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pnwchef

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The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 10:35 AM (permalink)
IMHO, and I realize everyone like their burger many many different ways. I have worked in the food business for many years, I learned along time ago, I was doing my customer an injustice by telling them how something should be ordered and consumed. The day l removed the halo, thinking It was up to me to tell people how they should eat, or how their food should be prepared. When I designed menus, I always designed the recipes to meet the requirements and tastes of the majority of my customers. As a Chef, it was up to me to use the right amount of seasonings, not to over power,but, to blend for the taste I was looking for, for my customers.
   I watch some of the food shows, I see burgers that are twice the size of my mouth, sometimes even larger. My feeling is, the building of a perfect burger, should be, that, with every bite, a person should get a taste of everything on the burger. A burger should not me eaten with a knife and fork, a Burger should be eaten by picking it up and taking a bit.
The building of the Perfect burger........
1: The bun s/b made so it does not fall apart when eating, should be able to carry the weight of everything on it.
 
2: Lettuce s/b crisp I feel ice burg is the best, I think most restaurants use green leaf lettuce because it looks   better, and they are able to lay out a try of burger set-ups for faster service. I like the crunch of fresh ice burg lettuce.
 
3: The tomato s/b firm and full of flavor, I shake my head when I eat tomatoes in the winter. The tomato should not be to juicy so it drips and makes the burger a watery mess.
 
4: Bacon, s/b full of flavor, not greasy, not over or under cooked. A nice pepper bacon going real nice on a burger.
 
5: Mushrooms, fresh, sauteed in butter, not over or under cooked.
 
6: I put raw onion under the cheese just before I meal the cheese on the burger. I always have a hard tome keeping a onion slice from sliding off the burger.
 
7: there are many choices of cheese, any soft melting cheese works, just make sure its melted and running over the side a bit.
 
8: The burger, The burger s/b a good blend of meat to fat ratio. I want my burger cooked about Medium, still a bit pink in the center, full of juices. I feel a burger has to cook so the fats melt and combine to give the true flavor of the burger. There are many blends that people like. I use a 26 day dry age on my cows making the burger into a 85/15 blend, this works for me.
 
9: I use Mayo on the top bun, I put ketchup on as I go, I feel dips and spreads are different for everyone.
 
This is my version of a good burger, a good burger just doesn't happen, it's planned. this version is what I had on had in the house. If I were building the perfect burger I would not use a Store bought mass market bun. I would build a bun that would stand up to the weight of the burger & toppings.
 
 This in my opinion of a good quality, homemade, Bacon Mushroom Cheese Burger........
 
I let the burger rest for a few minutes, I want the juices to stay in the burger. As you see, you can cook a medium burger without cooking the hell out of it.
 

 
This burger just fit in my mouth ( I have a big mouth) I was able to get all the toppings with every bit. The burger is soft and silky, jicy, well seasoned with salt and pepper and melts in your mouth.
 

 
pnwc
<message edited by pnwchef on Sat, 05/11/13 10:38 AM>
 
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    Davydd

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    Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 10:46 AM (permalink)
    Looks absolutely outstanding.
     
    You are forgiven for not liking that soggy bottom burger.
     
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      joerogo

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      Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 11:46 AM (permalink)
      Perfect!(without the mayo of course)
       
      I'll take a Chef over Google any day!  
       
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        chewingthefat

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        Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 12:01 PM (permalink)
        That looks fantastic Bill. That said, I can down a burger rare, med rare, med well, or well done. I love good burgers almost as much as bacon!!!
        One thing to add in making a perfect burger, my staff MUST only turn the burger once, if I ever catch a cook pressing down on a burger with the spatula, they are gone!
        What kind of cheese is that?
         
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          kland01s

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          Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 12:04 PM (permalink)
          Take away all that stuff on top (leave the mayo) and hold the ketchup. I want a burger, not a salad bar.
           
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            joerogo

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            Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 12:08 PM (permalink)
            I'm with BuddyRoadhouse on flipping it over as soon as the burger is served.
             
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              mar52

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              Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 1:31 PM (permalink)
              I'm hopping on my Segway and I'll be there in October.
              <message edited by mar52 on Sat, 05/11/13 2:13 PM>
               
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                easydoesit

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                Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 1:49 PM (permalink)
                mar52


                I'm hoping on my Segway and I'll be there in October.

                 Mar, do you really have a Segway?  How do you like it?  My wife and I were considering a pair of them. but they are pricey -- for two, with some amenities, we were quoted about 15000.  I suspect there was negotiating room, but that's still pretty pricey for a toy.
                 
