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Rcoy

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Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Mon, 02/24/14 1:20 AM (permalink)
Midnights


I did the layout for the truck. The freshwater tank and water heater will go underneath the sinks and the shelf next to it.


Does the door on the reefer slide, or is it gonna interfere with the table?
 
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    Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Mon, 02/24/14 4:11 AM (permalink)
    Assuming that your service window is over the work table next to the freezer, you may want to think about work flow for more than one person, it appears most of your service will be from either the soft serves or freezer, so more than one person will cross each other in front of the window a lot.  I'd probably play with having the soft serve on the opposite side from the window along with the freezer, seems quicker and closer access to your main service machines.  
    Think of a fast food type counter and service area where the drinks and quick serve items are behind the service counter.
    I know you have some ridiculous requirements for sinks in the states, but I'd be looking to minimize their size to the absolute min required if you already have not, perhaps a small slide out hand sink below one of the counters, thats a lot of valuable space for sinks, even though you'll probably cover them for a work surface.
     
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      Midnights

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      Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Mon, 02/24/14 10:55 AM (permalink)
      The refrigerator has sliding doors. Even so, I think I'm going with the 24" width on that work table. I had the three standard widths noted, with numbers at those widths (the numbers just look like dots on the above picture).
      My serving window will actually be on the refrigerator side. The window I will open will be in front of the counter between the fridge and the 3 compartment sink. I know the sinks take up a lot of room, but I don't have much of a choice with my health dept. I'm already going to have to put extra wire shelf drainboard space above the sink, even though I will never have to use it with the equipment that actually gets washed, as the drainboards are technically too small. I plan on covering the sinks with cutting board material when not in use.
      The work table between the freezer and soft serve machines will be the main work area. That's where the topping bar will go.
      I appreciate your input. Like many on here, I'm new to this. It's great to have someplace to go where I can pick the brains of those who are already doing it.
      <message edited by Midnights on Mon, 02/24/14 11:08 AM>
       
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        Midnights

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        Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Sat, 03/1/14 12:54 PM (permalink)
        A lot of work on the electrical system done. In order to power everything, I had to go with the Generac 17500.
        http://www.norwall.com/pr...0E-Electric-Start.html
        Doing the calculations for the amount of power I need puts me at 15,074.7 Watts. After researching it, I found that the 50 Amp plug only puts out 12,000 Watts. The folks at Generac said that to get more Watts, I would have to use both the 50 Amp plug and the 30 Amp 120/240V twistlock plug. At around 15kW, I can do this and not overload the generator (according to the info from Generac). I will be using the 50A plug to power my soft serve machines. These come in at 11,939.2W. Everything else will be on a different circuit fed by the 30A 120/240V plug. The total for that circuit is 3,135.5W. So, I will be getting two load centers to keep the circuits separate.
        http://www.lowes.com/pd_1...82__?productId=1001509
        I don't figure I need a breaker or a transfer switch as there are main breakers on the generator, and I will physically be unplugging the power to plug in the shore power. One thing I noticed about using those load centers is that I will need another grounding bus bar in each as I will have four lines in (two hots, a neutral, and a ground). Trusty eBay was able to solve that problem.
        http://www.ebay.com/itm/400669936653
        I needed an inlet box on the truck that I would be comfortable with using in the rain. I would also like it to be locking. This one fulfilled those requirements:
        http://www.lowes.com/pd_2..._0__?productId=4326713
        When I'm using the generator, I need to get the full amount of juice, so I got a generator cable.
        http://www.ebay.com/itm/1...ksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
        When I'm at home, I need to be able to plug into a regular 110V outlet so I can run my freezer and keep my ice cream frozen. Since that will only draw 212W, an adapter will work. Adapters that convert a 4 wire 120/240V line to a 3 wire 120V line drop one of the hot wires, so they only have access to have the Watts. There are two ways to do this (taking some advice from the RVers). One way is to go from the inlet on the truck to a female l14-30 plug.
        http://www.ebay.com/itm/360846649967
        Then put that plug on a regular range/RV 50 Amp plug.
        http://www.ebay.com/itm/N...50V-6-Fee/131005782232
        Then plug that into a 50 Amp to 30 Amp RV dogbone adapter.
        http://www.ebay.com/itm/R...emale-12-/370453019865
        Then plug the 30 Amp RV connector into a 110V adapter.
        http://www.campingworld.c...amp-male-adapter/69604
        Alternatively, I could have gotten the 30A 120/240V female spinlock (L14-30R) to 30A 120V male spinlock (L5-30P) adapter.
        http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0091UEVL4/
        Then a 30A 120V spinlock female to 30A RV.
        http://www.campingworld.c...30-amp-connector/31550
        Or 30A 120V spinlock female to 15A regular male end.
        http://www.campingworld.c...-power-smart-led/69586
        <message edited by Midnights on Sat, 03/1/14 1:15 PM>
         
