avenue Place but is now known as the Highmark Building.


The "pointed building" was built on the site of the Jenkins Arcade. Along with shopping at The Joseph Horne Company and lunch at Stouffer's, a visit to my optometrist, Dr. H. Ward Ewalt, on the eighth floor of the Jenkins Arcade was all part of my childhood "getting ready for school" routine. What a wonderful place it was!

http://www.clpgh.org/exhibit/neighborhoods/downtown/down_n21r.html

http://www.savethebuhl.org/gone.html
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 08:07:03 (permalink)
Another place in Pittsburgh that I really enjoyed and is now gone is Poli's in Squirrel Hill. It was one the best seafood restaurants in the city.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 08:09:29 (permalink)
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True, Pittsburgh doesn't have Lebron
We are much happier with Sid the Kid.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 09:56:09 (permalink)
Lebron... what is that; soccer? Team tennis? An ice skating move? Is there a double and triple Lebron? Never heard of a Lebron before.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 10:04:46 (permalink)
Something uniquely Pittsburgh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOD4uJgpY-w

Check out the commercial for the VIP....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKEFbKYWTM
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 16:52:55 (permalink)
Thanks for the info on the buildings... Pittsburgh is certainly a beautiful city.... We used to go to Jenkins Arcade, too - - what a concept - - a bunch of shops in one building.... Kinda like a 'shopping center', isn't it??? Years before its time....

A HUGE treat for me when I was a kid was getting all dressed up - - hat and gloves, of course - - and going to 'tea' at the William Penn Hotel... I remember an extra tap in the restroom sinks with a pointy cup dispenser next to it... The tap dispensed "Artesian Well Water" - - apparently from the fourth of Pittsburgh's rivers - - the underground one.....

Also went to 'tea' a couple of times at the Schenley Hotel in Oakland - - before it became part of the U. of Pittsburgh..... That usually was part of an outing to Phipps Conservatory to see the annual Spring Flower show.... Cucumber sandwiches and homemade scones with clotted cream and jam were the stars of the show.... I wasn't real crazy about the food, but those hats would rival anything at British Royal parties!!!!
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/10/31 18:22:38 (permalink)
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Another place in Pittsburgh that I really enjoyed and is now gone is Poli's in Squirrel Hill. It was one the best seafood restaurants in the city.


As I was looking for a picture of the Jenkins Arcade (in respose to your wonderful shot of the Pgh skyline from Heinz Field) I ran across this:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3190/is_/ai_109669133

When I was a kid the Park Schenley was the epitome of fine dining in Pittsburgh. I dined there once when I was 19 and on a date; I sweat bullets when I measured the prices on the menu vis a vis the $$$ in my pocket. I left with literally one thin dime even afterstiffing them on the tip.

It was a good thing that I had already gotten our tickets to see the first run of "A Man for All Seasons" at the King's Court on the way - and that my date didn't want any popcorn after that dinner! That was Spring Break, 1967.

Since, I have enjoyed Le Mont and Klein's many times, thankfully with AMEX Platinum in my pocket. (BTW: does the German sommelier still work at Le Mont? Even though I'd visit only every other year or so he'd remember me and say "Ah, Mr. ..., I see you have another lady, even more beautiful than the last)"!

I read in the article that the gentleman mentioned therein now owns Le Mont. Did his plans to resurrect Klein's and the Park Schenley ever pan out?
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/01 12:31:52 (permalink)
I had one LeMont experience..... I was a little bit pregnant and a relative invited my 'then' hubby and I to dinner at the LeMont.... Hubby ordered escargot (which I now love) - - and my little bit pregnant tummy rebelled... I spent a goodly portion of my meal in the Ladies room, and ended up having a glass of ginger ale and and order of dry toast for dinner.... Sigh.....
That is just one more reason that he is my ex.....
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/01 22:37:23 (permalink)
MetroplexJim - There has been no resurrection of either Klein's or the Park Schenley.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/02 08:51:32 (permalink)
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MetroplexJim - There has been no resurrection of either Klein's or the Park Schenley.


I'm not surprised. The guy in the article was very successful in another line of business and had gotten bit by the "restaurant bug". I did the same thing in DC and was lucky to survive with my personal credit intact!

At least Le Mont survives:

http://www.lemontpittsburgh.com/LeMont/index.htm

A short while back USA Today calls the vista one enjoys from their windows "one of the 10 best views in America".
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/06 17:22:48 (permalink)
From Business Week, 11/5/08 - Best cities to ride out a recession
Pittsburgh ranked 7th out of 20.

Share of jobs in strong industries: 41.8%
Number of workers: 136,529
Metro area unemployment rate: 5.6%
Agriculture jobs: 0.17%
Professional, Scientific, and Technical jobs (legal, accounting etc.): 7.18%
Education jobs: 13.80%
Health-care jobs: 16.17%
Public Administration (Government) jobs: 4.52%

Residents of Pittsburgh, once a steel town, are now employed in fields such as biomedical, health, and education. Two of the major employers: University of Pittsburgh and the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. The city does have some vulnerable industries, especially manufacturing, which makes up 6% of jobs.

