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prisonchef

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trans fats Tue, 09/26/06 9:55 PM (permalink)
msnbc thru reuters news had an announcement today that the nyc health dept was going to try to enforce a ban on trans fats. i think that while it does not appear related stick burning pits in other regions of the country will be soon under pressure from the "do-gooders" and i for one love playing with those for fun when i have the time.
while everyone knows that i use both electric and pellet smokers i just view this whole thing as so much dung.
don't know why the article upset me so much,cant really put my finger on it but maybe i am viewing it as a further errosion of common sense.
feeling much better now.
jack
 
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    MikeS.

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    RE: trans fats Wed, 09/27/06 6:12 AM (permalink)
    Jack, glad to hear that you are feeling much better now.

    Gov't just loves sticking it's nose into everything.

    MikeS.
     
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      namret

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      RE: trans fats Wed, 09/27/06 6:31 AM (permalink)
      the REPUBLICAN govt! HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
       
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        John A

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        RE: trans fats Wed, 09/27/06 6:57 AM (permalink)
        quote:
        Originally posted by namret

        the REPUBLICAN govt! HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


        In NYC, I hardly think so.

        John
         
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          prisonchef

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          RE: trans fats Thu, 09/28/06 4:40 PM (permalink)
          guys,
          i got the whole thing fingered out and posted it in the food police thread of resturant pros.
          republicans???!!!!
          let's see
          year 1969
          president-democrat
          house-democrat
          senate-democrat
          yep they cared about my safety
          they cared about my safety so darned much they drafted me!!!!!!!
          safest 2 years of my life!!!!!!
          thanks for reminding me!!!!
          jack
          ps. namret thanks. i passed the "nope i don't have alzheimers yet test".
           
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            MilwFoodlovers

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            RE: trans fats Thu, 09/28/06 6:14 PM (permalink)
            Yep, prisonchef, they had to "prove" they weren't soft on communism! LOL
            I guess what goes around, comes around, or is it the more things change, the more they stay the same.
            Or is it the two political partys have pretty much taken the others positions of 35 years ago!
            Ort, what was that advice from Bob Dylan?
             
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              PapaJoe8

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              RE: trans fats Thu, 09/28/06 6:23 PM (permalink)
              This just made the local news here in DFW. Mixed comments from folks they interviewed. I am not a fan of big brother telling us what to do but I think the time for healthy frying is close at hand. It should be done cause folks will support it I think.
              Joe
               
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                Theedge

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                RE: trans fats Thu, 09/28/06 7:28 PM (permalink)
                Well at least they'll never tell us what we can do in our own homes.

                I have to agree with O'Reilly in so far as that the biggest problem in the USA is apathy on the part of the public.
                 
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                  prisonchef

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                  RE: trans fats Thu, 09/28/06 7:35 PM (permalink)
                  milwfoodlovers,
                  man it goes "the pump don't work cause the vandals stole the handle"
                  papajoe,
                  down here in florida most customers can't remember if the medication hasn't been taken and those guys are from n.y and n.j pmsl
                  theedge,
                  better make sure your guns are loaded and you have the ammo to beat back the food police (course they wont deport the illegals but that is sooooooooooooo politically incorect)
                  jack
                   
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                    Scorereader

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                    RE: trans fats Fri, 09/29/06 7:03 PM (permalink)
                    the whole thing is a crock. Banning from restaurants the use of a legal product that anyone can buy in the grocery store. Theedge says: Well at least they'll never tell us what we can do in our own homes. But in truth, this is one step towards the complete ban of the artificial trans fats. IMO, let's not waste money banning in NYC, then the next city, then the next, then a state here and a state there. Let's just bring the idea to the FDA and let them make a decision for the whole country.

                     
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                      Scorereader

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                      RE: trans fats Fri, 10/6/06 11:59 AM (permalink)
                      for those that don't know it, my day job is as an examiner at the US Copyright Office. I only mention that because today I examined a jazz album titled "Trans Fat" - which is a jazz ensemble playing the music of Fats Waller and Others. Great title!
                       
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                        V960

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                        RE: trans fats Fri, 10/6/06 12:29 PM (permalink)
                        Trans fats? NYC and not Calfornia?

