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mar52

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:( Fri, 12/14/12 1:41 PM (permalink)
I have no words.  :(
 
 
 
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    felix4067

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    Re::( Fri, 12/14/12 1:56 PM (permalink)
    Exactly. I know it's true, here as well as in China, but it's really hard to believe.
     
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      kland01s

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      Re::( Fri, 12/14/12 3:33 PM (permalink)
      Harder to believe in China, they just don't do those things but becoming way too comonplace here. Twice this week between this and the Mall.
       
      #3
        Uncle Groucho

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        Re::( Fri, 12/14/12 7:07 PM (permalink)
        I like to believe people who commit crimes of this nature have a special place in HELL waiting for them...
         
        #4
          plb

          Re::( Fri, 12/14/12 7:53 PM (permalink)
          kland01s


          Harder to believe in China, they just don't do those things but becoming way too comonplace here. Twice this week between this and the Mall.

          Why would you say "Harder to believe in China, they don't do those things?"  There have been a whole bunch of mass killings at schools in China in the last few years. 
           
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            CajunKing

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            Re::( Fri, 12/14/12 10:55 PM (permalink)
            Uncle Groucho - I hope they do too.
            plb - Unfortunately things like this happen all over the world.  This thread isn't the place to discuss such things.  There are 27 innocent  families wondering why, there is a community reeling from raw emotion, there is a nation that sheds a tear tonight. 
             
            I know that when my son came out of the school this afternoon I gave him a huge hug and kissed his head.  He gave me the look of "Good Grief Charlie Brown". 
             
            I will light 28 candles tonight one for each of them, even the one who lost his way and committed this horrible act.
             
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              kland01s

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              Re::( Sat, 12/15/12 7:56 AM (permalink)
              plb


              kland01s


              Harder to believe in China, they just don't do those things but becoming way too comonplace here. Twice this week between this and the Mall.

              Why would you say "Harder to believe in China, they don't do those things?"  There have been a whole bunch of mass killings at schools in China in the last few years. 

               
              I guess I missed seeing that. Too much of this happens. 
               
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                MetroplexJim

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                Re::( Sat, 12/15/12 10:02 AM (permalink)
                I can't even bear to watch the news this morning.  Roadfood is a welcome "escape".
                 
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                  mayor al

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                  Re::( Sat, 12/15/12 11:26 AM (permalink)
                  Senseless. No reason for this tragedy. The connection between the person who did this and the school and it's children seems to be weak or non-existent. Senseless is all that comes to me.
                   
                  God, Please comfort those who lost innocent loved ones in this Tragedy.
                   
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                    BuddyRoadhouse

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                    Re::( Sat, 12/15/12 1:46 PM (permalink)
                    kland01s


                    plb


                    kland01s


                    Harder to believe in China, they just don't do those things but becoming way too comonplace here. Twice this week between this and the Mall.

                    Why would you say "Harder to believe in China, they don't do those things?"  There have been a whole bunch of mass killings at schools in China in the last few years. 


                    I guess I missed seeing that. Too much of this happens. 
                    There was a short mention In today's Tribune about a guy, who, just yesterday--the same day as the Connecticut massacre, slashed a couple dozen kids and teachers with a knife outside a school in China.
                     
                    Buddy
                     
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                      Glenn1234

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                      Re::( Sat, 12/15/12 2:22 PM (permalink)
                      mayor al


                      The connection between the person who did this and the school and it's children seems to be weak or non-existent. 

                       
                       
                       
                      From what I understand, the connection is that the crazy shooter's mother worked at that school.   
                       
                       
                      Glenn
                       


                       
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                        tiki

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                        Re::( Sat, 12/15/12 2:23 PM (permalink)
                        In China--he used a KNIFE on 22 kids---they LIVED---scared but alive. It really is time to stop the spread of assault weapons--i own guns---several---but-----maybe if you want an assault weapon you should be in that  "well regulated militia"---which these days is called the National Guard. Sorry if this offends anyone---but------so did the events at that Coon school offend ME!
                         
