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Dr of BBQ

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Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Mon, 03/12/12 9:17 PM (permalink)
Small quantities of processed meat such as bacon, sausages or salami can increase the likelihood of dying by a fifth, researchers from Harvard School of Medicine found. Eating steak increases the risk of dying by 12%.
 

The study found that cutting the amount of red meat in peoples’ diets to 1.5 ounces (42 grams) a day, equivalent to one large steak a week, could prevent almost one in 10 early deaths in men and one in 13 in women.
 

The scientists said that the government’s current advice that people should eat no more than 2.5 ounces (70 grams) a day, around around the level the average Briton already consumes, was “generous”.
 

Dr Frank Hu, co-author of the study, said: “Given the growing evidence that even modest amounts of red meat is associated with increased risk of chronic disease and premature death, 2.5 ounces (70 grams) per day seems generous. The bottom line is that we should make red meat only an occasional rather than regular part of our diet.”
 

Red meat often contains high amounts of saturated fat, while bacon and salami contain large amounts of salt. Replacing red meat with poultry, fish or vegetables, whole grains and other healthy foods cut the risk of dying by up to one fifth, the study found.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.u...n-10-early-deaths.html

 
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    DWags541

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    Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Tue, 03/13/12 4:13 AM (permalink)
    I was listening to the news on this story today and I thought of all you guys, especially all the hot dog vendors.
     
    I'm sure people will be very slow to change their habits concerning meat considering how much of a comfort food it is. The journalist and Dr. Hu seemed almost apologetic as if not to create hysteria by telling people meat might shorten their life. I am sure it is the truth, especially with processed meats.
    I think it is important to consider the chemicals that may be transferring through foods grown/raised with pesticides, herbicides, hormones, anti-biotics, etc. I wouldn't think they would help the cause against cancer and other premature ailments.
     
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      edwmax

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      Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Tue, 03/13/12 7:14 AM (permalink)
      hummm  ... that didn't help Davy Jones. He was a long time vegetarian and jogged every morning; dead of a sudden heart attack.
       
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        stubby77

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        Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Tue, 03/13/12 8:06 AM (permalink)
        I think its interesting that all the media outlets I saw run with this story positively screamed "red meat kills people" but then they started talking about processed meats like bacon, salami, sausages, sliced deli meats like roast beef, ham and bologna...

        Made me think...doesn't anyone in our media do actual research anymore? With the exception of roast beef, everything else they named on every tv news I saw is made from pork, which...wait for it...isn't red meat!

        Shouldn't the headline have been "processed meat kills people"????

        Yet another reason I've lost all my respect for the media. My dad spent 35 years as first a reporter and later an editor at a major regional newspaper, and he finally took early retirement because he was tired of the constant fight with upper management over reporter's ethics and honesty. The last 5 or 6 years before he quit, he always would say "we're not journalists anymore...management wants us to be novelists now, because all we write is innuendo, lies, and fiction."
         
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          Dr of BBQ

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          Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Tue, 03/13/12 8:35 AM (permalink)
          pork, which...wait for it...isn't red meat!
           
          Sorry but pork is a red meat.
          Pork is and always has been red meat. The only real reason it was ever considered white meat is because the pork council decided back in the 80s that the term "red meat" had a bad stigma attached to it, and it was affecting sales. So they tried to cash in on the health food craze and it worked, sales went up.

          In pork's defense, it is much healthier today than it was 25 years ago. Pigs are raised and bred differently and the most popular cut of pork (the tenderloin) is now 42% less fat. Pork has changed, and is more healthy but it is still red meat.
           
          LOL then there is this part of the study"Scientists added that people who eat a diet high in red meat were also likely to be generally unhealthier because they were more likely to smoke, be overweight and not exercise."
          <message edited by Dr of BBQ on Tue, 03/13/12 9:08 AM>
           
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            lornaschinske

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            Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Tue, 03/13/12 12:04 PM (permalink)
            I take what a scientist/doctor says with a grain of salt. Every few years, they change what they say (take XX its good for you and you will live longer due to it... Don't take XX, it is bad for you , you need to be taking XY... Don't take XY, it's bad for you, you need to be taking XYZ.... don't take XYZ, it's bad for you, you should be taking XX because it turns out that it was good for you). Also some of the most unhealthy looking folks I have seen are scientists and doctors. Besides everything will kill you. At some point, you  will die.
             
            When the doctors released David from the hospital, they did NOT give him any restrictions on his diet. Only thing they said was he needed to quit smoking. Had monthly visits with the same heart specialist from March thru October. Every month we asked and doc said to just keep on eating what he had been eating. David didn't change his diet at all. Doctor never asked him to change his diet.
             
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              Barry Digman

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              Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Tue, 03/13/12 10:40 PM (permalink)
              My grandparents on both sides and my parents all lived in to their 90's. My parents ate 3 meals every day. It was a typical diet of bacon and eggs, soup and sandwichs, meat and potatoes. They ate lots of fresh veggies with it. And huge amounts of baked goods including home made bread. I think the key was genetics and eating as much fresh food as possible. They grew much of their fruit and veggies and bought the rest locally rather than using processed or canned goods. But they never really backed off of red meat until their late 80's.
               