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                  easydoesit

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                  Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 1:57 PM (permalink)
                  pnwchef-
                  what a great description of each ingredient, and you are right that the biggest thing is proportion, and every ingredient contributes.
                   
                  I am thinking hard about the cheese and onion, though.  I always thought the cheese should be on top of the meat (gets more melty), and the onion on top of that.  With the cheese starting to soften a bit, it seems to hold the raw onion slices in place okay.  And I love a good, thick slice of a perfect raw onion.
                   
                  I'll often add extra salt and pepper to the onion slices, just because that's what I do with a plain onion sandwich (bread, butter, onion, s&p).
                   
                  But how about sautéed?  Sometimes a perfect burger is meat, cheese and fried onion, plain, no other condiments, maybe a toasted bun.
                   
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                    pnwchef

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                    Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 2:10 PM (permalink)
                    easydoesit, I agree on the onion, I like a think slice of a good onion. I'm 50 miles from Walla Walla so the onions are great. There are times a burger & cheese and a think slice of onion is great. I also love Caramelized onion, ...........My point was just what you said " Proportion" and enjoying each element in every bite.
                     
                    Mar, I'll be waiting for you burger in hand, will you be pulling Sharon in a wagon behind the Segway...............
                     
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                      mar52

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                      Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 2:14 PM (permalink)
                      I do  not have a Segway.  It was a total dream.
                       
                      However, if you're really thinking about two, look at these:
                       
                      http://www.scootercatalog...-electric-scooter.html
                       
                      They're not the same, but for a toy you'll get the same thrill at a fraction of the price.
                       
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                        iluvcfood

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                        Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 3:08 PM (permalink)
                        easydoesit


                        pnwchef-
                        what a great description of each ingredient, and you are right that the biggest thing is proportion, and every ingredient contributes.

                        I am thinking hard about the cheese and onion, though.  I always thought the cheese should be on top of the meat (gets more melty), and the onion on top of that.  With the cheese starting to soften a bit, it seems to hold the raw onion slices in place okay.  And I love a good, thick slice of a perfect raw onion.

                        I'll often add extra salt and pepper to the onion slices, just because that's what I do with a plain onion sandwich (bread, butter, onion, s&p).

                        But how about sautéed?  Sometimes a perfect burger is meat, cheese and fried onion, plain, no other condiments, maybe a toasted bun.

                        You are absolutely correct......  the onion should ALWAYS go on top of the cheese!
                        The good thing about burgers is that they can be prepared/cooked/grilled in SO many ways!
                        Burger topped with cheese....avocado, lettuce and onions.
                        Burgers grilled with sliced bits of Jalapenos sunk into them.
                        Burgers topped with Pineapple slices.
                        Burgers topped with bacon.
                        Burgers with 1000 Island dressing instead of Mayo.
                        There are 100s of ways to build a good Burger but ONE thing is for sure........NEVER put Ketchup on a Burger..........if you must use something........use BBQ sauce or Mustard!  I am also not a fan of using lettuce on Burgers either as it gets wilty and just doesnt do it justice! 
                        Chutney is also a VERY good topping! 
                        Dont forget the proven method of putting two Patties together with a BIG hunk of cheese between and grille em that way!  
                         
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                          TJ Jackson

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                          Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 3:31 PM (permalink)
                          -6oz 80/20 coarsely ground mostly or all chuck seasoned with salt pepper and garlic, cooked on a very hot flat top to medium rare
                          -Caramelized onion
                          -Sharp american, two slices, one above and one below the patty
                          -Grilled sesame seeded bun
                          -Optional lettuce and tomato
                           
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                            leethebard

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                            Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 3:35 PM (permalink)
                            "Never put ketchup on a Burger"?????....and why not? Please put the words, in my opinion, in front of that. Millions of Americans, I am sure, love ketchup on a good burger........As you say the great thing about burgers, like good pizza, is anything goes, if you like it , eat it!!
                             
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                              ChrisOC

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                              Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 4:02 PM (permalink)
                              There are also millions of Americans who put ketchup on their hotdogs
                               
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                                mar52

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                                Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 4:03 PM (permalink)
                                Forrest Gump Burgers!
                                 
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                                  pnwchef

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                                  Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 4:04 PM (permalink)
                                  Sorry guys the ketchup was behind the burger like this. I like having ketchup on every bite. I guess never doesn't work for me either.........
                                   

