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Dr of BBQ

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why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sat, 08/19/06 11:49 AM (permalink)
As sad as it is most people are so used to eating fast food or poorly prepared food, and food with no spices or even salt and pepper I sometimes wonder why some restaurant owners, or vendors even try. I’d bet a good 50% of restaurants order food prepared in a commissary and only heat and serve it. At events fairs and festivals I’ll bet the percentage is even higher. I watch at events as more and more big franchise type operations build vending trailers to sell their fast food products at events. I keep thinking why would you go to a fair or festival and eat a Subway Sandwich, or a Burger King Whooper? I occasional eat at a Subway, and they certainly have some sandwiches I enjoy very much, but at a fair or festival I want something I can’t find on ten different corners in “everytown” USA. Nothing wrong with fast-food but what happened to the adventure of visiting a new town, fair or festival and seeking out some new culinary delight that makes the entire trip worth while? About a month ago I was a vendor at the Cornerstone Festival (20,000 young people 15 to 27) for 7 days. I was amazed at how many had never had BBQ. Worse yet at the number of people we had to explain that “no a brisket is beef and a pork loin was from a pig. It was a hoot, and well worth the extra time it took to explain that BBQ was smoked meat not grilled meat. We had dozens and dozens of young people everyday that bought food and came back later to tell us it was the best they had ever eaten. We had some customers that ate 3 times a day with us. In fact as I look back on that event we probably educated (about BBQ) about 60% of the people we served in one way or another. With a line of 6 to 8 people most of the day and the first person in line asking a question it was interesting to watch the others quickly quiet down and listen intently to the answer, which of course stimulated other questions. It was fun. And I don’t know how many times I said, “You, can do this at home”, you just need time and patience, always remember "Low and Slow".
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    mayor al

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    RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sat, 08/19/06 12:24 PM (permalink)
    Congratulations on your teaching experience. You seemed to get a good feeling when you talked to someone who was really listening while you introduced them to something like BBQ!!!

    About the efforts people take (or don't take) to explore the food realm when they attend a Festival or Fair, You have to consider the evolution of the American consumer when it comes to food in general. We have become a nation of 'play it safe' types when it comes to food- growing, processing, and consumming. The fact that that attitude shows up more and more at places like those you mentioned is an example of what is happening all over the country.

    Look what happened on this site when Alton Brown 'tried' a Brain Sandwich last week! I am not saying that everyone should "love to eat Brains"... but rather than encourage at least trying them as he did, many were repelled by "The Thought".
    I haven't eaten any Brains in several years, and I didn't care much for them when I did eat them, but I would not think to tell someone that they shouldn't 'try them'. People need to experiment and see "what's out there", instead of picking the 'safe choice' each time they go out. Fairs and Festivals are the places where people go for new experiences...Fairfood should be a part of those experiments!

     
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      enginecapt

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      RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sat, 08/19/06 1:26 PM (permalink)
      I noticed just the opposite last year at the Fresno County fair, Dr of BBQ. The lion's share of the food booths were not corporate fast food, in fact I don't recall seeing any, but that may be because I had my internal filter activated and I just didn't see them. I chowed down on Bobby Salazar's fine local Mexican food, corn dogs from some local non profit group's stand,
      excellent local pizza etc etc. The trend that somewhat disturbed me was the plethora of "deep fried anything" stands: Twinkies, snicker bars, vegetables of all types, fruit, tacos, burritos bla bla.... The lines were long for that stuff. But, it's the fair, and I didn't exactly adhere to a healthy regimen while I was there. The thick smell of hot fat in the air did get rather tiresome after awhile.
       
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        skylar0ne

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        RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sat, 08/19/06 3:48 PM (permalink)
        I think you must be going to the wrong fairs. Around our neck of the woods, most of the food at fair time is made by little old church ladies, or non-profits that set up chow booths as fund raisers. At our Faith 4th of July celebration, the rotary club even smokes the pig on the premises. The aroma, as you follow grandkids from ride to ride, is incredible. County fairs are the same way.