                        BTW Prisonchef,
                        I only lasted five months on my SE Asian vacation, Charlie was a pretty good shot.
                         
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                          Pigiron

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                          RE: trans fats Fri, 10/6/06 12:54 PM (permalink)
                          quote:
                          Originally posted by prisonchef


                          republicans???!!!!
                          let's see
                          year 1969
                          president-democrat
                          house-democrat
                          senate-democrat


                          Richard Nixon was a Democrat? Wow, you learn something new every day!
                           
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                            John A

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                            RE: trans fats Fri, 10/6/06 5:58 PM (permalink)
                            quote:
                            Originally posted by Pigiron

                            quote:
                            Originally posted by prisonchef


                            republicans???!!!!
                            let's see
                            year 1969
                            president-democrat
                            house-democrat
                            senate-democrat


                            Richard Nixon was a Democrat? Wow, you learn something new every day!


                            Why is it that some folks overlook a mistake for what it is and let it be, some point it out in a civil manner, and some find it necessary to be demeaning?

                            John
                             
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                              Fieldthistle

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                              RE: trans fats Sat, 10/7/06 2:51 AM (permalink)
                              Hello All,
                              Actually, Richard Nixon was one the best Republican/Democrat president we had, by that I mean
                              he was able to do something with both sides of the political spectrum. Opening up to China,
                              his environmental policies, and he was seeking a way out of a war that was tearing our country apart.
                              I am a liberal...getting moderate, ...independent, and lived under Nixon. Everybody back then was
                              struggling for answers. Nixon had his flaws, which made him falter and lose the presidency. I had my
                              flaws, which made me lose my way for a couple years.
                              Now to the topic of trans fats...they are bad, but how bad are they in moderation. I see all these products
                              advertised as having no-trans fats. Marketing is on board for a public concern.
                              Can anyone speak to the science of trans fats, rather than government intrusions of rights?
                              I ask this as a smoker who has accepted the risks, taxes, and shame of being a smoker.
                              Trans fat lovers, accept your fate.
                              Take Care,
                              Fieldthistle
                               
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                                roossy90

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                                RE: trans fats Sat, 10/7/06 4:34 AM (permalink)
                                And whatever happened to "our" likes and dislikes?
                                Do as they say, and not as I like?
                                I do try to eat "proper", or as in the current world, now..
                                I try to eat "PC"....

                                Leave it to the government to stick their nose into every aspect of anyones lives.
                                Bugs the Sh$$$$$ out of me.
                                 
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                                  Fieldthistle

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                                  RE: trans fats Sat, 10/7/06 5:43 AM (permalink)
                                  Hello All,
                                  Sweet Roossy90, (what is the 90 mean?) the government goes too far at times,
                                  but it can do good. I live in an area that the local government 90% of the
                                  time will screw the will and health of the people for business interest.
                                  Locally, I cherish the federal government laws that have made the poultry plants and
                                  farmers clean up their act so that the air and water is cleaner where
                                  I live. The local government wouldn't because they are slaves to business.
                                  Nevertheless, when you ask whatever happened to our likes and dislikes, you
                                  are asking for someone, a government to mediate and make rules and laws.
                                  What one person likes, another person dislikes. Proper is fluid.
                                  One day it is good to eat beef, another day it is sinful and unhealthy.
                                  One day the Taliban are enemies, and the next day Senator Frist says we
                                  should include them in the government of Afghanistan.
                                  Today's common sense is shadow of tomorrow's common sense. We need to ground ourselves
                                  in something we believe in, but we have nothing that we can truly believe in.
                                  Eastern Philiosphy tells us that all is an illusion, and I can see that happening,
                                  but I fight, in my soul, that belief.
                                  1. Trans fats- do they add to the flavour of food?
                                  2. Trans fats- do they harm us?
                                  3. Trans fats- are there some foods that need them for quality and others that do not?
                                  4. Trans fats- is there not a balance in our diet which can include an amount of trans fats?
                                  5. Trans fats- why does business use and need them?
                                  I am very ignornat on this subject. Someone educate me.
                                  Take Care,
                                  Fieldthistle
                                   
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                                    ann peeples

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                                    RE: trans fats Mon, 10/9/06 5:31 PM (permalink)
                                    All I know about transfat is it is not supposed to be good for you-my take on this, as I have a very low cholesterol level,is when I choose the foods I like, and they say no trans fat, I am thinking-ok, good for me.Now I understand peoples take on trans fat-but we all dont have to watch it and I am overweight.People assume I have high cholesteral levels...........
                                     