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          Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Sat, 03/1/14 1:10 PM (permalink)
          For the 50W plug, it's a little more straight-forward. I had to get a HUBBELL HBL9451C end to plug into the generator. Due to its orientation, a regular NEMA 14-50 plug that doesn't come straight out wouldn't have worked. I needed one that would lock in with the locking mechanism on the generator (so it wouldn't work itself loose). http://www.amazon.com/Hub...HBL9451C/dp/B000TKF84E
          The Amazon reviews were very helpful with this. I go from that to a regular RV outlet box.
          http://www.amazon.com/Con...40-Volt/dp/B0009R5JRS/
          That allowed me to just have a range cord going from the truck to the outlet on the generator box.
          http://www.amazon.com/Col...-Supply/dp/B0002YURAW/
          I ripped the guts out of a service disconnect switch box I bought at the used construction equipment store for $5. This will allow me to store the 50A wire away when not in use. It's also lockable, so I can keep it connected and not have to worry about people messing with it.

          I cut a path to the bottom middle knock-out and filed the edges smooth. This allows me to close the box while the cord is being used. I have a hole drilled in the top (under the top mounting screw) so I can pass the cord through the back and into the truck. I have grommets for the hole in the box and the hole in the truck, so it's watertight. I was thinking about running a pipe nipple through the hole instead, with lock nuts on either side.
          <message edited by Midnights on Sat, 03/1/14 8:54 PM>
           
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            Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Sat, 03/1/14 3:33 PM (permalink)
            This link talks about someone else trying to convert a 30A 120/240V spinlock to a 30A 120V RV outlet:
            http://www.wakeworld.com/...howthread.php?t=791440
             
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              Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Sat, 03/1/14 8:01 PM (permalink)
              I started demoing the inside today. Here is what was in there to start with:

              Here is what I did today:

               
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                Midnights

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                Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Wed, 03/5/14 12:20 AM (permalink)
                Generator came today. It is large, but I knew it would be. It's also fairly loud, but I assumed it would be, so I had already planned on building a sound dampening enclosure. You can see the cargo carrier it will sit on in the background.

                 
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                  Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Wed, 03/5/14 10:28 PM (permalink)
                  Hey Midnight,
                   
                  How are you powering your freezers while driving?
                   
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                    Midnights

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                    Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Wed, 03/5/14 10:46 PM (permalink)
                    I haven't decided yet (as it will depend on what the health department tells me). If they will allow me, the "cold plate" of blue ice packets should keep it frozen for the short drives around town. If not, I'll have to keep the generator running while I'm driving.
                    Further down the road, I might install a battery pack with an inverter, but I don't plan on it to start out (especially not if I can get away with just using the "cold plate" for driving around).
                     
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                      Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Thu, 03/6/14 5:32 PM (permalink)
                      Yea i'm looking for an inverter to keep my fridge cold while moving from my commissary to  my spot.
                       
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                        Midnights

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                        Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Sat, 03/8/14 6:45 PM (permalink)
                        Inside of the truck is cleaned out. It took longer than I thought it would.

                         
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                          Midnights

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                          Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Sat, 03/22/14 11:34 AM (permalink)
                          I went to pick up my equipment yesterday and they messed up my order. They had fixed up the wrong beverage cooler and ice cream machine. Luckily, the right ones were still in the warehouse. They are throwing in a stainless steel work table for free because of the mix-up. That does mean that I can't try out my soft-serve recipes this weekend.
                           
                          Although that has been held up by my base mix supplier as well. The original dairy I was going to go with has shut down and Dean Foods (the parent company) shifted production to the local Meadow Gold facility. Meadow Gold hasn't gotten back to me. I've tried contacting them through email, their contact form, and through Dean Foods. The Dean Foods folks did get back to me almost immediately and said they'd check into it for me.

                          I have also been on the look-out for 3 gallon tubs. As I have a truck and need to use a commissary kitchen, space is at a premium. I don't have space to store pallets of empty tubs. I found a few suppliers that make square box tubs that ship flat. This should end up being cheaper, and solves my storage issue. These are the companies I've found:
                          http://www.rynonepackaging.com/Products/IcecreamBoxes.asp
                          http://www.negusboxnbag.com/ice_cream.html
                          https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rapamar-Container/1398852023677454
                           
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                            kapowtruck

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                            Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Sat, 03/22/14 11:06 PM (permalink)
                            Oh yea I have Generac 6500E and runs like a champ get about 11 hours out it before I need to fill it up~
                             
                            its not too loud compared to those on harbor freight but def not quiet like a honda.
                             
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                              Re:Midnight's Frozen Treats - Denver, CO (w/ build stuff) Mon, 03/31/14 7:08 PM (permalink)
                              I heard back from the dairy. They do have premium frozen custard mix that will work. So, I can bring the Midwestern tradition of good frozen custard to the Rockies.
                               
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