        Faith is a very small town just down the road from me, and our 4th celebration is quite popular. George Bush Sr. even came one year. He threw out the first pitch at the softball game, and ate bbq like it was going out of style.
         
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          ann peeples

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          RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sat, 08/19/06 5:35 PM (permalink)
          I did not see any type of fast food national chain at the Wisconsin State fair.The only thing I saw was Cousins Subs,which is a local chain.While it may be "fast"it is freshly made as you wait.
           
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            texgrill

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            RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sat, 08/19/06 5:57 PM (permalink)
            I have set up at several large festivals here in Texas. The closer it is to a large city the more franchise booths you will see. Had a Papa Johns pizza setup next to me at one.

            Ronnie
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              xannie_01

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              RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sat, 08/19/06 6:10 PM (permalink)
              the only franchise booth i've seen at the fairs
              in the southwest have been baskin robbins
              and they never have a line. people seem far
              more interested in small vendors selling
              unusual food like fried twinkies or
              venison on a stick.

              dayle
               
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                Dr of BBQ

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                RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sun, 08/20/06 1:04 AM (permalink)
                Skylarone wrote “Around our neck of the woods, most of the food at fair time is made by little old church ladies, or non-profits. And they may make some pretty good food but I have a problem with that also, but that's another topic. But yes your correct you'll find those wonderful church ladies at small events, and small fairs but at major fairs or events with really big attendance numbers you'll find large numbers of franchised companies on the grounds. I couldn’t agree more with the Mayor “People need to experiment and see "what's out there." That’s what fires me up, when I read a recipe that sounds good, or when I read a post here about a Hotdog or BBQ joint in some far off city. I didn’t mean to sound like a BBQ teacher in my post (I’m not that good) I think one of the better or at least more thought provoking posters in this group is (Jack) Prisonchef here you have a guy that keeps notes on his cooks now that shows dedication, and professionalism. I just found it exciting to turn some people on to good food, no make that good BBQ. LOL I think there is nothing better than sharing, good food and drink. It’s in my mind one of the basics of life. As far as the big scare that others try and force on us through the media about correct eating habits, I think IMHO most of the health problems people suffer from are hereditary (just bad genes) and besides hey life’s too short to not allow yourself one of the most exciting adventures available 3 times a day.
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                  RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sun, 08/20/06 1:46 AM (permalink)
                  quote:
                  Originally posted by enginecapt

                  I noticed just the opposite last year at the Fresno County fair, Dr of BBQ. The lion's share of the food booths were not corporate fast food, in fact I don't recall seeing any, but that may be because I had my internal filter activated and I just didn't see them. I chowed down on Bobby Salazar's fine local Mexican food, corn dogs from some local non profit group's stand,
                  excellent local pizza etc etc. The trend that somewhat disturbed me was the plethora of "deep fried anything" stands: Twinkies, snicker bars, vegetables of all types, fruit, tacos, burritos bla bla.... The lines were long for that stuff. But, it's the fair, and I didn't exactly adhere to a healthy regimen while I was there. The thick smell of hot fat in the air did get rather tiresome after awhile.


                  You are correct about the Fresno County Fair, there were no corporate foods there then or ever. However I look forward to the more unusual deep fried stuff just to try it.. last years avocados and ripe tomatoes were pretty darn good. One stand did try to make a "Fat Darrell" sandwich a la the Rutgers grease trucks... but their version fell far short of the real thing.
                   
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                    RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sun, 08/20/06 5:05 AM (permalink)
                    I attend many county fairs and most have some type of corporate food stands, so be it. I still have the choice of the local non profit or service organizations to choose from, they may not be the best but it's money well spent. I always see long lines at the charitable booths and have also seen them sell out of product, no commissary I guess. With the number of people that attend these type events you have to cater to the masses, something for everybody. I think you will find it's very hard to get a 3 or 4 or 5 year old to enjoy a plate of Q but one of those patties from Mickey D's thier thrilled. Chow Jim
                     
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                      seafarer john

                      RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sun, 08/20/06 1:35 PM (permalink)
                      I went to the Hudson Valley Ribfest yesterday (2nd annual sponsored by the highland, NY Rotary Club) and it was much expanded and improved from last year's/.