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                DWags541

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                Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Tue, 03/13/12 11:22 PM (permalink)
                stubby77


                I think its interesting that all the media outlets I saw run with this story positively screamed "red meat kills people" but then they started talking about processed meats like bacon, salami, sausages, sliced deli meats like roast beef, ham and bologna...

                Made me think...doesn't anyone in our media do actual research anymore? With the exception of roast beef, everything else they named on every tv news I saw is made from pork, which...wait for it...isn't red meat!

                Shouldn't the headline have been "processed meat kills people"????

                Yet another reason I've lost all my respect for the media. My dad spent 35 years as first a reporter and later an editor at a major regional newspaper, and he finally took early retirement because he was tired of the constant fight with upper management over reporter's ethics and honesty. The last 5 or 6 years before he quit, he always would say "we're not journalists anymore...management wants us to be novelists now, because all we write is innuendo, lies, and fiction."

                That is a good point about the emphasis on processed meats. Even so, they were speculative about how processed meat is dangerous. Talked about the connection between iron in meat and nitrites combining to be carcinogenic.
                I thought about the "red meat" claim, but I gave them that because I think the obvious distinction was between meat like pork and beef versus lighter meats like chicken, turkey and fish. The only reason someone would not refer to pork as red meat was because they work for the National Pork Board.
                 
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                  DWags541

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                  Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Tue, 03/13/12 11:32 PM (permalink)
                  Barry Digman


                  My grandparents on both sides and my parents all lived in to their 90's. My parents ate 3 meals every day. It was a typical diet of bacon and eggs, soup and sandwichs, meat and potatoes. They ate lots of fresh veggies with it. And huge amounts of baked goods including home made bread. I think the key was genetics and eating as much fresh food as possible. They grew much of their fruit and veggies and bought the rest locally rather than using processed or canned goods. But they never really backed off of red meat until their late 80's.

                   
                  Genetics IS a big part of it. You can see this when you hear about these people that are living past 100. Usually, their parents also lived to a similar age.
                  But to use "its genetics" as a way to eat and smoke whatever you want is not very smart. I am pretty sure the rate of colorectal cancers have been on the rise in our culture and these are the types of cancers scientists are linking to diet.
                   
                  I guess you can also link lifestyle choices, like exercise. I am sure people who eat well consistently are also likely to have more active lifestyles. Or vice versa. So, there are other environmental factors to be considered.
                   
                  Sometimes you hear from smokers about their grandfather who lived to x old number of years, as if they had some ant-cancer running through their blood. Yea. Well, you can't deny the statistics that link cigarettes to cancer, and you can't say the cigarette companies haven't done and continued to do a great job of fighting this link as much as possible. Well, the lobbyists for mainstream agriculture has a big steak (pun intended!) in the image of and public consumption of meat products. That is why they fight the science that comes out, just like the cigarette companies have. I can just imagine, the cigarette companies probably blame cancer on red meat, right!? lol.
                   
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                    MetroplexJim

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                    Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Wed, 03/14/12 7:58 AM (permalink)
                    The primary cause of death is being born in the first place.
                     
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                      lornaschinske

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                      Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Wed, 03/14/12 11:53 AM (permalink)
                      I personally believe that the high rates of disease are from  the cocktail of chemicals that have found their way in to every thing we eat/drink/wear/breathe and the large quantities of sugars that we ingest causing any abnormal cells to grow.
                       
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                        Dr of BBQ

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                        Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Wed, 03/14/12 6:46 PM (permalink)
                        I recently picked a new primary care doctor. After two visits and exhaustive Lab tests, I was told I was doing 'fairly well' for my age.  (I just turned 67)
                         
                        Wondering exactly what the doctor's comment was suggesting and being the smart ass I can be I couldn't resist asking ...
                         
                        'So do you think I'll live to be 80, 90, or 100.
                         
                        The doctor responded by asking, 'Do you smoke tobacco, or drink beer or wine?'
                         
                        'Oh no,' I replied 'I'm not into drugs, either!'
                         
                        Then he asked, 'Do you eat rib eye steaks and barbecued ribs?'
                        "I said,  'Not much since my former doctor said that all red meat is very unhealthy!'
                         
                        'Do you spend a lot of time in the sun, like playing golf, sailing, hiking, or bicycling?'
                        'No, I don't,' I said.
                         
                        He asked, 'Do you gamble, go on vacations or have a lot of sex?'
                        'No,' I said.
                         
                        Then he looked at me and said, … 'Then, why do you even care?

                        <message edited by Dr of BBQ on Thu, 03/15/12 12:52 AM>
                         
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                          Barry Digman

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                          Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Thu, 03/15/12 1:44 AM (permalink)
                          On the other hand, if 1 in 10 died from eating too much red meat, 9 in 10 died from not eating enough red meat.
                           
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                            lornaschinske

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                            Re:Red meat blamed for 1 in 10 early deaths Fri, 03/16/12 3:27 PM (permalink)
                            Barry Digman


                            On the other hand, if 1 in 10 died from eating too much red meat, 9 in 10 died from not eating enough red meat.

                             
                              !6 oz Ribeye with a small mixed greens salad (not that iceberg crap)! Now that's a meal!
                             
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