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                                      spicoli

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                                      RE: trans fats Fri, 10/20/06 3:06 PM (permalink)
                                      Fieldthistle,

                                      This article should answer most of your questions:

                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat

                                      In general, the type of Trans Fats that are most common in our day-to-day diets are hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils. Several years ago, McDonalds stopped frying their fries in Beef Tallow and replaced their oil with Hydrogenated Oils, ironically making them less healthy.

                                      Essentially, trans fats raise bad cholestrol levels in your blood (LDL - high amounts of this is linked with heart disease) while simultaneously decreasing good cholesterol levels (HDL - this can remove LDLs and transport them to the liver where they don't harm the heart), the only types of fats that acutally do this.

                                      The benefit of using these oils is mostly one of cost and that they help food products to be preserved longer and have a longer shelf life. Which is why the main opponents to banning them will be businesses. Even then, hard to say if it will be more expensive.

                                      Although in that Wikipedia article, KFC says they have to stick with Trans Fats for matters of taste, my guess is that's BS and largely porofit-driven - real oils taste better anyway - Trans fat is invisible, odorless and tasteless. Same with some McDondald's reps talking about how in European chains of McDo, they use different oils for their fries dues to "cultural taste differences." Again, more BS. The process to change oils would cost Ronald McDonald a pretty penny.

                                      Removing trans fats will not eliminate fried foods, nor will it make those foods taste worse.
                                       
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                                        Pigiron

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                                        RE: trans fats Sun, 10/22/06 12:31 PM (permalink)
                                        quote:
                                        Originally posted by John A

                                        Why is it that some folks overlook a mistake for what it is and let it be, some point it out in a civil manner, and some find it necessary to be demeaning?

                                        John



                                        Perhaps when the original quote containing the mistake was meant to demean a giant group of Americans, it deserves to be shot down in any manner?
                                         
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                                          John A

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                                          RE: trans fats Sun, 10/22/06 4:54 PM (permalink)
                                          quote:
                                          Originally posted by Pigiron

                                          quote:
                                          Originally posted by John A

                                          Why is it that some folks overlook a mistake for what it is and let it be, some point it out in a civil manner, and some find it necessary to be demeaning?

                                          John



                                          Perhaps when the original quote containing the mistake was meant to demean a giant group of Americans, it deserves to be shot down in any manner?


                                          Are you a moderator? I thought that was their job.

                                          John
                                          Edited to add job.
                                           
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                                            TheHotPepper.com

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                                            RE: trans fats Sun, 10/22/06 7:03 PM (permalink)
                                            They banned smoking, now they're banning pizza? Damn!
                                             
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                                              Scorereader

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                                              RE: trans fats Mon, 10/23/06 12:24 AM (permalink)
                                              If they banned pizza...will it become like marijuana?
                                              ya know...easy to get really good pizza on every street corner in America?
                                               
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                                                Pigiron

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                                                RE: trans fats Mon, 10/23/06 10:51 AM (permalink)
                                                quote:
                                                Originally posted by John A
                                                Are you a moderator? I thought that was their job.

                                                John


                                                The original poster blamed his being drafted into service during a war partially on Democratic President Richard Nixon. As a Democrat, I was offended by that, so I corrected him.

                                                But John, you seem very, very concerned with my posts, and have now twice made public judgements about them. So you MUST be a moderator, right? Are you?
                                                 
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                                                  John A

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                                                  RE: trans fats Tue, 10/24/06 6:47 AM (permalink)
                                                  "Richard Nixon was a Democrat? Wow, you learn something new every day!" That's civil?

                                                  "So you MUST be a moderator, right? Are you?" How original - LOL.

                                                  John
                                                   
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