                                   
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                                    kland01s

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                                    Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 4:47 PM (permalink)
                                    Too much extra crap. I'd be peeling about everything thing off. If I want a burger, I want a burger, why don't people understand that?? Good meat, cooked MR, a little seasoning and I will add on the little extra I like myself.
                                     
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                                      chewingthefat

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                                      Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 4:52 PM (permalink)
                                      Mighty fine looking BACON on that mighty fine looking burger!
                                      I like Mustard on a Cheeseburger, Ketchup on a plain burger, nothing on a bacon Cheeseburger.
                                       
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                                        Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 4:52 PM (permalink)
                                        pnwchef


                                        Sorry guys the ketchup was behind the burger like this. I like having ketchup on every bite. I guess never doesn't work for me either.........



                                        And that is not a knife and fork burger?
                                         
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                                          Sundancer7

                                          Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 5:11 PM (permalink)
                                          kland01s


                                          Too much extra crap. I'd be peeling about everything thing off. If I want a burger, I want a burger, why don't people understand that?? Good meat, cooked MR, a little seasoning and I will add on the little extra I like myself.

                                          We all like what we like.  That is the reason there is chocolate and vanilla.  I understand why you like it your way.  Others are always different.
                                           
                                          Paul E. Smith
                                          Knoxville, TN
                                           
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                                            pnwchef

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                                            Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 5:22 PM (permalink)
                                            chewingthefat


                                            Mighty fine looking BACON on that mighty fine looking burger!
                                            I like Mustard on a Cheeseburger, Ketchup on a plain burger, nothing on a bacon Cheeseburger.


                                            Chewy, you kill me, you need to bring a note book with you to figure out all those combos. I agree, you likes 'em, like you likes 'em....................
                                             
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                                              pnwchef

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                                              Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 5:25 PM (permalink)
                                              CajunKing


                                              pnwchef


                                              Sorry guys the ketchup was behind the burger like this. I like having ketchup on every bite. I guess never doesn't work for me either.........



                                              And that is not a knife and fork burger?

                                               this is the exact burger thats at the top of the page. It's a two handed burger, but, not a knife and fork burger. I wouldn't eat a knife burger,,,,,,,,,,,,
                                              Thats the
                                               
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                                                chewingthefat

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                                                Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 5:27 PM (permalink)
                                                Bill, Google Peanut Butter Burger, I got to try one, Bacon Peanut Butter Burger!
                                                 
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                                                  pnwchef

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                                                  Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 5:38 PM (permalink)
                                                  chewingthefat


                                                  Bill, Google Peanut Butter Burger, I got to try one, Bacon Peanut Butter Burger!


                                                  Tom, I figure if the maple bacon donut looks good, why not a peanut butter bacon burger...........wonder what kind of bear goes with that.................I have found bacon to be better than sex, I could get bacon any where.
                                                   
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                                                    Root-Beer Man

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                                                    Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 9:16 PM (permalink)
                                                    chewingthefat


                                                    Bill, Google Peanut Butter Burger, I got to try one, Bacon Peanut Butter Burger!

                                                    A Duane Purvis Burger? They're famous at the Triple XXX in Lafayette, Indiana. Not a fan, myself. I like their other burgers, but the Purvis is hugely popular.
                                                     
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                                                      will_work_4_bbq

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                                                      Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sat, 05/11/13 11:45 PM (permalink)
                                                      What a beauty!
                                                       
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                                                        kland01s

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                                                        Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sun, 05/12/13 12:31 AM (permalink)
                                                        Sundancer7


                                                        kland01s


                                                        Too much extra crap. I'd be peeling about everything thing off. If I want a burger, I want a burger, why don't people understand that?? Good meat, cooked MR, a little seasoning and I will add on the little extra I like myself.

                                                        We all like what we like.  That is the reason there is chocolate and vanilla.  I understand why you like it your way.  Others are always different.

                                                        Paul E. Smith
                                                        Knoxville, TN

                                                         
                                                        On the mark Paul!! Chocolate wins for me but not on a burger!!
                                                         
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                                                          Foodbme

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                                                          Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sun, 05/12/13 2:46 AM (permalink)
                                                          I like any burger except the ones that everything slips out and the bun disintegrates!!!
                                                           
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                                                            rneiner

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                                                            Re:The Perfect Burger IMHO Sun, 05/12/13 8:20 AM (permalink)
                                                            how about a little ground brisket and bacon mixed in with the beef.
                                                             
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