                         
                         
                         
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                          felix4067

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                          Re::( Sat, 12/15/12 4:55 PM (permalink)
                          tiki


                          In China--he used a KNIFE on 22 kids---they LIVED---scared but alive. It really is time to stop the spread of assault weapons--i own guns---several---but-----maybe if you want an assault weapon you should be in that  "well regulated militia"---which these days is called the National Guard. Sorry if this offends anyone---but------so did the events at that Coon school offend ME!




                          He didn't use an assault weapon. He used two hand guns legally purchased and licensed to his mother.
                           
                          Edit:
                          Sorry, I'm wrong. He did have an assault weapon (I hadn't seen an update yet). Which was also legally purchased and licensed to his mother. And officially, while his mother has been reported to be a teacher there (she was not), reported to be a substitute teacher there (she was not), and reported to be present at the school teaching at the time (she was not), investigators have thus far been unable to establish a connection between him, his mother, and the school. The best they've been able to come up with is that they think he might have attended the school as a child.
                           
                          That said, this is my current take on all of this:
                          What happened yesterday, both here and in China, was a tragedy. It is not, however, an opportunity to push your personal political agenda, regardless of what that is. Can we all please just take a damn break from the rhetoric and hug our children for a minute? 
                          <message edited by felix4067 on Sat, 12/15/12 5:04 PM>
                           
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                            tiki

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                            Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 9:50 AM (permalink)
                            we have been taking a break and NOT doing anything about assault rifles for a long time----and stopping CHILDREN from being murdered is NOT a POLITICAL agenda--I OWN GUNS!!! and it is time to DO SOMETHING! Sorry if this seems unappropriate to you but---too bad---i am SICK TO DEATH of inaction! I have been hugging my children for yrs and they still SHOOT at them!
                             

                             
                             
                            <message edited by tiki on Sun, 12/16/12 9:51 AM>
                             
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                              bartl

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                              Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 11:59 AM (permalink)
                              tiki
                              In China--he used a KNIFE on 22 kids---they LIVED---scared but alive. It really is time to stop the spread of assault weapons--i own guns---several---but-----maybe if you want an assault weapon you should be in that  "well regulated militia"---which these days is called the National Guard. Sorry if this offends anyone---but------so did the events at that Coon school offend ME!

                              What's an "assault weapon"?
                               
                              Bart
                               
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                                felix4067

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                                Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 1:22 PM (permalink)
                                tiki


                                we have been taking a break and NOT doing anything about assault rifles for a long time----and stopping CHILDREN from being murdered is NOT a POLITICAL agenda--I OWN GUNS!!! and it is time to DO SOMETHING! Sorry if this seems unappropriate to you but---too bad---i am SICK TO DEATH of inaction! I have been hugging my children for yrs and they still SHOOT at them!





                                You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I only ask that you recognize that I am also entitled to mine. All three of the guns he used were legally bought and registered to his mother, who he also killed. The vast majority of her guns (including two of the three he used, as well as the fourth he had in the car) were not assault rifles.
                                 
                                My point was not that we should never discuss gun control again. My point was that less than 10 minutes after it happened people on both sides of the gun control issue started screaming at the top of their lungs about how their side was right and if there was less (or more) gun control this wouldn't have happened. My point was that perhaps we should take a minute to think about how lucky we are that it did not happen to us or our families, and to send a prayer or positive thought or whatever it is we do to those families who were, and give a break from political posturing for just a second to become human beings.
                                 
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                                  Davydd

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                                  Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 1:25 PM (permalink)
                                  It's people not guns as the primary problem. Take all the guns away and you leave the crazies with bombs as the choice of weapon. It's already been done in Oklahoma City and you only need to look at the Middle East to understand that. Law of unintended consequences? Focus on the real problem.
                                   
