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 Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger

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scrumptiouschef

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Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Fri, 05/17/13 3:02 PM (permalink)
At our next pop up restaurant event we're duplicating the burgers from the 4 restaurants that have the strongest claim as to being the "inventor" of the form.
 
As near as we can tell here's how Charlie Nagreen was doing it way back in 1885
Cooking implement: cast iron pan
Cooking medium: cow's butter
Topping: sweet onion, dill pickle
Bread: White, loaf bread
In keeping with Mr Nagreen's original formula this hamburger is a double patty with an onion in the middle.
 
Any Wisconsin burger experts who can add knowledge to this formula? thanks
 
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    BuddyRoadhouse

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    Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Fri, 05/17/13 9:18 PM (permalink)
    Wisconsin?  And it wasn't a Cheeseburger???  This whole operation is suspect before it even gets off the ground!
     
    Just kidding.  I have nothing else to add and I'm bored in a Friday night.
     
    Buddy
     
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      ScreamingChicken

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      Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Fri, 05/17/13 11:12 PM (permalink)
      Supposedly the cheeseburger didn't come along until well into the 1900s...the 1920s, maybe?
       
      When I drove through Seymour a couple of years ago I was disappointed that aside from the sign on the outskirts of town there didn't seem to be much visible burger pride.  No sign proclaiming, "The Hub Tap - Where We Make 'Em Like Charlie Did!", no year-round billboard for the annual hamburger festival, no nothing.  Maybe I just happened to take the wrong route but it was state highway 55 from the southern to the northern border and I expected to see a little more celebration.
       
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        ces1948

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        Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Fri, 05/17/13 11:41 PM (permalink)
        Interesting idea putting a thin slice or chopped onion between two patties.
         
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          Davwud

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          Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Sun, 05/19/13 1:34 PM (permalink)
          "At our next pop up restaurant event we're duplicating the burgers from the 4 restaurants that have the strongest claim as to being the "inventor" of the form."
           
          So other than Hamburger Charlie, who are the other three??
           
          DT
           
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            Wintahaba

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            Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Sun, 05/19/13 1:46 PM (permalink)
            From Burgerology and other sources...
            1) Hamburger made in Seymour, Wisconsin in 1885. The first claim is that Charlie Nagreen (“Hamburger Charlie”) sold meatballs from his ox-drawn food stand at the Outagamie County Fair. Since meatballs were difficult to eat for the visitors at the fair he flattened them and placed them between two slices of bread.
             
            2) Hamburger made in Akron, Ohio (or Hamburg, New York) in 1885.The family of Frank and Charles Menches of Akron, Ohio, claims the two brothers invented the hamburger while traveling at fairs in the early 1880′s.
             
            3) Hamburger served in New Haven, Connecticut by Louis Lassen in 1900. According to family legend, one day in 1900 a local businessman came into the small New Haven lunch wagon and pleaded for a lunch to go.
             
            4) Hamburger made in Athens, Texas in the late 1880′s. Fletcher Davis aka “Old Dave” a local pottery business man opened a lunch counter in the late 1880′s and some oral history support that he was selling an unnamed sandwich of ground beef between two slices of bread.
             
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              Davwud

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              Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Sun, 05/19/13 10:19 PM (permalink)
              Ah. You missed my vote for inventor of the hamburger.
               
              http://www.webersoftulsa.com/webers_story.asp
               
              DT
               
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                easydoesit

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                Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Mon, 05/20/13 1:50 PM (permalink)
                While living not so far away from Seymour, we visited their hamburger days celebration maybe ten years ago for the first and last time.  It was a useless trip. First off, there was not one place in Seymour that sold hamburgers on a regular basis throughout the year (there was a fast food place, forget which, out on the highway).
                 
                We went there expecting to see some sights, or shows, or something worthwhile, but especially we each wanted a hamburger and a souvenir tee shirt. 
                 
                There was not much going on, they were cooking a giant hamburger, whoop-ti-do, but pretty much everything else was for the kids, face-painting, etc.  We went to the front gate, and admission was eight dollars each.  We could see the stands selling the burgers and tee shirts just inside, with whatever other events further on. 
                 
                We told the cashier we just wanted the two items, and could we just go over and get them, then leave.  Nope.  You pay the admission, or you don't get in.
                 
                We don't like being ripped off, so we went downtown and found a tavern with a sign outside offering burgers, that day only.  So we went in and had a beer with the locals, while we all commiserated that you couldn't find a burger in the famed home of the burger.
                 
                Then we took the money we would have spent in Seymour and donated it to a casino in Green Bay instead.
                 
                I wrote the Seymour Chamber of Commerce about how they were throwing sales away, should sell the burgers and shirts outside the grounds, never got a response.  Oh well, too bad, good-bye to them.
                 
                We did like the little burger museum downtown though, lots of old stuff.
                 
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                  Wintahaba

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                  Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Mon, 05/20/13 2:39 PM (permalink)
                  @easydoesit-I live 20 miles from Seymour and I could not agree with you more. They make a big deal about Charlie and the little museum is cool, but nothing else is promoted in the town. A restaurant/tavern featuring the "Best Original Burgers" and perhaps Burger Nights/car cruises/etc. weekly in the summer would do well and provide a reason for people to visit and stay more often.
                   
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                    scrumptiouschef

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                    Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Mon, 05/20/13 10:34 PM (permalink)
                    From Burgerology and other sources...
                    1) Hamburger made in Seymour, Wisconsin in 1885. The first claim is that Charlie Nagreen (“Hamburger Charlie”) sold meatballs from his ox-drawn food stand at the Outagamie County Fair. Since meatballs were difficult to eat for the visitors at the fair he flattened them and placed them between two slices of bread.
                     
                    2) Hamburger made in Akron, Ohio (or Hamburg, New York) in 1885.The family of Frank and Charles Menches of Akron, Ohio, claims the two brothers invented the hamburger while traveling at fairs in the early 1880′s.
                     
                    3) Hamburger served in New Haven, Connecticut by Louis Lassen in 1900. According to family legend, one day in 1900 a local businessman came into the small New Haven lunch wagon and pleaded for a lunch to go.
                     
                    4) Hamburger made in Athens, Texas in the late 1880′s. Fletcher Davis aka “Old Dave” a local pottery business man opened a lunch counter in the late 1880′s and some oral history support that he was selling an unnamed sandwich of ground beef between two slices of bread.
                     
                    Spot on. These are the 4 claimants that we will be celebrating
                     
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                      MilwFoodlovers

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                      Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Wed, 05/22/13 10:01 AM (permalink)
                      I had the same tale of woe as you did. We went and wanted a burger and had no interest in paying $$ solely for the right to spend $. We went to a Greek-type family restaurant and was told by the waitress that it was frozen patty, nothing special so we went to Green Bay instead to eat. Just a huge waste of time.  
                       
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                        kland01s

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                        Re:Seymour Wisconsin: Duplicating Hamburger Charlie Nagreen's Hamburger Wed, 05/22/13 10:37 AM (permalink)
                        Funny because the old Food Network show with Mark Summers that showed events you all mentioned, made a big to do about this a number of years ago. I remember the flipping the big burger part. Just shows you not to believe everything, I know I wouldn't have been happy if I drove any distance to see this.
                         
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