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EddyBees Dogs

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Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 3:20 AM (permalink)
How can I handle the payroll for when I do big events where I have one to five people helping? I mean in terms of costs and how I do my books.. I usually work alone, but sometimes I need "volunteers" for the events and festivals. I am not set up for workmans comp and all that right now. Do I need to be, or are there ways around it? Can I put the costs in another category? Under the radar, Eddy
 
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    John A

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    RE: Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 7:10 AM (permalink)
    I really do not think anyone is going to advise you how to cheat the IRS on an open forum.

    John
     
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      enginecapt

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      RE: Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 7:22 AM (permalink)
      Nor will the administrators allow it, if I may be so bold to assume.
       
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        bassrocker4u2

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        RE: Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 7:42 AM (permalink)
        there is a very simple way around it for you. temp agency. they usually have a wide assortment of personnel with varying experience. we used them all the time for big jobs that required much more staff than we had available. you pay one fee, and the agency does the rest.
         
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          Rootsman

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          RE: Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 11:11 AM (permalink)
          I don't believe you need workers comp for independent contractors?
           
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            tmiles

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            RE: Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 12:12 PM (permalink)
            "independent contractor" is a term that has gotten many a small businessperson in trouble. The rules are very hard to meet. As brassrocker says, a good temp agency can really help you.
             
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              EddyBees Dogs

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              RE: Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 1:33 PM (permalink)
              a temp agency sounds like a good idea. I am not cheating the IRS either, I needed to know how it gets accounted for in the books. I don't have any "payrolled" employees, so I was wondering how this worked. This is Colorado Law, not IRS
               
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                chicagostyledog

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                RE: Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 2:05 PM (permalink)
                Eddy, here's how to handle your situation. First check with your accountant: when you pay an employee as a sub contractor, you fill out a 1099 with your FEIN, business name, and address and the name, address, and social security number of the sub. You send the 1099 to the sub contractor and file a copy with your accountant at the end of your business tax year. The rules are different if you pay a sub contractor under $800 during the business year. Again, check with your accountant.

                CSD

                Born in Chicago
                Escaped to Wisconsin
                Selling Vienna Beef hot dogs & Polish
                 
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                  John A

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                  RE: Paying the help Thu, 04/27/06 5:19 PM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by EddyBees Dogs

                  How can I handle the payroll for when I do big events where I have one to five people helping? I mean in terms of costs and how I do my books.. I usually work alone, but sometimes I need "volunteers" for the events and festivals. I am not set up for workmans comp and all that right now. Do I need to be, or are there ways around it? Can I put the costs in another category? Under the radar, Eddy


                  Eddie,

                  Sorry if I misinterpreted your post, the last two sentences led me to believe you wanted to pay them under the table. CSD is on the right track, I imagine your accountant will advise you to prepare an Independent Contractors Agreement for them to sign, ours did, and he’s ex IRS. It’s easier to go the temporary agency route.

                  John
                   
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                    roossy90

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                    RE: Paying the help Fri, 04/28/06 3:53 AM (permalink)
                    "Other way's around it" is a very ambiguous term, and I suggest just what you mean by that.
                    I dont think that you want to avoid anything in this day and time.
                     
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                      enginecapt

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                      RE: Paying the help Fri, 04/28/06 8:58 AM (permalink)
                      At least not publically.
                       
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                        roossy90

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                        RE: Paying the help Fri, 04/28/06 12:48 PM (permalink)
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by enginecapt

                        At least not publically.

                        Amen!
                         
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                          prisonchef

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                          RE: Paying the help Fri, 04/28/06 4:04 PM (permalink)
                          eddy,
                          give this a try. got it from a friend that does state fairs in the midwest. get with the local 4H club. tell them what you are doing. many times they can provide kids who want some extra money. it works kind of like a temp agency but you are paying the local 4h. in the event a person gets hurt your liabilty insurance would pick up but my buddy only uses them for counter help and never in a cooking type situation.
                          just an idea
                           
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                            chicagostyledog

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                            RE: Paying the help Fri, 04/28/06 4:12 PM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by prisonchef

                            eddy,
                            give this a try. got it from a friend that does state fairs in the midwest. get with the local 4H club. tell them what you are doing. many times they can provide kids who want some extra money. it works kind of like a temp agency but you are paying the local 4h. in the event a person gets hurt your liabilty insurance would pick up but my buddy only uses them for counter help and never in a cooking type situation.
                            just an idea


                            In Wisconsin this would require a work permit for any person under the age of 18 and a peddler's license if they were working at an event.

                            CSD

                            Born in Chicago
                            Escaped to Wisconsin
                            Selling Vienna Beef hot dogs & Polish
                             
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                              PapaJoe8

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                              RE: Paying the help Fri, 04/28/06 7:58 PM (permalink)
                              I like the advice from Dog and Bass! No offence to the others.
                              Joe
                               
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                                djtomatoe

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                                RE: Paying the help Sun, 04/30/06 1:29 PM (permalink)
                                quote:
                                Originally posted by Rootsman

                                I don't believe you need workers comp for independent contractors?


                                i was an independant contractor with the state, and they paid nothing. it was all up to me
                                 
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                                  John A

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                                  RE: Paying the help Sun, 04/30/06 5:48 PM (permalink)
                                  CSD,

                                  Is it now $800.00, I thought it was $600.00 like gambling winnings, or has that changed also?

                                  Eddy, do yourself a favor and contact a temp agency. That way they are on the hook, not you.

                                  John

                                   
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