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phlmaestro

Chink's Changing Its Name Thu, 03/28/13 10:50 PM (permalink)
http://www.philly.com/phi...changing-its-name.html
 
It's going to be called Joe's Steaks and Soda Shop.
 
http://www.roadfood.com/R...t/Overview/6300/chinks
<message edited by phlmaestro on Thu, 03/28/13 10:52 PM>
 
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    Phildelmar

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    Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Thu, 03/28/13 11:44 PM (permalink)
    Ate there many times when I worked for Friends Hospital. Spoke to the owner who explained the origin of the name. Good food. Ah, political correctness
     
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      Bruce Bilmes and Susan Boyle

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      Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Fri, 03/29/13 8:56 AM (permalink)
      I wouldn't call it political correctness. Sounds more like good business sense.
       
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        Twinwillow

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        Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Fri, 03/29/13 10:40 AM (permalink)
        I think they should keep the original name. In this case, offending anyone is only in the mind of the offended. 
         
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          bartl

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          Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Sun, 03/31/13 9:54 AM (permalink)
          There are definitely words which have been ex post facto turned into pseudo "insults", by people who want to label themselves as victims, so that they can use that status to demand reparations from the "victimizer", often through inventing a fake etymology. Words like "handicapped", "oriental", and "niggardly" come to mind immediately.
           
          But here's the thing. "Political correctness" is stupidity if the the word "political" is necessary as a modifier. "Chink", when referring to a person, was always a denigrating term. Therefore, the change is not politically correct; it's just plain correct.
           
          Bart
           
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            Phildelmar

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            Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Sun, 03/31/13 12:54 PM (permalink)
            I have a different take, given that I spoke to the owner in years gone by. First and foremost, he was a nice man who made a great sandwich. He also took an unwanted childhood nickname and made it an institution in a neighborhood that has since seen sad changes. Also, having grown up in North Philadelphia, I am aware that the nicknames of my fathers generation might not pass muster today. But we should view things in the context of their times.
             
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              RC51Mike

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              Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Mon, 04/1/13 10:56 AM (permalink)
              I posted on another forum on the subject. 
               
              The above article [from phillyeater.com] says it was not a racial slur but a Philly.com article quotes, "That was his boyhood nickname. In 2004, Sam's widow wrote a letter to the Daily News to explain how, as a 7-year-old in 1930 at James Blaine Elementary School, Sam was so branded with the slur by classmates who noted that his eyes were almond-shaped."
               
              So, is it ok to retain a racial slur nickname because back in the old days it was ok to walk around and call people "chinks?" At some point in society's progress, I think we need to move on. Granted, the present owner is free to call it whatever he likes but profits may dictate what he does.
               
              Before I read the article I had some mixed feelings about it and had thought the name was not based a racial slur. I compared it to folks who are offended by the word "niggardly" which has no common root whatsoever with the racial epithet. Just because a word sounds bad doesn't mean it is. However, I'm now reading two different stories for the basis of the name.
               
              Reminds me of elementary school where the word "muktuk" was used in a lesson and after learning the word is an Inuit word for whale blubber, we named the fat kid in the class "Muktuk." It was later shortened to "Tuck" but remained with him all the way through high school, even used by teachers and coaches. Because we were cruel and insensitve when we were five years old, doesn't mean we have to stay that way.
               
              Food related, I haven't had one from Chinks only because I haven't found myself in the neighborhood when the siren song of cheesesteaks calls. It's on my list though.
               
              I don't fault the original owner for accepting his nickname.  1930 was a long time ago.  And yes, he turned it into a successful business.  But I don't think that we have to lament the passing of the name and point fingers at PC behavior as the culprit when all that is occurring is that someone showed some maturity.

               
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                saps

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                Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Tue, 04/2/13 3:55 PM (permalink)
                Bruce Bilmes and Susan Boyle


                I wouldn't call it political correctness. Sounds more like good business sense.

                 
                Probably doesn't make good business sense to change the name of a long-term successful business.

                 
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                  Bruce Bilmes and Susan Boyle

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                  Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Tue, 04/2/13 11:58 PM (permalink)
                  Well, there are those two opposing forces: on the one hand, you're right, changing a successful brand name comes with a cost. On the other hand, having a business name that offends a portion of your intended customer base also comes with a cost. The question is, which cost is greater? The owner has presumably done the calculus and made his decision.
                   
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                    buffetbuster

                    Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Thu, 08/8/13 11:05 AM (permalink)
                    The last thing I want to do is stir up something akin to a political debate, but it is interesting  and disappointing that business has declined since the name change.  There are those on here who think he should have kept the name and others who think he did the right thing by changing it.  I am clearly in the latter camp.  It's a shame this is happening to such a great Roadfood restaurant.  I wish I could support it more, but live too far away.
                     
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                      Glenn1234

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                      Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Thu, 08/8/13 1:39 PM (permalink)
                       
                       
                      From the article ....
                       
                      <<...."If 10 percent of the do-gooders who cheered him for doing the right thing came in for an occasional steak or shake, he'd be fine."....>>
                       
                       
                      It would be nice if they would give him some business.   In small shops like that, the owners know the faces of the regulars, so Joe knows who is coming in.    Apparently, the cheerleaders of the name change stabbed him in the back.   That's just so wrong to do that to him. 
                       
                       
                      Glenn
                       
                       
                       
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                        eruby

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                        Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Thu, 08/8/13 2:14 PM (permalink)
                        Glenn1234


                         

                        From the article ....

                        <<...."If 10 percent of the do-gooders who cheered him for doing the right thing came in for an occasional steak or shake, he'd be fine."....>>


                        It would be nice if they would give him some business.   In small shops like that, the owners know the faces of the regulars, so Joe knows who is coming in.    Apparently, the cheerleaders of the name change stabbed him in the back.   That's just so wrong to do that to him. 


                        Glenn


                        ^ This.
                         
                        Similar to all those who lamented the closing of Chiodo's in Pittsburgh and demanded it be saved as a piece of history, but had actually never been there. 

                         
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                          Phildelmar

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                          Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Thu, 08/8/13 5:46 PM (permalink)
                          I should stop in the next time I'm in town. The owner used to tease me about ordering my cheese steak with mustard and no sauce or ketchup. The meat was so good that I didn't want to drown it.
                           
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                            FriedClamFanatic

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                            Re:Chink's Changing Its Name Sun, 08/11/13 12:09 PM (permalink)
                            I have been following this same discussion on a different board.  I am impressed (as I knew I would be) at how sane the comments are here vs the ranting and ravings of the PC's vs non-PC's on the other board (which has already been threatened to have the thread closed for going off-topic)
                             
                            Just another reason to stick with Roadfood, despite the rumblings
                             
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