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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/06 17:48:52 (permalink)
True about the eoconmy. And check out what $895,000 will buy you near Pittsburgh Click "FEATURED TOUR button):
http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?loc=new+castle+pa&sid=1de07a04df064500a63239735ad664f0&lid=1098441230&lsn=6&srcnt=571

versus what that sum will buy you in, say Newport Beach:
http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?loc=newport+beach%2c+ca&mnp=800000&mxp=900000&sid=1e6c5adb4add4560989b4a9adf74ed9a&lid=1103568877&lsn=8&srcnt=33

or Arlington, VA:
http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?loc=22207&mnp=850000&mxp=900000&sid=93f4312ad8c449a1abe707c534511764&lid=1103613775&lsn=6&srcnt=10

Even funnier comparisons could be made for $350,000 except that you can't even buy a parking space for that in Newport Beach or Arlington, VA!

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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/06 18:02:26 (permalink)
Metro..Do the homes include the property taxes I guess everything is relative. I have no idea if Pittsburgh's homes are reasonable compared to what? Not in the part of Florida that I live in. I know my sister's taxes in Squirrel Hill are very, very high.

I have about an acre of land and this home would be a lot more money in Pittsburgh...A lot more. We should all google earth our homes with each other. I know Al has a lot of land!!

Actually, the homes being shown are not in Pittsburgh are they? Maybe that Mulhall one? Actually, they are cheaper...a home on 2 acres for $399,000 that is pretty reasonable. Hard to compare...Anyway.

Isn't it amazing the number of posts always generated when it has something to do with Pittsburgh. I have to believe this is the most popular city to discuss in the USA on roadfood.com. Can it be that most of you have lived in Pittsburgh (Like I have) at one time in your lives?

I know WJ and TM and Greg travel, but there just seems to be so many of you who know Pittsburgh so well. It also is a city that really lends itself to roadfood...Perhaps number one roadfood place in the USA? Especially when you factor in the reasonable prices for food in Pittsburgh.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/06 18:22:11 (permalink)
Let's ask the Experts, The Sterns, for their opinion on which city they consider to be the #1, Top Dog, Numero Uno, King of the Hill Roodfood place in the USA! Now that ought to spark a forest fire of conversation on here!!
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/07 18:20:09 (permalink)
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Metro..Do the homes include the property taxes I guess everything is relative.


My point was that one can buy a 14,000+ s.f. "palace" (on 7+ acres - in stone with extraordinary interior detail - complete with a "Sub-Zero/Vulcan" kitchen, an indoor pool, and a marble library) near Pittsburgh for the price of a scruffy 1,200 s.f. condo in Newport or a "cracker box" in Arlington, VA.

Here's another one I am familiar with in Washington, PA for $160,000 LESS:

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?loc=washington+pa&sid=860f5575c6854aad8efe9c6bed1612a5&lid=1104247165&lsn=7&srcnt=353

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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/07 18:27:28 (permalink)
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We should all google earth our homes with each other.


O.K.

Even though we have twice the land, a corner lot, one more garage, and more "upgrades", here is my house's architectural "twin", less than a mile from us here in McKinney, TX:

http://www.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?loc=75070&mnp=270000&mxp=270000&sid=acfc365792f046a48759ba7c893a96ef&lid=1103816167&lsn=1&srcnt=1
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/07 18:31:40 (permalink)
Let's get off the "Real Estate Kick' and back to P-Burgh Memories. All you RE Brokers and salespeople go to another place!
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/07 23:12:51 (permalink)
Someone from this forum was fortunate enough to go to Pittsburgh today... dine at Pamela's and at Tessaro's... and take this picture.



It's 11PM, and I have way too many pictures to sort through and edit. I knew that one was going to be good! I'll give a Roadfood trip report and put up some pictures but probably not until Sunday morning.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/08 01:58:59 (permalink)
Hey Mosca..Hope maybe you are going to show pictures of Tessaro's and Pamela's....That would be great. I don't think anyone has ever put pictures of Tessaro's on roadfood.com before.....Looking forward to your report. Terrific photo of the incline!
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/08 06:11:03 (permalink)
Wow, that is a beautiful photo of the incline - - it rivals any of the professional ones that I have seen..... Now bring on the photos of the food!!!!
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/08 08:18:57 (permalink)
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Let's get off the "Real Estate Kick' and back to P-Burgh Memories. All you RE Brokers and salespeople go to another place!


No one is "selling" anything except the fact that Pittsburgh remains a great - and sanely priced - place to live!

Edit to mention that the "Johnson Mansion" in New Castle and the "Smith Mansion" in Washington, PA were two of my "Pittsburgh memories" - the "dream homes" of my boyhood that now sell for less than what a 1,200 sf condo goes for in Newport Beach, CA or a "crackerbox" goes for in Arlington, VA.
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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/08 09:02:24 (permalink)
Mosca, That's postcard quality. Stunning colors.

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RE: Pittsburgh Memories of the 2,000,000 who moved 2008/11/08 09:21:27 (permalink)
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Mosca, That's postcard quality. Stunning colors.




Thanks, man! I'm at work today, but I am just so eager to get at the pictures and post them! Yes, I have shots of Tessaro's, inside, outside, and burgers. I can't say if it's one of the best burgers in America; I have limited scope for that claim. But is is one damn good burger, better than most steaks I've eaten.
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