                      There were about 45 contesting teams - mostly from New England and the NYC Metro area - and many of them were generous with both conversation and a bit of a sample of their grilling and BBQing. I had a taste of some outstanding fish, sausage, and brisket.

                      There were BBQ vendors from Boston, Philadelphia (Jack McDavid), and locally - we had Elias Market from Highland with excellent brisket, and Hickory Catskill smokehouse from Shokan with very nice ribs and pulled pork.

                      There were also the usual vendors of soft ice cream, Italian sausage, pretzels, fried cakes, etc. Most of these offerings usually have a suspicious association with some kind of prepackaged homogenized stuff provided by a factory someplace. The only one I patronized was the Budweiser beer tent - the beer was ordinary but cold fresh and wet and most enjoyed on a humid day. Dissapointingly, I could not find anyone offering sweet iced tea, my beverage of choice when eating BBQ.

                      Cheers, John
                       
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                        MilwFoodlovers

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                        RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sun, 08/20/06 2:00 PM (permalink)
                        quote:
                        Originally posted by Jimeats
                        ....it's very hard to get a 3 or 4 or 5 year old to enjoy a plate of Q but one of those patties from Mickey D's thier thrilled. Chow Jim

                        While that may be true, I know of few 3, 4, or 5 year olds that would make any intelligent choice if it were up solely to them. While it might be the parents responsibility to teach about good food choices, that would prove impossible at a fair
                         
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                          Dr of BBQ

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                          RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sun, 08/20/06 6:45 PM (permalink)
                          I know of few 3, 4, or 5 year olds that would make any intelligent choice.

                          Boy I can't agree more and the parents should take the responsibility to teach about good food. I dated a lady for several years and finally got tired of her son ordering hamburgers when we went to good restaurants. So I ordered a steak for him and he was going to throw a fit and I said eat it or not that’s all your getting. He ate it and loved it. I got him started on lobster, filet mignon, smoked salmon, escargot, and oysters on the half shell, this kid never did find a really good (and expensive food) he didn’t like. He also drank very good wines at home with dinner and wanted to do the same out. LOL So it didn’t take long for me to realize I had created a monster. If we were going out to eat he always wanted to go to the really high dollar restaurants and get steak or lobster. His mother and I used to laugh about it and tell him he’d better graduate from college and get a very good job if he wanted to eat in a five star restaurant every night.
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                            HollyDolly

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                            RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Mon, 08/21/06 12:50 PM (permalink)
                            We kids ate anything and everything,except liver and maybe a couple of other things.
                            Our parents didn't baby us and tried to on birthdays make us special dinners or take us out to eat.So we all love steak,shrimp,lobster,good bbq,sushi,etc.
                            At the Texas Folklife Festival I believe all the vendors are locals from various churches and orginazations,just like at Night In Old San Antonio during Fiesta here in the spring time.
                            I like the variety and different foods you can get from these people cause I can go to a fast food place anytime.
                            Dr.of BBQ,what's the Cornerstone Festival?I ask cause in San Antonio they have Cornerstone Church is why I ask.
                             
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                              RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Mon, 08/21/06 1:13 PM (permalink)
                              I just spent 2 days a the granddaddy of state fairs, the Iowa State Fair.

                              I don't recall any fast food franchises there. My observations:
                              It is my responsibility & pleasure to seek out the real Roadfood at a fair. I gravitate to any food stand which is sponsored by Food Producers. I MUST have a pork chop on a stick (Iowa Pork Producers). This year I tried out the double-double lamb burger at the Iowa Sheep Producers booth.

