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Sundancer7

Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 1:52 PM (permalink)
This morning I pulled out my Oyster bread machine.  I made some sourdough bread for breakfast.  I started it at 4:00AM and it was ready by 7:00AM.  Just in time for use with some of Mamaw Smith's strawberry freezer jam and butter with Mello Joy coffee.
 
Outstanding except I wish I could have made it rise more.  I was sorta wondering if I doubled up on the yeast, would it create more air bubbles and rise better?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Paul E. Smith
Knoxville, TN 
 
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    ScreamingChicken

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    Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 1:58 PM (permalink)
    How old was the yeast?  I don't have my bread machine manual handy but I think I recall reading something about older yeast not being as active.
     
    What about adding a little bit of honey to give the yeast more to feed on?
     
    Brad
     
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      Sundancer7

      Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 2:32 PM (permalink)
      I do not know the age of the yeast but I just bought it.  Would sugar work better than honey???
       
      Paul E. Smith
      Knoxville,tn
       
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        CCinNJ

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        Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 2:36 PM (permalink)
        If you check it right before bake cycle and it is very dry...it is harder to get a rise.

        Are you using quick rise or bread machine yeast?
         
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          Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 2:42 PM (permalink)
          Paul, the best way to use your machine is to  set it on manuel control  (or dough)  When it is finished (1 1/2 hours)  take it out and shape it into loaf and put into greased bread pan.  Cover with towel.  If kitchen is cool, it may take as long as two hours to raise nicely .  I alway set my oven to 150 degrees for two minutes and then turn the oven off.  I then put the bread (covered with towel into oven to raise.  It is usuually ready in one hour done this way
           
          Then remove the towel turn oven on to  350 degrees and bake for 40 minutes.  You will have a perfect loaf of bread.  I make bread nearly every day.  I also make  rolls,  hot dog rolls, and hamburger bun using this method.  Everything comes out perfectly this way!
           
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            edwmax

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            Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 4:00 PM (permalink)
            I had the same problem last weekend.   I made 7 or 8 loaves of bread my bread machine. Only one got a good rise.    ... What I figured out was, the sugar needs to be doubled  2 TBS instead of 1 and more yeast, 1 1/2 tsp instead of 1.    ... The next problem was the tops fell making it sunken.  I think this problem is because of too much Cisco. I will cut this on the next loaf; I believe the amount of water is OK.
             
            Salt and oil (Cisco) will retard the yeast action.
             
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              Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 4:40 PM (permalink)
              I don't use a bread machine as I make my breads and pizza dough by hand. First and foremost is to use fresh yeast. I keep mine in the refrigerator. Secondly, I use filtered water as the chlorine in tap water can be damaging to yeast. You can do the same letting the water sit for a few hours before using it. The water also has to be warm but not hot. lastly, even though I will use the fast acting bread machine yeast that can be mixed right into the flour, I will premix it with the water and a pinch of sugar for two reasons - one to give it a 10 minute boost before mixing it in with the flour, and two, it is the best way to observe and make sure the yeast is active. With pizza dough I like to ferment the dough ball at least overnight in the fridge. That way you can get by with less yeast so the dough does not taste as yeasty.
               
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                lleechef

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                Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 5:10 PM (permalink)
                I also don't use a bread machine.  I agree with everything Davydd has said above.  The one thing I learned is to ignore that "let rise 1 1/2 hours or until doubled in bulk".  Forget about the time.  Temperature, humidity and altitude have a lot to do with yeast.  Sometimes it has taken my dough 3 hours to double.  Just be patient. 
                 
                But then there was the time I decided to capture wild yeast in the air.......no, I won't go into that here.
                 
                Guess I never thought of getting a bread machine because my great-grandmother, grandfather and mother all made it by hand.   
                 
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                  Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 5:33 PM (permalink)
                  I love my bread machine.  Being a household engineer in a family of 6, with 2 loads of laundry to do every day, transporting kids to sports, dentist appointments , etc, I need to save all the time  that I can.  The bread machine makes it feasible for me to bake 90 percent of our bread products.  I would hate to give it up. Oh yes, I also make wonderful meals for the family.
                  <message edited by Greymo on Thu, 02/2/12 5:35 PM>
                   
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                    Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 6:50 PM (permalink)
                    lleechef

                    But then there was the time I decided to capture wild yeast in the air.......no, I won't go into that here.

                     
                    Alaskan Wild Yeast??
                     
                    Some of the best sourdough I have ever et came from Alaska, and a VERY old starter.
                     
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                      CCinNJ

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                      Re:Bread making Thu, 02/2/12 7:17 PM (permalink)
                      Delicious little pretzel bites are a favorite thanks to the bread machine dough setting.
                       
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                        Re:Bread making Fri, 02/3/12 6:12 PM (permalink)
                        One Thing...if you ARE going to use a bread machine...............ok.2 things. With Sourdough, set it for the longest process you have.usually whole wheat.......and.sometimes..it's worth re-starting after the first knead.  Second......Sugar will work better than honey with the yeast.
                         