                                  Here is an example: http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother
                                  <message edited by Davydd on Sun, 12/16/12 1:27 PM>
                                   
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                                    joerogo

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                                    Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 2:58 PM (permalink)
                                    Davydd, This one statement struck me, "With state-run treatment centers and hospitals shuttered".  This all happened in our lifetime.  Locally, I remember Mothers crying when they closed a local center for the mentally challenged.  They didn't commit their children because they didn't love them, they did it because they needed help.
                                     
                                    Let's all just take a deep breath.  Think about one person, just one that was killed in Sandy Hook. Think about how their day started, and how it ended.  And if you are so inclined, drop to your knees and pray it never happens again.  Do not dishonor their lives.
                                     
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                                      Michael Hoffman

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                                      Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 3:01 PM (permalink)
                                      Tiki, there was no "assault weapon" used in the shootings. The rifle -- actually a carbine -- was a semi-automatic rifle, exactly like a standard Remington Model 750 hunting rifle in function. Do you have, say, a Remington 1100 or 11-87 shotgun or a Browning Humpback? Is it an "assault weapon?"
                                      <message edited by Michael Hoffman on Sun, 12/16/12 3:06 PM>
                                       
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                                        rebeltruce

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                                        Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 3:42 PM (permalink)
                                        The 223 Bushmaster is an assault rifle......
                                         
                                         
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                                          pnwchef

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                                          Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 3:49 PM (permalink)
                                          A part of America died on friday, to bad it had to be the best part.........All of us now realize, there is no safe place for our children. I agree with Joe Rogo, remember these people as they were our own, pray it never happens again.................pnwc
                                           
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                                            Michael Hoffman

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                                            Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 3:51 PM (permalink)
                                            rebeltruce


                                            The 223 Bushmaster is an assault rifle......


                                            Sorry, but you're wrong. The Bushmaster identified as the carbine in the shooting was a semi-automatic firearm -- not an assault rifle. Does it look like an assault rifle? Sure. But it functions in exactly the same way as any other semi-automatic firearm.
                                             
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                                              rebeltruce

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                                              Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 4:09 PM (permalink)
                                              Look Michael...the Bushmaster was designed for one purpose and one purpose only, that is to kill people.
                                               
                                              I am a Marine, I have no real aversion to killing people if they deserve it or if it's in the line of duty.
                                               
                                              I also believe strongly in the 2nd amendment...but to say the Bushmaster is not an assault rifle is simply absurd........you know it and I know it....you are looking for an arguement to support an agenda.....an agenda, in fact that to a certain, extent I agree with.....I'll say no more, this is not the time or place.....
                                              <message edited by rebeltruce on Sun, 12/16/12 4:21 PM>
                                               
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                                                Michael Hoffman

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                                                Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 4:29 PM (permalink)
                                                I'm not looking for any argument. As a Marine I'm sure you know that the Bushmaster is a semi-automatic firearm without either burst-fire or full auto capability. The fact that it looks like the rifle or carbine issued to Marines does not make it one. As to agenda, the only one I have is truth.
                                                 
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                                                  Glenn1234

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                                                  Re::( Sun, 12/16/12 11:48 PM (permalink)
                                                   
                                                   
                                                  Unless the definitions have changed, ... if the firearm is not capable of firing fully automatic, it is not an assault weapon, ... depite its looks.   Was this Bushmaster somehow converted to full auto?   if yes, it could be defined as an assault weapon.    If not, it is a semi-auto, and not an assault weapon. 
                                                   
                                                   
                                                  Glenn
                                                  Glenn, the thread is locked, so I can't add a new post...but I need to update an earlier comment. The School district has said the Mother of the Shooter was NOT an employee of the District. She may have been a volunteer at one time or perhaps a Sub-Teacher. Why the man went to the school remains a mystery at this time.
                                                  AL
                                                    
                                                   
                                                   
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