                              Church groups are my second choice for food. Kindly little old ladies wait on me, the food is delicious, AND is usually cheaper the regular food stands.

                              I look for food booths which specialize in unique foods from well-known food specialists or communities. I ate bologna on a stick from Pella (Dutch country) and ice cream from Blue Bunny and Andersen Ericksen.

                              Look for samples. The Iowa State Fair features a number of Iowa companies which hand out their products. I tasted a fantastic Peach Mango Habanero Jam from Kramer's Specialty Foods from Camanche, IA.

                              Before I decide on a particular food item, I spend a few minutes watching the staff prepare the food. Iowa is known for pork loin sandwiches but I will not eat one at the fair. Mass-produced & frozen as far as I could tell.

                              Annpeeples, did you have a cream puff at the Wisconsin State Fair?
                               
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                                RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Mon, 08/21/06 1:39 PM (permalink)
                                I went to the Ohio State fair a couple of weeks ago and there were not many chain vendors there but I did notice a Subway stand that was doing a pretty brisk business. Myself, I went with some ribs and an "Other" burger from the pork stand. We also tried the deep fried cookie dough which was not bad.
                                 
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                                  MilwFoodlovers

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                                  RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Mon, 08/21/06 1:40 PM (permalink)
                                  quote:
                                  Originally posted by blizzardstormus

                                  .... I ate bologna on a stick........

                                  mmmmm, Bologna on a Stick, mmmmmm. What a concept. Do you have any pictures?
                                   
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                                    RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Mon, 08/21/06 2:42 PM (permalink)
                                    I should think a tick on bologna would be easier to carry around at any rate.
                                     
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                                      Dr of BBQ

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                                      RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Mon, 08/21/06 5:14 PM (permalink)
                                      HollyDolly asked what's the Cornerstone Festival?
                                      Holly it started as a strictly religious music festival but over the last 15 years has included all most all of the music young people like, with the exception of those songs with suggestive lyrics. It became a gathering place for record labels to listen to and view new young artist at some point. This year’s event had 250 bands many of which weren't on the big stage so they brought or rented tents 20 x 40 and set up somewhere on the 650 acre site and played 3 shows or more each day. Big signs on the entrance read No Booze-No Drugs. They had 20,000 young people that camped on site and of course ate vendor’s food or cooked in the camping area. The web site is www.cornerstonefestival.com. It's as they call it a week of challenging music, seminars, and art. Many prayer tents, locations for meditation, the arts, Volleyball Tournaments, Basketball Tournaments, Swimming, Fishing, 5K Race, Soccer Tournaments, Midway Amusements, Skate park Contests put on by the Skateboard Ministry. It’s all about religion but not one specific religion. As the head of Cornerstone put it to me Jesus is here if you find him that's great. Truly an amazing event, bands played from 8:00 AM until 3:00 AM daily, no fights no problems, no drugs, and no booze, and I never saw any security. I was totally blown away by the great behavior of those in attendance. I was the only new vendor in 13 years and I will go back next year. Cornerstone Church could be a part of the Cornerstone Church Ministry I don't know. But this event renewed my faith in young people.
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                                        HollyDolly

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                                        RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Tue, 08/22/06 8:45 AM (permalink)
                                        Yes,Cornorstone Church is part of Cornerstone Church Ministries as far as I know,thanks.
                                         
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                                          ann peeples

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                                          RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Tue, 08/22/06 9:44 AM (permalink)
                                          Blizzradstormus-sorry, no cream puff for me at the WIsconsin fair.I didnt want to wait a half hour!
                                           
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                                            RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Tue, 08/22/06 12:31 PM (permalink)
                                            quote:
                                            Originally posted by MilwFoodlovers

                                            quote:
                                            Originally posted by blizzardstormus

                                            .... I ate bologna on a stick........

                                            mmmmm, Bologna on a tick, mmmmmm. What a concept. Do you have any pictures?

                                            Bologna on a TICK?..
                                            Now, that is a picture I wanna see.......