                        Extra Yeast...not gonna make much difference
                         
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                          lleechef

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                          Re:Bread making Sat, 02/4/12 6:02 PM (permalink)
                          CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.
                           
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                            Re:Bread making Sat, 02/4/12 6:29 PM (permalink)
                            lleechef


                            CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.

                             
                            awaiting the story with fire extinguisher handy
                             
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                              Re:Bread making Sat, 02/4/12 8:49 PM (permalink)
                              I am not allowed to post a link as of yet but on Yahoodotcom one of the articles is
                              about using your Microwave as a proofer for dough.  It is #7 on the list. You can find it at
                              shinedotyahoo.com/shine-food/7-unexpected-uses-for-your-microwave.   It might be
                              worth a try.  
                               
                              TM  
                               
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                                Re:Bread making Sun, 02/5/12 10:34 AM (permalink)
                                CajunKing


                                lleechef


                                CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.


                                awaiting the story with fire extinguisher handy

                                Trust me, you're going to need it.  It's a gem of a story. 

                                 
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                                  3 Olives

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                                  Re:Bread making Thu, 02/9/12 6:32 PM (permalink)
                                  Sundancer7


                                  This morning I pulled out my Oyster bread machine.  I made some sourdough bread for breakfast.  I started it at 4:00AM and it was ready by 7:00AM.  Just in time for use with some of Mamaw Smith's strawberry freezer jam and butter with Mello Joy coffee.

                                  Outstanding except I wish I could have made it rise more.  I was sorta wondering if I doubled up on the yeast, would it create more air bubbles and rise better?

                                  Thanks for your thoughts.
                                  If it's sourdough why would you double your yeast? It's either sourdough or yeast..............

                                  Paul E. Smith
                                  Knoxville, TN 


                                   
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                                    CCinNJ

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                                    Re:Bread making Thu, 02/9/12 8:34 PM (permalink)
                                    Never made sourdough in the bread machine. You need yeast for a sourdough starter.
                                     
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                                      Re:Bread making Thu, 02/9/12 9:25 PM (permalink)
                                      lleechef


                                      CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.

                                      If you tell your story in Nashville, I'll tell my exploding Boston cream pie story.
                                       
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                                        Sundancer7

                                        Re:Bread making Fri, 02/10/12 12:07 PM (permalink)
                                        I bought some special bread flour.  Somehow it is different that just regular flour.  I have made some yeast rolls that were outstanding in a muffin pan.  This morning I made some doughnuts using my deep fryer..  I made the first a little too small and frosted them with powdered sugar, vanilla and water.  The glaze and taste was outstanding however I am making them again with a larger doughnut.  They rise beautiful.
                                         
                                        I also made some cinnamon rolls from the dough.  I rolled the dough pretty thin, coated the rollout dough with melted unsalted butter, sugar and cinnamon and after they rose, I baked them for about 20 minutes and dipped them in the powdered sugar, water and vanilla.  Very good.
                                         
                                        Paul E. Smith
                                        Knoxville, TN
                                         
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                                          Re:Bread making Fri, 02/10/12 1:31 PM (permalink)
                                          Davydd


                                          I don't use a bread machine as I make my breads and pizza dough by hand. First and foremost is to use fresh yeast. I keep mine in the refrigerator. Secondly, I use filtered water as the chlorine in tap water can be damaging to yeast. You can do the same letting the water sit for a few hours before using it. The water also has to be warm but not hot. lastly, even though I will use the fast acting bread machine yeast that can be mixed right into the flour, I will premix it with the water and a pinch of sugar for two reasons - one to give it a 10 minute boost before mixing it in with the flour, and two, it is the best way to observe and make sure the yeast is active. With pizza dough I like to ferment the dough ball at least overnight in the fridge. That way you can get by with less yeast so the dough does not taste as yeasty.

                                          What I find interesting is that I brew beer, and the similarities between bread making and beer brewing are amazing! In beer making, good water, good yeast, and correct temps are key, and it looks as though the same could be said of bread!
                                           
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                                            Re:Bread making Mon, 02/13/12 5:11 PM (permalink)
                                            CCinNJ


                                            Never made sourdough in the bread machine. You need yeast for a sourdough starter.


                                            Never use yeast in a sourdough starter. You can use it with a sourdough starter but you're not going to get the same flavor.
                                             
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                                              CCinNJ

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                                              Re:Bread making Mon, 02/13/12 6:33 PM (permalink)
                                              Sorry. In conjunction with the sourdough starter for the bread machine.
                                               
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                                                lleechef

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                                                Re:Bread making Mon, 02/13/12 6:41 PM (permalink)
                                                will_work_4_bbq


                                                lleechef


                                                CajunKing, I will tell that horriffic story sometime here.  But I think I will be obligated to tell the true, firey, sourdough capturing experience in Nashville.  And I do mean FIERY.

                                                If you tell your story in Nashville, I'll tell my exploding Boston cream pie story.

                                                You're on!  But don't forget, NO exaggeration!! 

                                                <message edited by lleechef on Mon, 02/13/12 6:44 PM>
                                                 
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                                                  Re:Bread making Fri, 08/17/12 3:32 AM (permalink)
                                                  I make bread occasionally and it usually turns out pretty well. The main tips seem to be to get really good strong flour, knead it really well for a long time, pulling and stretching as you turn it
                                                   
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                                                    Re:Bread making Fri, 08/17/12 4:09 AM (permalink)
                                                    The type of flour makes a difference.
                                                    Bread machine flour and bread flour are the same thing, according to KingArthurFlour.com. Bread flour and all-purpose flour are not. According to TLC Cooking, the main difference between types of flour is the gluten content. All-purpose flour is made from a blend of high-gluten hard wheat and low-gluten soft wheat, with up to 14 percent less protein than bread flour. Bread flour is an unbleached blend of mostly hard wheat, giving it a high gluten content. All-purpose flour can be used for bread baking, but the resulting loaves won't be as successful as those made with bread flour.
                                                     
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                                                      Re:Bread making Fri, 08/17/12 4:14 AM (permalink)
                                                      The type of yeast makes a difference.
                                                      Active dry yeast takes twice as long to rise as bread machine yeast. Traditional yeast needs two risings compared with only one with bread machine yeast. Bread machine yeast is more finely ground so it absorbs moisture faster. The sugars convert sooner to carbon dioxide and make the dough rise.
                                                      Active dry yeast creates a stronger signature yeast taste and aroma. Bread machine yeast has a more subtle smell and taste.
                                                       
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                                                        Re:Bread making Sat, 08/18/12 12:33 AM (permalink)
                                                        Foodbme......you are correct on flour..............and also air humidity can affect how well the flour granules absorb and rise. If you..OP.. are gonna use a bread machine for the full cycle ( I only use it to mix most times), a few tricks:
                                                         
                                                        Add a tsp or 2 of lemon juice.the acid helps the yeast and much better than adding more yeast which gives it an off flavor
                                                         
                                                        You add anything besides flour liquid, yeast, and salt.............let the machine run through the first knead cycle. Shut it off......wait 20-30 minutes,,start over from scratch.and if you have a Whole Wheat Settting...even better.  My Zoji makes great Sourdough and Whole wheat "Sandwich-style" loaves doing that
                                                         
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                                                          Re:Bread making Sat, 08/18/12 3:50 AM (permalink)
                                                          My Grandma made delicious Breads. She always used "Cake Yeast" AKA fresh compressed yeast. Here's a source for yeast and other baking products. You can sign up for their "Frequent Flour" Program  and accumulate points towards future purchases. http://nybakers.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6
                                                           
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                                                            Antilope

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                                                            Re:Bread making Mon, 12/24/12 9:25 PM (permalink)
                                                            REAL SOURDOUGH BREAD IN A BREAD MACHINE

                                                            If your machine has separate DOUGH and BAKE cycles, you can use it to make real sourdough bread.
                                                            I use separate DOUGH and BAKE cycles on my Bread Machine. This allows the sourdough to rise at its own rate without using any yeast.

                                                            I use Carl's 1847 Oregon Trail Sourdough. You can get a dried starter for free with a self addressed stamped envelope. Just Google Carl's 1847 Oregon Trail Sourdough. An older gentleman use to give away starter that was in his family for over 100 years. After he died, his internet friends continue to send out free sourdough starter. I've kept my starter alive in the fridge for about 5 years now.

                                                            Ingredients:
                                                            For 1 1/2-lb. loaf

                                                            2/3 cup lukewarm water 
                                                            1/2 cup active sourdough starter (bubbly and active)
                                                            1 Tablespoon granulated sugar
                                                            1 1/2 teaspoons table salt
                                                            2 Tablespoons olive oil
                                                            3 1/2 cups All-Purpose Flour

                                                            Place ingredients in bread machine in order given above or according to your bread machines instructions.
                                                             
                                                            Start bread machine on DOUGH cycle.

                                                            I use a rubber spatula to help the bread maker, if needed, for the first couple of minutes of mixing by pushing any dry lumps into the mixing blade. Adjust dough to proper consistency with more flour or water as needed to make a firm, non-sticky dough that could be kneaded by hand.

                                                            Let the machine bread machine complete its DOUGH cycle kneading (about 1/2 hour) and rise (about 1 hour more).

                                                            Immediately after the kneading stops, I remove the kneading paddle and press the dough evenly into the bottom of the bread machine mixing pan. I then turn off my bread machine and unplug it.

                                                            I now monitor the dough and allow it to rise to the top of the mixing pan (It takes about 12 to 15 hours for mine. This can vary depending on your starter, room temperature, etc.).

                                                            When the dough has risen to the top of the bread pan, I start the manual BAKE cycle. My machine bakes the bread for 1 hour.

                                                            Remove from machine immediately, slice off fresh baked pieces, spread with butter and enjoy.

                                                            Makes one 1 1/2 lb loaf.
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