                                             
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                                              texgrill

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                                              RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Tue, 08/22/06 9:24 PM (permalink)
                                              lol
                                               
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                                                RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Wed, 08/23/06 12:25 AM (permalink)
                                                I am going to do my first multi-day event at a major festival August 25 and 26. I am doing the smoked pork loin you taught me Jack, as well as my giant brats spicy links, and beef dogs. I figure I will have one hot loin at all times ready to slice facing towards the crowd to get the attention. I will let everyone know how it went. Big B
                                                 
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                                                  RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Sun, 08/27/06 12:34 AM (permalink)
                                                  My van broke down (for good) the day before the festival so we had to rent a truck to get there, plus the expense of a hitch. We didn't actually know the car was broken for good until that morning, so we got a really late start. We finally got set up, then the rain came and the first evening was cancelled. Almost no sales. The next day was nice, but not nice enough for the shaved ice to sell much. We rocked on everything else 'til it was over at 6pm. 250 giant brats, 300 dogs, 100 Polish and 80 pork sands--BBQ doc, thanks again-- people LOVED the pork sands, but giving samples and having the loin out for the crowds to see was critical. Overall dissappointing, but the weather can't be helped. It was fun to see the faces of the other vendors when I left with my rented pickup truck with just a hot dog cart. lol. Some of these people had really elaborate set-ups and lots of trailers, and huge smokers. And lots of people helping(and getting paid).
                                                   
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                                                    RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Mon, 08/28/06 4:35 AM (permalink)
                                                    quote:
                                                    Originally posted by EddyBees Dogs

                                                    My van broke down (for good) the day before the festival so we had to rent a truck to get there, plus the expense of a hitch. We didn't actually know the car was broken for good until that morning, so we got a really late start. We finally got set up, then the rain came and the first evening was cancelled. Almost no sales. The next day was nice, but not nice enough for the shaved ice to sell much. We rocked on everything else 'til it was over at 6pm. 250 giant brats, 300 dogs, 100 Polish and 80 pork sands--BBQ doc, thanks again-- people LOVED the pork sands, but giving samples and having the loin out for the crowds to see was critical. Overall dissappointing, but the weather can't be helped. It was fun to see the faces of the other vendors when I left with my rented pickup truck with just a hot dog cart. lol. Some of these people had really elaborate set-ups and lots of trailers, and huge smokers. And lots of people helping(and getting paid).

                                                    Good for you...
                                                    Too bad about the weather though...
                                                    But it seems in spite of the weather, you did alright..
                                                    Good luck in your further ventures..
                                                    We will love to see more of them here on Roadfood.
                                                     
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                                                      EddyBees Dogs

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                                                      RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Tue, 08/29/06 3:14 AM (permalink)
                                                      OK. This weekend I have a one evening fundraiser gig with a car show, kids climbing wall, and a light show. They expect 500 ppl or more and I am the only vendor for all food, all drinks, and shaved ice. I only need one other person to help me! It is close to home, too!
                                                       
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                                                        RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Tue, 08/29/06 3:58 AM (permalink)
                                                        quote:
                                                        Originally posted by EddyBees Dogs

                                                        OK. This weekend I have a one evening fundraiser gig with a car show, kids climbing wall, and a light show. They expect 500 ppl or more and I am the only vendor for all food, all drinks, and shaved ice. I only need one other person to help me! It is close to home, too!

                                                        Pxwings...
                                                        He needs help!
                                                        What are you doing this weekend?
                                                        I have a good friend in Westminster, but I doubt he wants to do any type of manual labor.
                                                        He would rather drink Long Islands and sit on his deck ......
                                                        His wife is outta town, and he is slacking off until she gets home.
                                                         
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                                                          RE: why go to a fair or festival and eat fast food Tue, 08/29/06 8:54 PM (permalink)
                                                          quote:
                                                          Originally posted by roossy90

                                                          He would rather drink Long Islands and sit on his deck ......

                                                          He ain't the only one....
                                                           
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